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Post by moon/Laura on May 21, 2023 11:43:29 GMT -5
I saw this on Facebook today. I'm sure the deniers will continue to deny, or otherwise make excuses though.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 20, 2023 11:42:58 GMT -5
Note- if this thread seems a little disjointed, it's because DJ asked to have the other thread re: Turkish Primaries merged with this one. It automatically sorts by post date and time so they're all mixed up in here, basically.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 18, 2023 18:19:50 GMT -5
So you don’t care about women’s health. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth, trying to sound reasonable instead of the radical conservative you are. You cannot even clearly state what you stand for. Which is it, do you want a national ban, leave it up to the states, or are we going to write a bill to allow for “medically necessary abortions”. But you cannot articulate what your position actually is Sure I care that is why I said medical abortion is ok. Elected abotion has nothing to do with health. If you are going to throw back my words please look them up. In another post I said I'm in favor of abortion going back to the states, I would support a national ban. It would be better for women if there was a national explanation for medical need but that is not going to happen so it would be left up to the states to decide the medical need. Is that clear enough. Im far from a radical conservative. I'm more of a conservative libertarian, but I draw the line on a elected abortion. I'm pretty strong on that. But again... how is it your business what a woman does with her body? How does it affect you, personally? Offending your religious sensitivities doesn't count.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 18, 2023 11:45:37 GMT -5
That's a good start, but we also need to limit the TYPE of weapons people are allowed to legally purchase! That's critical, if we're ever going to decrease mass shootings. I don't understand why that's so tough to do. Don't give me this bullshit about 'it's not going to change until people stop being evil'. People will never stop being evil. So stop making it *easy* for them!
AT to what end? AK, AR how about hand guns I can take a 9mm most common bought hand gun and turn it into a fully automatic sitting at my kitchen table for about 35 bucks. As I stated earlier the next gun to commit carnage is the shotgun very popular hunting gun. You can modify that too and get more power and turn it into a semi-automatic. See once it starts the rights of gun owners will get chipped away until the 2a means nothing. Basically we are beating a dead horse to death. So that just means we do nothing?? How utterly ludicrous! Everywhere else has strict laws. They work. It's a cop out to say 'they'll just find another way'. A crappy cop out to boot.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 18, 2023 9:29:15 GMT -5
So we just have to accept this as normal. What an asinine response, and contrary to what conservatives believe in all other issues. If people are the issue, keeping guns out of the hands of those individuals will help. No guns=no gun deaths. It is that simple. Your refusal to accept data from other countries in absurd, and you inability to understand how simple this is reveals your lack of intelligence. You have been in favor of a national ban on abortion. You said as much yourself. Are you backtracking now. You also maligned people who had more than 1 abortion. Are you taking that back now. Try to come up with a logical position. I know it is hard, but try. It will be good for you you have a real hard time being civil and not calling names don't you? I read your posts I have to sit and drink my coffee. I don't want to stoop to your level of comments. I will clarify issues that you mentioned out of context. Abortion, I should have clarified earlier that when I talk about abortion I mean elective abortion for birth control should be banned. I understand and see a need medically. Guns, I agree with a good comprehensive background check. If denied there needs to be an appeal process with the denial having to prove why the person is refused. The burden needs to be placed on the denier on why the purchaser is refused. The purchaser should not have to even state why they want it. I don't see where any law would have prevented any of the school shooting that have occured. That can be another topic. That's a good start, but we also need to limit the TYPE of weapons people are allowed to legally purchase! That's critical, if we're ever going to decrease mass shootings. I don't understand why that's so tough to do. Don't give me this bullshit about 'it's not going to change until people stop being evil'. People will never stop being evil. So stop making it *easy* for them!
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Post by moon/Laura on May 16, 2023 19:02:00 GMT -5
Difference is, I could be directly impacted by a school shooting. Therefore, it *is* my business. YOU are in no way impacted when a woman has an abortion. And the whole 'innocent baby' thing is just bullshit anyway. In any mass shooting, innocent people die. Where is your outrage for them? I do have outrage in mass shootings, but it is directed to who is responsible not a gun. The same I have with abortion I don't blame the tools used to perform the procedure just the person who voluntarily gets a non needed medical abortion. The whole innocent baby is the center point. Pro- choice cops-out on this because they don't want to face what it is they are advocating for. It is easier to say it is not a baby. Saying it is not a baby is bullshit. Fine, but the point everyone has been making is that we don't need that type of gun in the general public's hands! That's what you consistently ignore. If assault rifles weren't so easy to get, mass shootings would decrease. It's common sense. To most of us, anyway.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 15, 2023 15:44:18 GMT -5
said baby is also NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS! It's not coming from your body so you should have no say. So no one should say anything about shool shootings right. I mean after all you are all so good at minding your own fucking business Difference is, I could be directly impacted by a school shooting. Therefore, it *is* my business. YOU are in no way impacted when a woman has an abortion. And the whole 'innocent baby' thing is just bullshit anyway. In any mass shooting, innocent people die. Where is your outrage for them?
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Post by moon/Laura on May 15, 2023 12:31:27 GMT -5
Wild guess but that could have also been a trauma response by going on the defensive about it before she could be attacked by people for her choice. And even if she did brag so fucking what? That makes her a trash human. That doesn't give you the right to decide that ALL women who have abortions are like that person or that anyone who isn't throwing themselves sobbing on your mercy for what a huge mistake they made isn't allowed to have one. You know just like your argument that we cannot ban certain types of guns because "not all gun owners are bad people!" Interesting that that only extends to your ability to own a weapon whose sole purpose is designed to kill and injure things. So much for being pro- life like you claim. That only extends to you sticking your nose up my uterus. My kid dies being shot in kindergarten OH WELL don't I dare suggest that there be reforms because it's not like you personally pulled the trigger. I cannot judge all gun owners by one experience. If I have to mind my own fucking business about your gun collection then you absolutely need to mind your own fucking business when it comes to my uterus. First off what in the world would make you think I'm pro-life. Not in the fucking least. second I don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else does with your uterus or any other part of your body. Just as long as it doesn't affect an innocent baby. said baby is also NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS! It's not coming from your body so you should have no say.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 14, 2023 16:17:59 GMT -5
An anencephalic infant has a heartbeat. It also has no chance of surviving more than a few hours after birth. The pregnancy will progress normally without significant risk to the women from a physical standpoint. You would force her to carry that pregnancy to term? Is that fetus alive? It has a heartbeat but no brain. Maybe you should acquire some medical knowledge before you try to argue these points. Medicine, despite your beliefs, and the beliefs of your fellow conservatives, is not always black and white. Yet I suspect you would cruelly force a women to carry a non viable pregnancy to term because it has a heartbeat and is therefore alive. And you consider yourself more moral and a better person than the rest of us Im no medical expert that is your field. I have also said for medical reason I don't know of all the reasons or factors involved. What I do know is that a woman should not be able to go into an abortion clinic and schedule an appointment just because of a whooopsie my bad Rape/incest - especially when it involves a child - is not a 'whoopsie my bad'. Nor is a birth control failure. But your high and mighty, holier than thou self thinks that those women (or children) should still have to carry a pregnancy to term!
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 20:46:49 GMT -5
What if you don’t want to, someone inserted their sperm by force? Def on the fence about this one. I would like to say petition a court but in reality if there is no danger to the mothers physical health then the pregnancy go full term What about the mother's mental health? Shouldn't that be just as important? Maybe she's suicidal from being forced to continue a pregnancy she didn't want. But that's ok by you because she's nothing more than an incubator for a child who may well end up in the system. But our system is so wonderful that that doesn't matter either, right? None of it matters other than a child who wasn't wanted (and who may be a societal burden) wasn't aborted. How fucking stupid.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 16:54:13 GMT -5
PMD actually *is* a doctor, so I consider his facts to be relevant. Clearly, others don't.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 10:28:11 GMT -5
Thank you, pulmonarymd. That was the point I was attempting to make a few posts ago. But hey...why listen to facts?!
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 9:30:52 GMT -5
This is disgusting coming from a female. So a woman's body can never truly be her own? I don't see anyone making laws against men's bodies. Sperm is life, but nobody is making laws against men masturbating. Why? Part of being a female is to reproduce if you want to. There are steps to take if you don't want to but that is nature. Female body is not just hers once there is a pregnancy. Masturbation is fine no coception happened, that is when it is truly just cells. IF YOU WANT TO. And some sometimes, birth control fails! To then force a woman to carry the fetus - that the woman took steps to prevent in the first place - is ridiculous.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 9:19:57 GMT -5
Viability outside of the mother is irrelevent. It still lives. It's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb
There's no such thing as a Pro-abortionist. But 'pubs are always trying to spin pro CHOICE that way. Viability outside the mother is irrevelent. If it has a heartbeat then it is alive period. Unless the mother life is in danger then the only course of action is to continue with the pregnancy. Your right I probably should use pro choice I will start when people stop saying pro-life for anti-abortion. Disagree. What about people on life support? They have a heartbeat, but the machine is breathing for them. Is that alive? Not in my opinion. If you disconnect the machines and they pass, then they weren't really 'alive' anymore. If the brain isn't able to tell the body what to do in order to SUSTAIN "life", then they can't live.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 13, 2023 8:52:21 GMT -5
I find it interesting that you think guns are a right but not bosy autonomy. The government should not be able to govern my body. That should be between me and my doctor. You were probably one of those people screaming "my body my choice" when covid vaccines came out too. It is not just your body tho. Once conceived there is another life in you. The pro abortionist stands behind the myth of its just cells to make themselves feel better about throwing away a baby they know just who and what they are. Covid is different not only is it your body but you have the choice to protect yourself from others not just others stopping the spread. I complied but in my house I didn't force anyone from the outside to wear a mask it was their choice. It's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb
There's no such thing as a Pro-abortionist. But 'pubs are always trying to spin pro CHOICE that way.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 12, 2023 15:34:52 GMT -5
When someone is depressed, whether it be due to physical or psychological trauma, their sense of reasoning and desicion making is temporarily blocked out or clouded leading to sometimes very poor judgement. If they are in a state of rage........and a gun happens to be available, all sorts of situations can happen including suicide or homocide. If a gun is NOT available, there is far less likelihood that a gun could be used for either of those fatal choices. At the same time, I'm not against gun ownership.......however, I am against the availability and possession of 200 shot Assault Weapons. Outlawing them does Not infringe on The Constitution. This is where I am as well, because there is no need for that type of weapon except for certain circumstances. And home defense/personal safety isn't one of them, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 12, 2023 14:52:37 GMT -5
LOL 76 firearms, so cool. Yep you're darn right since not one of them was used to killed anyone in the years in my possession. Some may have since they were collectibles from the WW2 era. whoop-de-fucking-do you - and everyone like you - disgust me.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 11, 2023 10:40:24 GMT -5
Guns don't buy guns; people buy guns. Notice how much the curve of gun ownership has gone up because fear works to sell guns on Faux news and other outlets. So maybe in 2000, maybe the average gun owner had 3 guns for example and now they have 5. The risk increases with the number of guns. the number of mass shootings are escalating in this country. Killing more kids, spouses, people just in the wrong place when the shooter decides to mass shoot, etc. I don't dispute that. The most we ever owned at one time was 52 we are now at 36. My oldest said she has 14 and my youngest and her hubby have 26. So right there 3 families have 76 firearms. This is absolutely fucking insane.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 11, 2023 10:39:25 GMT -5
Until people stop doing evil things there won't be a solution. You are right our rights to own and bear arms do outweigh the fear of getting shot. There are approx 70 millions guns in this country than there are people so statistically the amount of gun violence is acutally pretty low compared to gun ownership check the data on that. It is unlikely people will stop doing evil things. Nevertheless, we have transitioned from black powder muskets to whatever the army and armed forces in the US use today. Cars have been made safer because much of society likes protecting children and people in general should they be in an accident. The tide is turning, people are not happy about finding bodies of their loved ones with big holes in them. No face, no torso or barely there for school age shooting victims. The tide is turning. And the answer to both of these is the same - STOP MAKING IT EASY FOR THEM! Fuck your 2nd amendment rights. There is ZERO reason for John Q. Citizen to have military style weapons (competitive shooting aside, perhaps).
*edit to add that this isn't aimed at Opti. Only using her statement to make a point.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 25, 2023 21:08:32 GMT -5
swamp Can you please edit your post above to be only a short snippet and link to the rest? I know WaPo is behind a paywall, but we have to abide by copyright laws. Even the one you did link to is really too long. Doesn't crediting the source cover copyright laws? She's not making money off of it or charging anyone to read it. I don't think so, no. And even if it did, the forum rules do state to only post a short snippet and link to the rest.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 24, 2023 19:44:19 GMT -5
swamp Can you please edit your post above to be only a short snippet and link to the rest? I know WaPo is behind a paywall, but we have to abide by copyright laws. Even the one you did link to is really too long.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 20, 2023 12:18:20 GMT -5
Piece of shit human beings believe the way you do. If it were YOUR children/grandchildren being shot up with those AK47 and AR15s ya'll love so much, then maybe you would understand. But it's more likely I'm giving you way too much credit. Nice little piece of name calling. Just in honor of you I will nickname one of my AR's "piece" and another "shit" Ummmm, no. That's not name calling. That describing a personality trait. More like a personality disorder, even.
It's like if I say a certain group of people who regularly do positive thing might be called 'generous/giving people'. That's not name calling either. It's describing the TYPE of person they are.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 19, 2023 17:41:09 GMT -5
Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem. Nope more like the solution Piece of shit human beings believe the way you do. If it were YOUR children/grandchildren being shot up with those AK47 and AR15s ya'll love so much, then maybe you would understand. But it's more likely I'm giving you way too much credit.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 19, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5
If you've been thinking you aren't going to get shot/killed because you don't go to work, school, or crowded public places... think again. There's a lot of fear in America. Make an honest mistake and you too could be shot/killed. www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/kansas-city-ralph-yarl-shooting-tuesday/index.htmlRalph, 16, was shot in the head and arm after he went to the wrong address to pick up his siblings. He has been released from a hospital but faces an arduous road to recovery, his family said. www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/woman-shot-wrong-driveway-upstate-new-york/index.htmlA 20-year-old woman was shot and killed after her friend turned into the wrong driveway in upstate New York, officials say I suspect we will see more and more of these kinds of shootings... Americans are afraid. Looks like we've given up the freedom to NOT be afraid in our own homes... Thanks Republicans, trump, and NRA and the Religious Right! America is afraid thanks to democrats and liberals lack of strict border control, lack of supporting the police, not using martial law when riots break out, demonizing a white person if they kill a black person but not when a black person kills a white person. I can go on and on and on yes people are afraid has nothing to do with republicans. Your thought process make me sick. 'Pubs have created a monster that thinks guns are the answer to every fucking thing. You don't even have to pose a threat, and a 'pub will shoot you. AND THEY THINK IT'S OK because 'my righhhhhhhhhhhhhts' and "guns aren't the problem". Yes, guns *are* the fucking problem.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 17, 2023 14:53:36 GMT -5
I’ve never met anyone that I knew was from Montana, Vermont or Wyoming. Do people even really live in those states? Yes, one of my coworkers moved to WY a while back to take care of his aging parents.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 16, 2023 17:43:01 GMT -5
Headed to AZ next Saturday for 10 days on a photography adventure. Never been, though CO is relatively close. I agree with raeoflyte 's assessment of Colorado. Even though we have that dumbass Boebert, I love it here and couldn't easily decide on where else I'd go. Legal pot has really brought the people in though, and that has driven up housing costs. And the traffic sucks almost all the time. My suburb (north of Denver) feels pretty safe, and it's pretty diverse. I remember when we first moved here, it was the ass-edge of nowhere. No longer. That I don't like. It's not as cold and snowy as people seem to think it is. Or, it's not as snowy as I remember it being as a child, anyway. Lots of outdoor activities and there are so many beautiful places to visit. That is true pretty much all over the West. The western states are far more geographically spectacular than the rest of the country. Just about every state has places that are not-to-be-missed. Any list of the most amazing or beautiful national parks will be dominated by parks in the western part of the country, and we just have to laugh at what are referred to as "mountains" anywhere east. GF and I did a six-week trip a few years ago, visiting eleven national parks and two national monuments along the way. We didn't get as far as Colorado, but had planned a trip there for last year. She wanted me to go to a family wedding last summer, and I agreed as long as we could turn it into a road trip. Turned out that she had to cancel attending, but there were at least six sites in Colorado that we were going to try and hit. Would have been spectacular, but maybe we can get back to it in the next couple years. That's a heck of a trip! I can't be gone that long - it wouldn't be fair to my other day shift coworker. We only have 1 person per shift and work 12 hr days, so she ends up working 11 days straight or something. Granted, I do the same for her, but it's a lot.
I hope you're able to get out here someday. Some of my "must visits" are Rocky Mountain National Park (of course), Black Canyon of the Gunnison, Colorado National Monument, Mesa Verde and probably the Great Sand Dunes. You could easily spend a couple of days each at most of those places.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 16, 2023 17:28:28 GMT -5
While I'm happy you came back, this wasn't really an appropriate thread to comment in. Last post was 5 years ago! And, there should have been a banner stating not to post in old threads like this. Please do jump in on some recent topics, though!
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 15, 2023 20:23:43 GMT -5
Arizona is almost 50/50 - however, because of gerrymandering, the R’s are still in charge - by ONE seat. That could change in the next election- the last election was the bluest this state has ever been - it might swing back fairly easily. Headed to AZ next Saturday for 10 days on a photography adventure. Never been, though CO is relatively close. I agree with raeoflyte's assessment of Colorado. Even though we have that dumbass Boebert, I love it here and couldn't easily decide on where else I'd go. Legal pot has really brought the people in though, and that has driven up housing costs. And the traffic sucks almost all the time. My suburb (north of Denver) feels pretty safe, and it's pretty diverse. I remember when we first moved here, it was the ass-edge of nowhere. No longer. That I don't like. It's not as cold and snowy as people seem to think it is. Or, it's not as snowy as I remember it being as a child, anyway. Lots of outdoor activities and there are so many beautiful places to visit.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 8, 2023 18:49:49 GMT -5
I'm going to AZ for 10 days in a couple weeks so this was a good reminder for me, as well. A lot of the places I'm visiting have odd fees ($8) so if they don't take cards, I'll need the singles. Lodging will use $5 or $10 for tips. We see more restaurants in AZ advertising "cash only" for payment. The nail salon we visit in AZ also has a sign up to please tip in cash. Good to know that about the restaurants! That wouldn't have been on my radar at all, so thank you for the heads up.
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 7, 2023 15:07:50 GMT -5
I have started to pack for the cruise to Alaska. I hemmed my new rain pants and put a few things into a pile. Your post reminds me to pack a bunch of $1 and $5 bills for tips along the trip. Maybe $5 and $10 bills, inflation and all. I'm going to AZ for 10 days in a couple weeks so this was a good reminder for me, as well. A lot of the places I'm visiting have odd fees ($8) so if they don't take cards, I'll need the singles. Lodging will use $5 or $10 for tips.
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