Gore Digs Up Discredited 'Overpopulation' Theory

[pepper112765]

Jun 23, 2011 9:30:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I was wondering how long it would be before some freak decided we need to regulate babies..

Like China, where the girls are disproportionately aborted and abandoned to be adopted by a fair number of Americans because boys are more favored? No different than those that believe that people shouldn't have babies unless they can support them.

[pepper112765]

Jun 23, 2011 11:42:40 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

'You have to have ubiquitous availability of fertility management so women can choose how many children to have, the spacing of the children.'

Isn't fertility management what has given us such wonderful newsworthy people as The Octomom?

Yup and that doctor lost his license because of it.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 23, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

Jun 23, 2011 9:30:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I was wondering how long it would be before some freak decided we need to regulate babies..

Like China, where the girls are disproportionately aborted and abandoned to be adopted by a fair number of Americans because boys are more favored? No different than those that believe that people shouldn't have babies unless they can support them.

I am personally privileged to know a bit about those adoptions..once when I lived in Houston, but over the past few years much closer here in Florida..

A neighbor of mine has two Grand Daughters..the daughter and the Son in law did such a adoption, and these two little girls, what a pleasure, so bright, so Americanized., what a blessing...the ones in Houston were a fleeting one, the ones here much more then fleeting and to see how they are growing up..remarkable.

As far as the culture of the Chinese toward the female child, to just cavalierly claim no thought given to the abandonment of the children, putting up for adoption, it is the culture, males important to take care of the parents when they age, and there are still hundreds of millions peasants in the country side and with the limits on being able to have children, I believe in the country side they are allowed more then one, two, it still is something that they are not getting away from.

A billion and a half population, about 10 % arable land..there are problems the Chinese face that we have no clue on, and for them to allow un supervised families size, possible they fell, the ones who are in charge, there is little else they can do in this regard..just to criticize and suggest they are barbarians , a country that so many of the things of today started, when we , Westerners, were still living in filth and dirt..a bit much.

Not our way of doing things, yet we have 300 million here, and are having problems now, to have a billion and a half...who really knows and we have much more then 10 % arable land to feed our people ...

[pepper112765]

I know a bit about them also, I am familiar with a few families that adopted from China, which is a very expensive endeavor. I was just commenting on the ridiculous birth panel statement. Having females armed with knowledge most importantly and resources if needed is not what I would consider a birth panel. Sensationalism at its best.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 23, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

I know a bit about them also, I am familiar with a few families that adopted from China, which is a very expensive endeavor. I was just commenting on the ridiculous birth panel statement. Having females armed with knowledge most importantly and resources if needed is not what I would consider a birth panel. Sensationalism at its best.

Al Gore digs of Ehrlic-onian 'overpopulation' folklore, he still clings to a doctrine of man made global warming (Countdown to Al Gore's end of the world is 4 years, 7 months, 3 days and change, btw) apocolypse and you say I'm sensationalizing it by bringing up birth panels? These are extremists. You can't put ANYTHING past them.

At the very LEAST they are proposing policy (and spending...of course) based upon a bullshit tale of doom and gloom that ain't happening, ain't ever gonna happen, and has already caused billions in malinvestment, not to mention given us a president who wants to stall ALL energy production because he, too, is clinging to this nutjob's fairy tales of anthropogenic global warming and 'peak oil' (to say nothing of socialism).

Sensationalism, indeed!

[deziloooooo]

Jun 23, 2011 16:24:31 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 23, 2011 15:59:51 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

I know a bit about them also, I am familiar with a few families that adopted from China, which is a very expensive endeavor. I was just commenting on the ridiculous birth panel statement. Having females armed with knowledge most importantly and resources if needed is not what I would consider a birth panel. Sensationalism at its best.

Al Gore digs of Ehrlic-onian 'overpopulation' folklore, he still clings to a doctrine of man made global warming (Countdown to Al Gore's end of the world is 4 years, 7 months, 3 days and change, btw) apocolypse and you say I'm sensationalizing it by bringing up birth panels? These are extremists. You can't put ANYTHING past them.

At the very LEAST they are proposing policy (and spending...of course) based upon a bullshit tale of doom and gloom that ain't happening, ain't ever gonna happen, and has already caused billions in malinvestment, not to mention given us a president who wants to stall ALL energy production because he, too, is clinging to this nutjob's fairy tales of anthropogenic global warming and 'peak oil' (to say nothing of socialism).

Sensationalism, indeed!

PalmBeach if you would only put in a few "IMHO, I believe, In my opinon"..I wouldn't bother answering your posts which would make you happy I am sure but till then, for me, to think that

"palmbeachpaul "

Is the definitive answer , expert on global warming, and all the fears and thoughts on that, just not happening, you do not have the credentials, the expertise or the knowledge to make such statements so I feel I have to point that out to other readers here who just might be thinking..'Wow, Palm Beach said it , so it must be so "..because he said it, I would suggest possible we are in worse doo doo then if he had said nothing at all on the problem..naturally that is IMHO.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I didn't say anything about global warming. How should I pretend to understand the climate anymore than Al Gore does? I just choose my sources more carefully.

[Deleted]

Gore is trying to become viewed as a statesman. He talks the talk but can't walk the walk. Ex: Saving the environment. To hear him talk he's an expert. Yet he pays $30,000 in electric bills per year. Gore's problem is that he's never understood that even his own party doesn't like him enough to elect him president.

[holyofholes]

ROFL, there were no charges filed because there was absolutely no evidence that Gore did anything wrong. Anyone can accuse, it means nothing.

As for overpopulation, there's a lot of science out there. Yes, the earth is totally overpopulated. Yes, it causes grave harm to countries. Yes, India and China understand this, and are taking steps to counter it. No, the USA doesn't understand it, yet.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 23, 2011 18:12:08 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Gore is trying to become viewed as a statesman. He talks the talk but can't walk the walk. Ex: Saving the environment. To hear him talk he's an expert. Yet he pays $30,000 in electric bills per year. Gore's problem is that he's never understood that even his own party doesn't like him enough to elect him president.

ahhh but actually who knows how that election really came out..hanging chads , Republican Supreme court and because of that little unknown , we have spent almost a trillion dollars of our treasury , so many young Americans dead and maimed..as well as those from the other side, tremendous infrastructure damage done to a country and now as we finally leave the place of our folly, , a populace who really wish we had never made the attempt..well not all were unhappy, I believe in retrospect the Israeli's were really glad to have that one done away with, but to be honest, was that occurrence in Our best interests.

I wonder if even ed feels that price was worth it...oh yeah, I would have taken Gore even with his, in your mind over enthusiastic feelings of the environment , for what we received for eight years, in a minute..

To feel differently then the above, only those who's ideas go no farther beyond reality then their idea of anything beyond a warped feelings of how the politics of the land should be, in their minds it has to be only one way other wise it is a disaster, and for those few, the good thing is that there really are so few of them so they don't count in the scheme of things any more then a misquito bite on a elephants buttm would mean anything to the elephant who is bitten, just a non occurence, doesn't register.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Overpopulation and global warming are discredited? Only in Pub Fantasyland...

[hello fromWarsaw]

"To hear him talk he's an expert. Yet he pays $30,000 in electric bills per year. "

Classic Pub non sequitur...

[formerexpat]

As for overpopulation, there's a lot of science out there. Yes, the earth is totally overpopulated. Yes, it causes grave harm to countries. Yes, India and China understand this, and are taking steps to counter it. No, the USA doesn't understand it, yet.

From which century are you taking your science from? The original theory of over population was popularized in the late 1700's. It was popularized again by a Stanford professor in the late 60s, who predicted 1/5 of the population would be destroyed by the late 70's and cause total chaos in the world.

This has been perpetuated over and over for the past 40 years and has conveniently helped the UN a lot and created many needless scandals [Oil for food, anyone?]. And what do you end up getting? The UNPFA and their human rights abuses via population controls.

How is this rampant stupidity and prediction any different than the man predicting Jesus would come in the 90's and the world was going to end in May of this year?

There are problems with certain cities being overpopulated but most of the planet is uninhabited. There are still plenty of places for man to migrate and settle.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Free birth control!! Upstate has the same pop. as 1950...you're welcome to your BS strip malls, etc...humbug.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Places are uninhabited for a reason ;D

[formerexpat]

Places are uninhabited for a reason

So there is no where else for man to migrate? Surely you don't want to make that assertion.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 23, 2011 22:02:17 GMT -5 formerexpat said:

As for overpopulation, there's a lot of science out there. Yes, the earth is totally overpopulated. Yes, it causes grave harm to countries. Yes, India and China understand this, and are taking steps to counter it. No, the USA doesn't understand it, yet.

From which century are you taking your science from? The original theory of over population was popularized in the late 1700's. It was popularized again by a Stanford professor in the late 60s, who predicted 1/5 of the population would be destroyed by the late 70's and cause total chaos in the world.

This has been perpetuated over and over for the past 40 years and has conveniently helped the UN a lot and created many needless scandals [Oil for food, anyone?]. And what do you end up getting? The UNPFA and their human rights abuses via population controls.

How is this rampant stupidity and prediction any different than the man predicting Jesus would come in the 90's and the world was going to end in May of this year?

There are problems with certain cities being overpopulated but most of the planet is uninhabited. There are still plenty of places for man to migrate and settle.

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Population USA 1950 was 150 million, today over 300 million, thats 60 years..that means twice as many people , need to be employed, schooled, need to be housed, clothed, travel on roads, airoplanes, medical help, need for fresh good water, twice as many contributing to the trash, though we do recycle in places now, but still..the next 60 years...600 million ?? ok, we control ourselves, 500 million.....

You all think it's going to be pretty..??

Migrate?? Where?? Canada?? Are you sure they'll let us in..though with Global warming, possible some what more reasonable weather...

[hello fromWarsaw]

So where is this great empty land?

[hello fromWarsaw]

I really think everywhere has plenty of people. We're running out of food.

[Deleted]

I wonder if even ed feels that price was worth it...oh yeah, I would have taken Gore even with his, in your mind over enthusiastic feelings of the environment ,

deziloooooo, I don't believe he has "enthusiastic feelings about the environment". He was either playing that card to seem smart & get elected or he is a nut. I think President Bush was a better President than he could have ever been BTW (& I wasn't a Bush fan). As for saving all those lives I would point out that what you say running for office is not usually what you do once in office. Case in point is Bomb-en Obama. Spend us into the poor house, plus bombing someone & spending 500 million doing it (although new estimates say that it could be doublt that).

[hello fromWarsaw]

;D

[formerexpat]

Population USA 1950 was 150 million, today over 300 million, thats 60 years..that means twice as many people , need to be employed, schooled, need to be housed, clothed, travel on roads, airoplanes, medical help, need for fresh good water, twice as many contributing to the trash, though we do recycle in places now, but still..the next 60 years...600 million ?? ok, we control ourselves, 500 million.....

The problem with linear math. People in the US are not having enough children for population to increase [i.e. 2.2 children per couple].

The expected increase in population for the US is about 100m for the next 40 years; more than half due to Hispanic growth, primarily through immigration.

The world too is coming to the point where it will peak and not have enough children to increase the population...it's expected to top out at around 9bn people.

Europe is already producing people at less than the 2.2 necessary to increase population - i.e. Europe's population would decrease if not for an influx of immigration.

China, in their infinite wisdom of "keeping only boys" now realize that you kind of need women to keep humanity going. They're problems will develop over the next several decades.

It's kind of simple math if you step back for a moment and look at it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Math? What's that? We need FEAR! PANIC!! Otherwise, how will we be persuaded to give control over our lives to our betters on the fringe left?

[ameiko]

You can't believe anything that Gore says if only to see how his words on global warming contrast with his actions to pollute the environment: private jets, running town cars waiting for him on the tarmac, a home that consumes 20 times more energy than the average one.

Of course, that's peanuts compared to his involvement with companies that would make billions on the cap and trade legislation that he champons. How he has not been investigated continues to astound me.

Regarding his comments on giving women full control of their fertility, why not also campaign for similar things for men? RISUG has proved successful in India yet it still does not exist here. Given how many "oops, I must have not taken my pill, tee hee" happen, I am sure there would be large market among men for it.

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 11:41:28 GMT -5 @bubblyandblue said:

Rich -sure - Rich in spirit and humor - and that money thing I don't mind. Rich in money and nothing else - I'd choose the road over welfare. I don't think most choose welfare - it's just that pesky business of survival thing.

Makes you wonder what happened before welfare came around in the 1970's- they must have just been really good at cleaning up those bodies of the millions of starving people.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 24, 2011 0:59:05 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jun 23, 2011 11:41:28 GMT -5 @bubblyandblue said:

Rich -sure - Rich in spirit and humor - and that money thing I don't mind. Rich in money and nothing else - I'd choose the road over welfare. I don't think most choose welfare - it's just that pesky business of survival thing.

Makes you wonder what happened before welfare came around in the 1970's- they must have just been really good at cleaning up those bodies of the millions of starving people.

Your grandparents never took you out to the cliffs where they used to just throw old people over before Medicare in the mid 1960's?

My grandparents never talked about it. Must have been too traumatizing.

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 12:57:58 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Women having birth control is fascism now....OP worthy of the Enquirer. If brother Jeb and the worst Supreme Court ever hadn't stolen the 2000 election, NONE of the Bush disaster would have happened. Take a policy wonk like Clinton, Gore, and Obama over bought off morons like Booosh and Raygun EVERY TIME.
I guess greedy pubs and Foxbots are smarter than science, economists, and every other party in the modern world now. Told ya so, always have and always will. The Enquirer now- LOL!! ;D

Ah, yes because the 9/11 hijackers wouldn't have attacked us under Gore. Oh wait, they attacked us under Clinton and Obama. Scratch that.

Well I guess we can at least be glad that Clinton balanced the budget... oh wait he didn't. That was due to counting the SS surpluses and the GOP Congress forcing him to not engage in his liberal nonsense like Hillarycare. Also the ultimately unsustainable tech boom that Bill had ZERO to do with.

Well at least we can squarely blame the Great Recession on Bush since he was the one who championed the Community Reinvestment Act (wait, that was Carter), passed it again with more punitive actions (wait, tht was Clinton), and helped organized thugs to picket banks to scare them (wait, that was Obama), and then claimed that Fannie and Freddie Mac were sound and did not need to be investigate (wait, that was Barney Frank).

Heck, well it had to be the GOP, right? Since the Great Recession started under a GOP Congress (wait, now it was under a Democrat Congress and in fact the budget deficit dropped to 160 billion, 1/10 of Obama's deficit, the last time the GOP had both Congress and the white house) and only the Fox News station overhyped the downturn as the worst economy since the Great Depression just as they did when Bush I went against Clinton (wait, Fox New wasn't even around in 1992).

Yep, so CLEARLY it's the fault of Bush, the GOP, and those evil conservatives! Thank God for Clinton, Gore, and may Allah bless his name Obama!

Warsaw, you really make this all too easy.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 24, 2011 1:07:43 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jun 23, 2011 12:57:58 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Women having birth control is fascism now....OP worthy of the Enquirer. If brother Jeb and the worst Supreme Court ever hadn't stolen the 2000 election, NONE of the Bush disaster would have happened. Take a policy wonk like Clinton, Gore, and Obama over bought off morons like Booosh and Raygun EVERY TIME.
I guess greedy pubs and Foxbots are smarter than science, economists, and every other party in the modern world now. Told ya so, always have and always will. The Enquirer now- LOL!! ;D

Ah, yes because the 9/11 hijackers wouldn't have attacked us under Gore. Oh wait, they attacked us under Clinton and Obama. Scratch that.

Well I guess we can at least be glad that Clinton balanced the budget... oh wait he didn't. That was due to counting the SS surpluses and the GOP Congress forcing him to not engage in his liberal nonsense like Hillarycare. Also the ultimately unsustainable tech boom that Bill had ZERO to do with.

Well at least we can squarely blame the Great Recession on Bush since he was the one who championed the Community Reinvestment Act (wait, that was Carter), passed it again with more punitive actions (wait, tht was Clinton), and helped organized thugs to picket banks to scare them (wait, that was Obama), and then claimed that Fannie and Freddie Mac were sound and did not need to be investigate (wait, that was Barney Frank).

Heck, well it had to be the GOP, right? Since the Great Recession started under a GOP Congress (wait, now it was under a Democrat Congress and in fact the budget deficit dropped to 160 billion, 1/10 of Obama's deficit, the last time the GOP had both Congress and the white house) and only the Fox News station overhyped the downturn as the worst economy since the Great Depression just as they did when Bush I went against Clinton (wait, Fox New wasn't even around in 1992).

Yep, so CLEARLY it's the fault of Bush, the GOP, and those evil conservatives! Thank God for Clinton, Gore, and may Allah bless his name Obama!

Warsaw, you really make this all too easy.

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 15:03:34 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

Jun 23, 2011 9:30:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I was wondering how long it would be before some freak decided we need to regulate babies..

Like China, where the girls are disproportionately aborted and abandoned to be adopted by a fair number of Americans because boys are more favored? No different than those that believe that people shouldn't have babies unless they can support them.

Except that we are not demanding legislation to punish people who have kids they can not support. We are simply giving advice and stating that WE do not want to pay for THEIR kids!

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 20:03:03 GMT -5 @holyofholes said:

ROFL, there were no charges filed because there was absolutely no evidence that Gore did anything wrong. Anyone can accuse, it means nothing.

As for overpopulation, there's a lot of science out there. Yes, the earth is totally overpopulated. Yes, it causes grave harm to countries. Yes, India and China understand this, and are taking steps to counter it. No, the USA doesn't understand it, yet.

America is not overpopulated except for perhaps some of the coastal cities. We still have plenty of room in the interior if we chose. Not saying we should, just that we could grow more. By contrast, India and China have far greater population density.

America definitely has a birth rate issue- the native population is not meeting the 2.1 replacement rate. Instead, we are trying to destroy our borders to import people who:

1. by their nature are criminals because they violate our laws by invading
2. refuse to assimilate
3. are often openly hostile towards the native populace. African Americans have been especially targeted by incoming Latinos in a manner that is almost genocidal in some neighborhoods but the media refuses to report it.

This is not good for a nation. A nation needs common values, especially if it lacks a common heritgage. Too many people define them as a nationality first and American second, especially as witnessed by some (although certainly not all) Latinos who demand amnesty for criminal invaders, violate other's Constitutional rights of free speech at immigration debates, and make absurd statements like: "illegal aliens aren't criminals!"

Places that are overly populated are places outside of America, like Africa which continues to grow as Western aid pours in which only creates a vast, welfare like continent that not only can not take care of itself but worsens the problems as new dependents are bred. Focus THERE and you would wipe out half of the world's overpopulation issues.