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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 28, 2011 14:47:01 GMT -5
<<< So if you have something that I haven't yet heard or read, I would love to know about it. >>> ...if you'd really love to know more about it, you'd do more research on the subject and not ask a question like this on a non-scientific-community message board... ...now, imo and fwiw, a discussion on the market forces of any new scientific breakthrough that definitely and conclusively explains the beginning and end of the known universe would certainly be of interest to me...
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Post by cereb on May 28, 2011 15:55:15 GMT -5
... Is it just me? No. Thanks. I was getting worried that I had fallen into a black hole and bounced into an alternate universe.
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Post by Angel! on May 28, 2011 16:23:53 GMT -5
<<< So if you have something that I haven't yet heard or read, I would love to know about it. >>> ...if you'd really love to know more about it, you'd do more research on the subject and not ask a question like this on a non-scientific-community message board... When someone mentions that they know of "good science", then I'm not allowed to ask for further details? I should just take them at their word & drop it? What is the point of having a discussion at all if we aren't allowed to ask where someone gets their information or how they came to their point of view? By that logic I could start threads arguing there is good evidence that the holocaust never occured or that the earth is flat & then suggest people do their own research when asked to back my original statements.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 28, 2011 16:30:04 GMT -5
<<< So if you have something that I haven't yet heard or read, I would love to know about it. >>> ...if you'd really love to know more about it, you'd do more research on the subject and not ask a question like this on a non-scientific-community message board... When someone mentions that they know of "good science", then I'm not allowed to ask for further details? I should just take them at their word & drop it? What is the point of having a discussion at all if we aren't allowed to ask where someone gets their information or how they came to their point of view? By that logic I could start threads arguing there is good evidence that the holocaust never occured or that the earth is flat & then suggest people do their own research when asked to back my original statements. ...no, just that on these forums we ask posters to cite their source... and the verbiage you used invited enlightenment, which seemed disingenuous... if I misread your intent, I do apologize...
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Post by cereb on May 28, 2011 18:01:35 GMT -5
"That's funny because that is exactly what evolution teaches."
No, it doesn't.
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Post by henryclay on May 28, 2011 18:17:27 GMT -5
She's right Snerdly. That's not what they teach, at least the way I heard it. What I heard was that there was all this void place that was full of nothingness, but somewhere in it was everything, , , but everything couldn't be found because it was squeezed so tight it couldn't be seen. And since it was made up of everything it was so heavy you wouldn't want to just lay it on your favorite dining table because it would break the table.
But for some reason everything got tired of being squeezed and like a lot of girls on certain occasions it exploded and that was the big bang that gave us the universe.
They don't tell us how this all came about, but they have a "theory" about how it may have been the result of a previous universe that got so big it finally ran out of steam and imploded into nothing and then big banged again and started the process all over again.
That's the way I heard it.
I wonder if they are ever going to run out of their own theories and settle on the one about it all began because of an intelligence that no theory will ever prove, , , , , and certainly will not disprove.l
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Post by cereb on May 28, 2011 20:12:01 GMT -5
She's right Snerdly. That's not what they teach, at least the way I heard it. What I heard was that there was all this void place that was full of nothingness, but somewhere in it was everything, , , but everything couldn't be found because it was squeezed so tight it couldn't be seen. And since it was made up of everything it was so heavy you wouldn't want to just lay it on your favorite dining table because it would break the table. But for some reason everything got tired of being squeezed and like a lot of girls on certain occasions it exploded and that was the big bang that gave us the universe. They don't tell us how this all came about, but they have a "theory" about how it may have been the result of a previous universe that got so big it finally ran out of steam and imploded into nothing and then big banged again and started the process all over again. That's the way I heard it. I wonder if they are ever going to run out of their own theories and settle on the one about it all began because of an intelligence that no theory will ever prove, , , , , and certainly will not disprove.l Good Grief. Look, if you are sincerely interested in the topic, here you go. It's not too technical. www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm
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Post by Shirina on May 28, 2011 20:27:41 GMT -5
Evolution does not concern itself with creation. It does not attempt to explain how life began, only how it evolved. Cosmology is the discipline that deals with the origin of the universe.
You're mixing the two disciplines together.
In truth what science says is ... "we don't know." And they don't know precisely how it all began. They admit that.
Which is more than I can say for religious believers who know for certain that the world was created with a Samantha wink or a Tabitha nose touch ... or perhaps a Genie arm-cross and nod.
My biggest curiosity is: When the universe was magically created, I wonder if a nifty sound effect accompanied it just like the ones you hear on TV whenever magic is used. That has to be the biggest mystery yet.
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Post by handyman2 on May 28, 2011 21:01:56 GMT -5
Angel I hate to tell you this but the bible does not say the sun is the center of the universe. It is the center of our solar system which is different than the whole universe and there are many suns in the entire universe just check with NASA and their solar profile of the universe.
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Post by henryclay on May 28, 2011 23:53:59 GMT -5
Good Grief.
Yeah, me too. Especially me too since the thread was intended as nothing more than to comment on the Louisiana legislators deciding that as an introduction to the origin of the universe it would be appropriate to tell Louisiana students that science has not solved the question, and that although it is not a scientific theory at all, there is another theory out there. To go from there to testing the validity of the various theories here, you're right, , , , Good Grief.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 11:43:27 GMT -5
Teaching creation still legal in Louisiana schoolsWell kind of: I think they teach that God created alligators & then we all descended from them.
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Post by billisonboard on May 29, 2011 11:48:40 GMT -5
Teaching creation still legal in Louisiana schoolsWell kind of: I think they teach that God created alligators & then we all descended from them. Would that be evolution or devolution?
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2011 12:18:58 GMT -5
Creation is a religious concept and should be taught in churches, synagogues, mosques, the home, etc. It doesn't belong in public school classrooms, in my opinion.
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Post by Angel! on May 31, 2011 13:35:25 GMT -5
Angel I hate to tell you this but the bible does not say the sun is the center of the universe. It is the center of our solar system which is different than the whole universe and there are many suns in the entire universe just check with NASA and their solar profile of the universe. I mistyped - had too many thoughts running at once. I meant people discounted the idea that the sun was the center of the SOLAR SYSTEM, because the bible says otherwise. The bible has several passages which people interpreted to mean that the earth is fixed & the sun & the rest of the universe revolves around us. Same idea as this though. People discounting evolution on the basis of what the bible says.
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Post by Angel! on May 31, 2011 13:39:26 GMT -5
Evolution does not concern itself with creation. It does not attempt to explain how life began, only how it evolved. Cosmology is the discipline that deals with the origin of the universe. You're mixing the two disciplines together. Thank you Shirina. People often get the 2 concepts mixed up.
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Post by EVT1 on May 31, 2011 14:14:55 GMT -5
People with a basic understanding of science don't mix them up.
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Post by floridayankee on May 31, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5
Maybe a higher intelligence caused it all and maybe that's why there are so many nice round things in space instead of big old jagged things. . . . . . do you supose? Pretty far from perfect globes. Just like primitive humans smooth stone tools, the astroids are likely not a bunch of "jagged pieces" due to billions of years of bouncing around in a debris field with countless other objects.
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Post by henryclay on May 31, 2011 16:30:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Florida. Let's start a theory. All the round things are people in heaven and all the stuff like in the picture are the people who went to hell.
Suppose it'd fly?
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