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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 15:21:49 GMT -5
I just wish we could all get along... We could if you would be willing to admit that simply because someone holds a different opinion than yours doesn't mean that they are any less valid.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2011 15:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 15:22:26 GMT -5
These are my examples only. Your mileage may very.
I started some of those threads I think you are refering to (1) Bogus Obama campaign ad by the RNC, and (2) Obama's Memorial Day Schedule were just two of mine ..just in case you heard of them??? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 15:23:45 GMT -5
I'm thinking there are people that threw their hat in and won't say it here because they have a good idea they will be "elected", and a good idea that it may not be by popular vote, but by "vetting."
Actually, Lak, for political opponents we all get along pretty well, IMO. It's the personal attacks rather than topic attacks that set people off. What SOME people see as pure mean spiritedness, (normally people that admit to not liking politics), I see as normal political talk of opponents.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 7, 2011 15:25:07 GMT -5
Virgil, you forgot "How to Choose a Psychiatrist".
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2011 15:25:29 GMT -5
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cme1201
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 15:25:54 GMT -5
Vetted by Moonbeam and the other Mods?? Who else would do the vetting?[/quote][/color] Some of Moonbeams gal pals??? or boy pals??? who are not Mods?? Just to get a second or third opinion??[/quote] And yet they wouldn't know. 1. posting history 2. what the "rubs" are 3. if an existing mod has "abused" power 4. reasons for deletions 5. reasons for "time-outs" So far most of the existing mods have been fine, I believe that moonbeam wants the best for our board (P&M) what that is going to require is a more level headed approach to selecting mods than everyone has a right to be on the ballot and if it's highest it wins. If you are a person who has beliefs then, have faith that it will all work out for the best.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2011 15:26:05 GMT -5
duplicate
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 15:27:11 GMT -5
Virgil......I think you are an excellent Moderator here and I like the way you defuse a bad situation and make light of it but as you know who cares what I say about Mods..??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 15:28:14 GMT -5
I want VIRGIL, but NOOOOOO... what's your problem, any way, Virgil? Are you scared, or sane, or what?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 15:28:57 GMT -5
it has nothing to do with your political leanings or 'being targeted'. it has to do with how you act.. and you cannot blame your poor behavior on Tenn, ed.... so don't even go there.. Report
C'mon Moonbeam Ed is a cat compared to others here
He gets a lot of unfair criticism by those who are not as knowledgeable as he is IMHO
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cme1201
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 15:29:16 GMT -5
These are my examples only. Your mileage may very. I started some of those threads I think you are refering to (1) Bogus Obama campaign ad by the RNC, and (2) Obama's Memorial Day Schedule were just two of mine ..just in case you heard of them??? ;D Nope neither one is yours, Your memorial day thread was entertaining if nothing else, at least you may have learned an age old carpentry lesson, measure twice cut once. (don't necessarily go with the first thing you see, check at least three to make sure what your saying is true.)
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 7, 2011 15:33:33 GMT -5
Do I play nice in the sandbox, Moon? I think I do, but I'm not sure you think I do. Maybe I'm just paranoid from months of being bashed by some who definitely play nice in the sandbox. Not bashed here, elsewhere.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 15:35:16 GMT -5
Nope neither one is yours, Your memorial day thread was entertaining if nothing else, at least you may have learned an age old carpentry lesson, measure twice cut once. (don't necessarily go with the first thing you see, check at least three to make sure what your saying is true.)[/quote][/color]
I like controversial threads instead of milktoast in the AM I started one today that lambasts Obama awarding the Medal of Freedom to Germany's Merkel who looked embarrassed to receive it and was probably wondering "What a joke this is"..
The Memorial Day Thread was a source that was not Obama friendly and that was my error ....For some reason I thought both the New York Times and Washington Times were more Liberal bent than conservative.. The article about his schedule on Memorial Day was really scathing and then it was deleted from the online newspaper the next day with no apology or retractions,,..
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 7, 2011 16:11:02 GMT -5
The second one. I've made some P&M blunders. I'm a satirist at heart and my flights of fancy have gone... badly... on occasion. P&M mods need to have an iron fist and be totally beyond reproach. "Totally beyond reproach" and a fetish for satire aren't wholly compatible. It should come as no surprise that the P&M board generates more reports than all other boards combined. A lesser-known fact is that there is a moderator community. We get many pairs of eyes looking at the borderline cases. We make a ruling and establish a precedent. Some of the actions I've taken on other boards were based on inputs from the P&M mods, and some of the actions they've taken here were based on my input. We're all political ideologues (to varying extents) on P&M. It's difficult to separate our feelings for individual posters as responsible judicators (i.e. moderators) from our feelings about their political views.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2011 16:13:30 GMT -5
The second one. I've made some P&M blunders. I'm a satirist at heart and my flights of fancy have gone... badly... on occasion. P&M mods need to have an iron fist and be totally beyond reproach. "Totally beyond reproach" and a fetish for satire aren't wholly compatible. It should come as no surprise that the P&M board generates more reports than all other boards combined. A lesser-known fact is that there is a moderator community. We get many pairs of eyes looking at the borderline cases. We make a ruling and establish a precedent. Some of the actions I've taken on other boards were based on inputs from the P&M mods, and some of the actions they've taken here were based on my input. We're all political ideologues (to varying extents) on P&M. It's difficult to separate our feelings for individual posters as responsible judicators (i.e. moderators) from our feelings about their political views. Even those with a middle to the left slant?? Wow, I would think that would be a easy one.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 16:17:49 GMT -5
On the whole I would say the Moderating here since its inception has been mostly fair and impartial with a few exceptions of course but I like the fact that Moonbeam will take the time to check a ban to see if it was warranted or not....and we didn't have that with Kymberly on the MSN Mod Community she rarely if ever changed a ban.. Both have different managements styles and I prefer Moons vs Kymberly..
But I did learn as a Moderator that familiarity does indeed bred contempt after a few years and that is a given..and I do see that happening here but a change on 17 June should alleviate that I hope..??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 16:28:07 GMT -5
Honest answer, Virgil. Thank you. Feelings... therein lies the problem. Put it together with some of us having known each other on different boards.. lots of boards.. for YEARS, and THOSE feelings-- it gets explosive and at times unfair, depending on who has the power. Of course, in a self serving way-- hey- gotta look out for myself cuz no one else wants to-- I much prefer mods that don't seem to DETEST me, or if they do they hide it well. Which is why I am okay with Dem and with Molly. Since they don't seem to focus on any particular posters, if I have a problem with them I would just take my lumps and move on. Some people I honestly can't say I trust their judgement, not just in their dealings with me, personally, but with others, also. That is why some of us are curious who is in the running. We want to see what kind of place this will be soon, and if it will be a neutral place for all types of posters. The names NOT out there are the ones I'm concerned about... because I am thinking they have a good idea they will be approved, and that it won't be by popular vote, so they aren't telling here that they are running..
I could be paranoid, I guess...
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 16:31:59 GMT -5
We all have to wait and see krickitt.
People have until Friday June 17th to turn in thier names.
We wil find out soon enough.
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Post by commentator on Jun 7, 2011 17:05:03 GMT -5
Okay fess up. Who is welling to admit they have applied for the Moderator post here, other than fan favorite, Molly? Inquiring minds want to know! I exchanged PMs with moonbeam about the possibility. I decided not to apply because the board I'm primarily interested in is doing fine without moderators and I prefer to work with people I trust. No, that isn't directed at moonbeam although it can easily be interpreted as a critique of her judgment. Edited to add: Besides, I've never liked that sandbox analogy.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:08:02 GMT -5
I'd be careful what you post, as some could construe it as mod bashing, and that will get you a time-out, especially on this particular board.
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Post by commentator on Jun 7, 2011 17:13:18 GMT -5
I'd be careful what you post, as some could construe it as mod bashing, and that will get you a time-out, especially on this particular board. "could" Did you say "could?"
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:15:05 GMT -5
I'd be careful what you post, as some could construe it as mod bashing, and that will get you a time-out, especially on this particular board. "could" Did you say "could?" I was trying to be polite. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 17:21:06 GMT -5
Well, there you go, cme. Now all you have to do is decide if you want it.. ;D
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:22:00 GMT -5
LOL. I have a week or two to decide.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 7, 2011 17:28:16 GMT -5
"decent mix of political views"...I understand your desire just to placate those who feel this is a issue, however , since moderating is not suppose to deal with how a post is politically, more keeping as close to holding to the C of C as possible as well as putting the lid on flame wars and personal direct against others, disses and sleight digs notwithstanding, hopefully still allowed.[Some here like giving but not receiving , so sometimes that lies the problem] With all that said, how ones political feelings are going to influence ones moderating I just don't get it.
If a post is put up as against a moderators political beliefs , that poster gets a time out?
In the past year I never saw that..I saw posters , very few actually, {especially compared to the you know what from the past}on time outs for wising off to moderators or others and when asked to desist, continue and then a Zap.
Also I don't see the importance of a correct political mix as moderators, as to how that is relevant to good moderating, if what I posted above is how it's supposed to be as moderators, beyond the placating of those who cry foul the most, any one want to show me where I am missing it.
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Post by commentator on Jun 7, 2011 17:37:56 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 7, 2011 17:42:11 GMT -5
krickitt, i feel like it's up to the individual candidates to decide if they want to let it be known ahead of time that they're in the running. cme, i know you said you have only been posting on this board for 2 months... i am not hard and fast on the 3 month requirement necessarily, so if you are interested i won't rule you out based on that I don't think. I'm most concerned with overall posting style so that would be something we would look at. ideally, i will be able to have 5-6 mods so that we have a decent mix of political views, as well as spreading the 'work' out a bit. I think having more mods will be really helpful; especially, on this board. It's a difficult job and requires a butt-load of time to do it right, and fairly. That really puts pressure on any mod. Also, glad to hear cme's lack of a month won't preclude candidacy. That's great news!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 17:43:19 GMT -5
LOL. I have a week or two to decide. cme1201 before you decide you need to make sure you will be available to be here for @ 20 hrs to @ 40 hrs a week....if that is a problem then maybe being a Moderator wil not be that interesting..
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Post by commentator on Jun 7, 2011 17:46:14 GMT -5
I won't bother asking why my posts disappeared.
Nothing has changed my opinion of the ones I do not trust.
I will say that Kym claimed to be trying to find "liberal" moderators to balance the conservative ones. I told her the same thing dezi said in what is currently "Reply #130" of this thread.
I will also repeat what I said in a now disappeared post, Kym let the moderators get away with crap that moonbeam doesn't seem to put up with. (Yes, I've noticed that mine aren't the only posts that disappeared.)
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