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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 10:40:14 GMT -5
I don't... because they are way, way higher...
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 20, 2011 10:46:22 GMT -5
I don't... because they are way, way higher... Actually you don't because the USPS is a monopoly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 10:52:00 GMT -5
I used to price out sending packages, but UPS and FedEx always came in significantly higher (FedEx horribly so...) ... I mail packages USPS ... its a choice...
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 20, 2011 10:58:10 GMT -5
I think there is little question it should be privatized, right now they are semi-private but are so constrained by congress that they can not make any meaningful reforms. Of course if it is privatized, there monopoly on first class mail should be lifted as well.
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Post by verrip1 on Jun 20, 2011 11:15:13 GMT -5
I doubt any business manager worth his salt would accept the third class bulk mailing business.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 20, 2011 11:35:25 GMT -5
I doubt any business manager worth his salt would accept the third class bulk mailing business. I actually thought the USPS made a quite a bit of there money off this mail.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 20, 2011 11:42:31 GMT -5
Why on earth would you use FEDEX/UPS if the cost was so much higher? It's not higher....it's just reality. USPS cost is subsidized by the taxpayer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:46:32 GMT -5
The problem is you live in a LCOL area but Federal pays are nationwide.
True, plus they many times over pay for what the job requires. I don't know how their pay scale ranks in middle & upper management but in entry level workers they pay more than the job would require if a company had hired you to do it. I should also add that my wife works in the system that they went to. That system is much more in line with local business pay scales.
I'm betting (but don't know) that a large part of their problems (money wise) are tied up with the old pay system & workers maybe tied to it (or like auto companies, people that retired under that system).
I did know one other person in the PO system. I remember hearing that her pay was killing the place where she works. Like a lot of liberals here want, she got automatic raises for how long she worked there. Well she started there at 17 year old & last I heard hadn't retired yet (she just couldn't pass up that large hourly wage). Last I heard they could have paid 3 new workers on what they were paying her.
As I said, this was under the old payment system. I know very little about the new system so I won't comment on it.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 20, 2011 11:52:44 GMT -5
There biggest problem is that delivery of mail has declined substantially but they are not allowed to change there model.
There is no compelling reason they should provide home delivery of mail 6 days a week, they should cut out Saturday delivery, or probably even better actually deliver to half the homes on Monday,Wednesday,Friday and the other half Tuesday,Thursday, Saturday, and even less for some remote areas, maybe more for high density areas.
But they are not free to make these types of changes without getting Congressional approval, and somebody might be inconvenienced by getting there mail a day or two latter than usual.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 20, 2011 12:45:11 GMT -5
Not amazing at all. It just shows how some people will go to great lengths to criticize government and will go to great lengths NOT to criticize corporations. When I was going through the posts, I was wondering when the "shoehorn a whine about Obama" would come in.
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Post by ugonow on Jun 21, 2011 8:16:09 GMT -5
Why are people always so concerned about what others get but they don't? If some complain about an exec or CEO getting paid too much,others cry it's none of your business, if you don't like what you get,educate yourself and get a better job instead of begrudging what others get..If someone complains about what a factory worker,PO or store worker gets,why does the same logic not hold true?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 21, 2011 8:23:30 GMT -5
CEO = Private Business, I have the right to NOT do business with a company that I do not approve of.
Governmental Employee = Tax dollars spent to keep someone on the payroll, wasteful spending that cannot be cut with out Governemntal Unions Sueing the Government, more waste of Tax Dollars.
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Post by Waffle on Jun 21, 2011 14:02:26 GMT -5
I personally love that the post office gives away priority mail boxes. But I've often wondered how much money they are wasting by doing that.
And media mail also makes no sense - if I mail a 4 pound package from IN to CA in a priority mail box it's $15.90, but if it's a non-priority mail package sent via "media mail" it only costs $3.64.
When I was a kid my mom mailed everything via "book rate" aka media mail - I don't think she ever knew she wasn't playing by the rules - just knew she was mailing it the cheapest way possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 14:07:56 GMT -5
Fed ex will make you drive to their drop off station... and charge you 5$...
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Post by maui1 on Jun 21, 2011 15:15:38 GMT -5
I pay someone a few dollars a year (through my tax dollars) to drive by my house six days a week (excluding a few holidays) to see if I need their services. If on a given day I do need their services, I put a flag up on the little box I have outside of my house and they stop and take an envelope out of the box I have placed there. They then take it anywhere in the United States I wish for it to go, place it in a box outside of someone else's house. This additional service costs me $.44 per item (granted that cost could go up to $.60 per item). Sounds like a good deal to me.
if you don't look past your nose.........
you pay taxes, and taxes make up the difference that you aren't paying........so the whole picture shows a different story.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 21, 2011 15:45:25 GMT -5
I pay someone a few dollars a year (through my tax dollars) to drive by my house six days a week (excluding a few holidays) to see if I need their services. If on a given day I do need their services, I put a flag up on the little box I have outside of my house and they stop and take an envelope out of the box I have placed there. They then take it anywhere in the United States I wish for it to go, place it in a box outside of someone else's house. This additional service costs me $.44 per item (granted that cost could go up to $.60 per item). Sounds like a good deal to me. (emphasis added from my original post) if you don't look past your nose.........
you pay taxes, and taxes make up the difference that you aren't paying........so the whole picture shows a different story. I acknowledged intially that a part of my tax dollars go towards this service. I acknowledged that there was an additional "user's fee" that I sometimes pay. This is akin to the set up for National Parks. I am happy and proud to pay for maintainance of our system of National Parks. On the rare occasion that I visit one, I am also happy to pay an additional charge for personally enjoying the one I visit. All simply part of being a citizen of the United States, something that I am also proud. I would be happy to see which part of a "whole picture" I am not seeing.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 21, 2011 17:28:07 GMT -5
Next they will want the military to be profitable as well. Give them time- private prisons are 'profitable'. Why is that? In fact, how can any of these 'privitized' companies that operate only on tax dollars be 'profitable'? I have a theory- take what it costs the government to do something, bid less, use less people to do the same job, provide crappier service, pay employees less, reduce employee benefits, split the savings between upper management and shareholders. It's a good scam, this privitization thing. Are they going to privitize the libraries? The parks? Won't they then be bookstores and country clubs?
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 19:46:58 GMT -5
I do not think the analogy is correct. Private militaries cost more, not less. The way privatization works is increase in prices. Costs actually go up a bit under privatization.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 19:48:53 GMT -5
Oh dear I hope no one will start talking to oneself?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 20:25:26 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 20:49:55 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business. It will compete fine in the higher rates as that will still be below UPS/FedEx rates. But people will scream bloody murder.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 21:07:36 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business. It will compete fine in the higher rates as that will still be below UPS/FedEx rates. But people will scream bloody murder. let them scream. nobody is entitled to getting services below cost.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 21:12:58 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmm . . . .
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 21:36:57 GMT -5
It will compete fine in the higher rates as that will still be below UPS/FedEx rates. But people will scream bloody murder. let them scream. nobody is entitled to getting services below cost. Well, on that vein then I would start to have the red states pull their own weight and not perennially reach out to the blue states for handouts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 21:46:54 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmm . . . . what? you disagree? i would be very surprised.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 21, 2011 22:27:16 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business. It will compete fine in the higher rates as that will still be below UPS/FedEx rates. But people will scream bloody murder. Private companies can NOT come in take the business as it is a protected monopoly for first class mail
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:29:34 GMT -5
It will compete fine in the higher rates as that will still be below UPS/FedEx rates. But people will scream bloody murder. Private companies can NOT come in take the business as it is a protected monopoly for first class mail huh? i mail shit all the time using FedEX.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 22, 2011 6:57:51 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business. The USPS needs more than a simple rate increase, Cut working days down by at least 1 and preferably 2, and a slight reduction in workforce (those who are past there 20 year mark, or on the drop program) and you could see an actual self-sustaining government run business, but the Union will have none of that, just bleed out little greenbacks.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 7:42:12 GMT -5
Well, on that vein then I would start to have the red states pull their own weight and not perennially reach out to the blue states for handouts. I thought the left liked welfare?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2011 9:51:54 GMT -5
no, it is time to raise rates. that is what would happen if it were a private business. raise rates until it makes money. if it can still compete at the higher rate, then keep it public. if not, private companies will come in and take the business. The USPS needs more than a simple rate increase, Cut working days down by at least 1 and preferably 2, and a slight reduction in workforce (those who are past there 20 year mark, or on the drop program) and you could see an actual self-sustaining government run business, but the Union will have none of that, just bleed out little greenbacks. agreed. this intransigence as far as adjusting our governmental operations is harmful. we should scale back the military, as well.
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