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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 9, 2011 21:52:16 GMT -5
I never said that. I said they are trying to shut us up, and we have a new site. I'm sorry I disagree with you. Do I think they are going to say we are doomed oh no? Absolutely not. MSN will still be around, but they made a mistake. Not really sure where your going with your statment, but if your suggesting I think MSN will close it's doors cause of a messageboard then you have seriously misjudged my comment.
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Post by TD2K on Jan 9, 2011 21:55:00 GMT -5
Whatever Midwest
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 9, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
What's with the smartass remark? Seriously, what are you trying to say?
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Post by Sammy on Jan 9, 2011 22:16:54 GMT -5
BGA444-is posting on MSN...that MT is is NOT closing down???
Fine and BGA444 will be posting to air in about another week. The boards are gone, MSN is revamping the Money page and decided to pass on doing the same to the boards. Yes, it is a shame, but such as life.
Many of us have been around for a long time and moved from network to network and survived. If posters chose to adapt they will be ok. Those who will be hurt are the spammers and trolls who will find it very hard to get past the Refugee managers.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 9, 2011 22:21:00 GMT -5
"but they made a mistake" -------------------------------------- I doubt they made a mistake, they made a business decision...the costs of maintaining the site, what they see the future will be , which is probably face book and that type of communication in the future..made their site out dated, for them.
Looks like they are "bundling with others to have a different way , there feeling way of the future. They support so many of these sites , I haven't explore more then a tip of them myself , they are all over the place, all being supported, it's like a octopus. I wonder if they know where all the tentacles are..
I came over to Money from a game site that was very busy and also very desruptive..they finally had had enough..banned for life and a day almost anyone who sneezed the wrong way..now today it is almost a dead site with few new posters there... that' closing too.
I don't think they care one way or another about a site like this....some here will go there too and as far as future growth ...they are probably correct...for a company of that size and who they are...that's the way to go.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jan 9, 2011 22:23:57 GMT -5
MicroSoft [MSN] has, or thinks it has bigger fish to fry. It's a business decision and shouldn't be taken personally. From what I've see of this board it seems to have greater potential than the old boards if only because it isn't hamstrung by commercial considerations [yet]. Rather than rehashing old news [MSN Money Boards closing], it would seem more productive to promote this board. The thing to remember is that whether this board is successful or not is not of concern to the honchos at MicroSoft. It is a concern of those who'd like to have a well moderated board on which to have productive [or at least enjoyable] discussions. Finding a way [or ways] to promote this board is as important as participating and helping as much as possible in creating a hospitable atmosphere in which a community can grow is essential. The quality of this board and its success are up to the posters so it's helpful to participate pleasantly and to not encourage disruptive behavior as well as to promote the board so that those who may be interested will be aware of its existence.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 9, 2011 22:31:59 GMT -5
I personally don't think it was solely business related. You look at the cost of one of these boards and it's pennies to them. One of the biggest monopolies in the world can't run a message board forum when a bunch of former posters have created this site and have been able to do it on their own? That makes no sense, crunching the numbers doesn't add up. HTML documents don't take up much storage space, nor do the servers to run a message board forum. Overall I just don't buy into it being a money issue whatsoever.
I personally believe it was content related and certain posters. MSN news was very biased in it's money topics, MSN boards showed a different perspective outside the mainstream media's talking points and market information they presented. I think it's more a matter of control media content, than a money issue.
Also considering some of the lies about posts not being able to be brought back and users that talked about outside the mainstream media's money talk were banned often, and or deleted threads. Duffgate is one example, years of work destroyed by a click of a button. They told us they could do nothing. Magically it reappeared days later after we made enough noise. Companies do backups, and they were not being truthful in this matter telling us that a major corporation doesn't do backups of it's webpages is like saying Walmart doesn't have measures in place to detect theft. I just don't buy it.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 9, 2011 22:38:10 GMT -5
My biggest suggestion was to list these boards searchable in google. Not only google USA but google in other languages. I think the international outlook on markets could be a huge benefit to us and them. That would be my first priority if I was in charge of boards. Get them listed, and searchable on the search engines. As more people find boards, you can do some small Internet advertising on some other business related or market related sites. Many alternative news sites would welcome small ads like we have here to a message boards site.
One thing I've personally noticed is there are not many business related boards out there, and not to this degree of information that the old MSN site had. There are a few, but not many. This site has huge potential IMO.
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Post by Sammy on Jan 9, 2011 22:51:27 GMT -5
I personally believe it was content related and certain posters. MSN news was very biased in it's money topics, MSN boards showed a different perspective outside the mainstream media's talking points and market information they presented. I think it's more a matter of control media content, than a money issue. I hate to break this news to you, Mid, but the boards are but a thimble full of data in the MSN world. If you think that the "content and certain posters" hold that much sway then you are sadly mistaken. Actually it's laughable.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 9, 2011 23:15:01 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you baby cakes, but there is a reason to post in EE, cause these concepts of media control and 3 corporations controling the content you receive is too far beyond what we talk about over at MT. Best stick with what you do best, and come up with a new cupcake reciepe or something like that, and leave the big topics to us.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 10, 2011 3:31:10 GMT -5
LOL I have a feeling I know what she wants to do with those cupcakes.
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Post by TrixAre4Kids on Jan 10, 2011 4:47:09 GMT -5
I'd pay $$$ to watch that!
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Post by fvbridges on Jan 10, 2011 10:16:53 GMT -5
Now...now...children!!! No need to get feisty. lol
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 10, 2011 10:21:39 GMT -5
Microsoft [MSN] has, or thinks it has bigger fish to fry. It's a business decision and shouldn't be taken personally. From what I've see of this board it seems to have greater potential than the old boards if only because it isn't hamstrung by commercial considerations [yet]. Rather than rehashing old news [MSN Money Boards closing], it would seem more productive to promote this board. The thing to remember is that whether this board is successful or not is not of concern to the honchos at Microsoft. It is a concern of those who'd like to have a well moderated board on which to have productive [or at least enjoyable] discussions. Finding a way [or ways] to promote this board is as important as participating and helping as much as possible in creating a hospitable atmosphere in which a community can grow is essential. The quality of this board and its success are up to the posters so it's helpful to participate pleasantly and to not encourage disruptive behavior as well as to promote the board so that those who may be interested will be aware of its existence. I believe you hit the nail on the head, and your suggestion for the success of this zone is also right on . As far as dissing MSN as to the mistake they are doing , they know exactly what they are doing. it will be successful I am sure. As successful as they hope? Who knows but thats business isn't' it. For those who question all of that, I would listen to Safe, he was a moderator so was in on things that the average poster doesn't have a clue about, his explanations makes sense..especially for those interested in seeing this new venture here succeed. To battle about MSN, who isn't even paying attention over here as if we exist to them, which we don't..why bother , why waste time..
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Post by commentator on Jan 10, 2011 13:14:24 GMT -5
MicroSoft [MSN] has, or thinks it has bigger fish to fry. ... The thing to remember is that whether this board is successful or not is not of concern to the honchos at MicroSoft. It is a concern of those who'd like to have a well moderated board on which to have productive [or at least enjoyable] discussions. Finding a way [or ways] to promote this board is as important as participating and helping as much as possible in creating a hospitable atmosphere in which a community can grow is essential. The quality of this board and its success are up to the posters so it's helpful to participate pleasantly and to not encourage disruptive behavior as well as to promote the board so that those who may be interested will be aware of its existence. Safe, care to explain how agreeing (as you did) that critics of Bush II are terrorist loving traitors reconciles with your claim that you currently desire posters who "participate pleasantly"? Or is just moderates and left wingers who are supposed to be pleasant? Just asking.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 10, 2011 17:26:17 GMT -5
MicroSoft [MSN] has, or thinks it has bigger fish to fry. ... The thing to remember is that whether this board is successful or not is not of concern to the honchos at MicroSoft. It is a concern of those who'd like to have a well moderated board on which to have productive [or at least enjoyable] discussions. Finding a way [or ways] to promote this board is as important as participating and helping as much as possible in creating a hospitable atmosphere in which a community can grow is essential. The quality of this board and its success are up to the posters so it's helpful to participate pleasantly and to not encourage disruptive behavior as well as to promote the board so that those who may be interested will be aware of its existence. Safe, care to explain how agreeing (as you did) that critics of Bush II are terrorist loving traitors reconciles with your claim that you currently desire posters who "participate pleasantly"? Or is just moderates and left wingers who are supposed to be pleasant? Just asking. Just think that what ever was at the moment was a long ago in a place that will be shortly gone from memories as well as gone for good. To rehash out of context..for what reason. As one who experienced and questioned at one time , found the one being asked a question, posting with full vigor in their beliefs and thoughts but posting in a intelligent, well thought out manner explaining and defending to the point at times, almost agreeing, a few times agreeing and at other times on the ropes with come backs..one can't ask for more then that , so am suggesting , with that in mind..just move on and enjoy the new , improved..my opinion of course.
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Post by commentator on Jan 10, 2011 17:44:39 GMT -5
Sorry, dez, but I don't forgive or forget so easily.
I do wonder what, if anything, Safeharbor will say about his rhetoric and the rhetoric of those he made a point of explicitly agreeing with.
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Post by Sammy on Jan 10, 2011 19:22:00 GMT -5
I do wonder what, if anything, Safeharbor will say about his rhetoric and the rhetoric of those he made a point of explicitly agreeing with.
Ok, back to Mid. My dear Mid, first of all my hands are no longer tied and I don't have to be nice to posters who make complaining their mission in life. I've already ordered a case of heavy duty aluminum for those 'special' hats. You hint constantly that news is being selectively distributed when in reality there are news outlets you can list from A to Z. The world wide web opened this planet to news feeds unheard of 50 years ago.
Closing the boards has been in the works for a long time. Lobbying did nothing to change the minds of the Money team. You find out quickly just how insignificant message boards are when you think that what you are a part of is important and find that some don't even know the boards exist.
But, I think with hard work and the continued contributions of good posters this community can grow. Think of yourself as a pilgrim, an explorer.........
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 10, 2011 20:21:14 GMT -5
I think it's a little more than just that. Many understand that some things are not acceptable to talk about and the mainstream media if very consolidated and controlled from top down. This is a fact. Does real reporting on honest issues come out of mainstream media, sure they do. Do they not report on some topics that would challenge the powers that be, of course they don't. I could give many examples of topics off limits, unreported or underreported. This is just fact. The Internet has opened the door to new media in which those in financial or elitist positions didn't count on, and has been used to expose many issues. You may or may not care, but many do, and it's just that.
As far as message boards, well I think you underestimate them. They may not be as far reaching as a news source, or TV media but they are also not very promoted. I also agree with you that this board could go far, and it's a combined effort for it to get exposure.
Not everyone is going to agree on issues, but I find it naive that many dismiss or ridicule those that bring up topics thinking outside the box just because it's unpopular, or far fetched in their minds eye. It was far fetched years ago to think the earth was round. This was consider so far out there until at a later date it was excepted as fact.
I'll leave you with this to ponder.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 10, 2011 23:06:30 GMT -5
LOL...Isn;t that the truth and not talking just about 'message boards " "when you think that what you are a part of is important and find that some don't even know the boards exist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just for the record "Baby Cakes/ Safeharbor is the same..ok, nice to know..glad to se you over here . ------------------------------------------------ "Sorry, dez, but I don't forgive or forget so easily. Ok, just giving it a shot..none of my business , just a thought on my part.
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Post by z on Jan 11, 2011 10:10:13 GMT -5
Nate, you may find this of interest. MSN is shutting down the Games Zone forum on 1/27. Most of the forum has been dead for a long time anyway and I rarely visit anymore but the 1,000 badges club are the most upset about it. I still play chess and backgammon there against other players sometimes. Hope that doesn't get cut too. I guess they're cutting more than just the Money boards.
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Post by skeeter on Jan 11, 2011 10:36:39 GMT -5
Originally came from the Games Zone myself and it USED to be a lot of fun there until a select few decided to ruin it for everyone, so closing it down completely comes as no surprise to me. Glad the 1,000 Badges Club found another place to go as they are a great group of people.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jan 11, 2011 11:12:27 GMT -5
"Just for the record "Baby Cakes/ Safeharbor is the same..ok, nice to know..glad to se you over here ." No. safeharbor37 is the only name I go by or have gone by since it was assigned to me by FloridaBoy who was a moderator [MSNMoney] at the time [7-8 years ago]. I really don't know who Baby Cakes is, nor do I care. Yours truly, safeharbor37
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Post by frankq on Jan 11, 2011 15:48:10 GMT -5
Mid,
The next time you give a "good riddance" speech, do us all a favor and keep it short.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2011 15:50:48 GMT -5
You're too late, Frank. Mid is banned.
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Post by commentator on Jan 11, 2011 19:01:26 GMT -5
You're too late, Frank. Mid is banned. It would be useful to know what specific action(s) lead to a member being banned. I know that runs counter to the typical moderator preference for not letting members know too much about how the rules are interpreted and applied but I'm still asking.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2011 19:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by commentator on Jan 11, 2011 20:29:52 GMT -5
Frat boys? The last thing I would call anyone associated with these boards is "frat boy." No wonder he was booted.
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Post by TD2K on Jan 11, 2011 22:25:43 GMT -5
The unseen hand of the New World Order reaches out and smacks down another source of the truth.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 12, 2011 1:47:43 GMT -5
This announcement has run its course.
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