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Post by OldCoyote on May 29, 2011 9:13:38 GMT -5
Watch the police cam video, remember that Guerena was asleep in a back bedroom after a 12 hr graveyard shift at the mine.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 29, 2011 9:18:26 GMT -5
There is an oath keeper march being held in Tucson on Monday, May 30 2011. I will attend this, along with as many friends and family.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 21:20:27 GMT -5
Home invasion. Same exact neighborhood. Caught on home cam video.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 30, 2011 18:24:09 GMT -5
I attended the memorial service and walk to the Guerena home. Nice home on a corner lot, yard was well kept, I was early, talked to some retired officers, one told me that this did not need a SWAT team. Before he retired, he said during the briefings when the warrants are handed out, the dangers are talked about. In this case we have a young marine veteran of two Iraq tours, has a full time job, married with two young sons and no prior problems with the police. One of the things that were not reported any where, Were the bullets that went clear through the Guerena home and into the house behind it. The police kicked in that door checking to see if they had shot some one there. No one was there.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 19:52:46 GMT -5
I also read that neighbor's stories do NOT match with what the cops said at all about how they went about this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 14:50:15 GMT -5
RELEASE THE RECORDS, DUMPNIK!!!!! azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_d92dd346-f13a-5332-8981-cefd04d9fd54.htmlJUDGE EXPECTED TO RULE THIS WEEK ON RELEASE OF GUERENA-CASE FILES Dupnik: Raid stemmed from 20-month probe By Fernanda Echavarri Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:00 am The man killed in a SWAT team raid last month had been under investigation by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for 20 months as part of a major drug and homicide investigation, Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Tuesday during an editorial meeting with the Star. But details of the investigation into Jose Guerena's activities won't be released because an informant for the Sheriff's Department could be in danger, Dupnik said. "There's a chance that our informant is going to get killed," he said. Guerena was killed when SWAT officers fired 71 rounds from the front door of his home in the 7100 block of South Redwater Drive, while serving a search warrant on May 5, department officials have said. Guerena was hit 22 times and died at the scene, according to a preliminary report by the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office. Two weeks after the shooting, officers were alerted to a storage room at Ajo Kinney Super Storage, 5175 W. Ajo Highway, rented to Jose Guerena's mother, Bertha, Dupnik said. Inside the locker, officers found a large number of financial documents and ledgers that "make it clear to us that this is drug money and money owed to a number of individuals," Pima County sheriff's Bureau Chief Rick Kastigar said via telephone during Dupnik's visit to the Star. Officers also found high-end military gear and advanced weather protective clothing inside the storage locker, Kastigar said. Three other homes were searched May 5 as part of the investigation: one home owned by Jose Guerena's mother, Bertha, and two homes owned by Jose Celaya, a listed suspect in the drug and homicide investigation. Jose Guerena's older brother, Alejandro Guerena, is also listed as a suspect, documents show. Officers recovered at least one stolen vehicle, marijuana, drug ledgers, about $100,000 in cash and numerous weapons from the two homes owned by Celaya, documents released Thursday show. But since the deadly raid, no arrests have been made. Dupnik said that's because deputies are still investigating. The homicide investigation Dupnik and other officers referred to in previously released documents is a March 2010 case in which husband and wife Manuel and Cynthia Orozco were shot to death inside their southwest-side home, reportedly in front of their two daughters. The woman killed was a member of the Celaya family and the sister-in-law of Guerena's brother, Alejan- dro, but Dupnik could not say if Guerena was a suspect in the slayings or if he was linked to the homicide simply by family ties. "I can only say that some of the people involved in this particular group may be suspects in the homicide," Dupnik said. Dupnik would not comment on the tactics used by the SWAT team and said a shooting board made up of officials from each of the agencies involved in the shooting would review the case. The officers who shot at Guerena are members of Sahuarita police, Oro Valley police, Marana police and the Sheriff's Department. Dupnik said there was "no reason for anybody to be suspicious of what happened." No ruling Made Pima County Superior Court Judge Deborah Bernini did not make a ruling Tuesday regarding the release of all search warrants that remain sealed. The Arizona Daily Star, through its attorney, filed a public-records request with the Sheriff's Department to release the information sealed by Bernini in preparation for a lawsuit. The search warrants with a list of all items seized from each of the four homes, and the probable-cause statement explaining the need for the searches have all been sealed. Bernini said there was a need for confidentiality when the warrants were sealed May 9, but by now, so much information has been released in this case that the Sheriff's Department must prove there are still critical details in those documents that must be kept confidential. Detectives involved in the case will meet with Bernini in private to discuss why they must be kept sealed. Bernini expects to rule later this week.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 2, 2011 21:46:45 GMT -5
Anything new on this Krickett?
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Post by commentator on Jun 2, 2011 21:54:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I have been following this. I DETEST my dumbass Sheriff, of Giffords fame, but well known to us as a dumbass before that. This one is murky. There's a lot of this and that, maybe, probably, but I have seen nothing to say these people were involved in something. We have LOTS of Mex Americans here. MANY of them are related by blood or circumstance to illegals and criminals. They stormed this house and blew this guy to pieces, with no clear indication he is involved in anything, except maybe some person seen at their house that is involved in crime. Our scumbag Sheriff has been trying to cover his butt ever since, and still there is nothing firm to excuse what they did to this young man. I sure would notmind seeing him booted out of office, not that he will survive the next election, not after how he handled the Giffords shootings. It's "murky," is it? The dead Marine was Hispanic and you claim many Hispanics are related to illegals and criminals. That's what makes it "murky" to you?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 3, 2011 9:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 5, 2011 15:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 5, 2011 15:13:12 GMT -5
Because there is new information to discuss or just for the hell of it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 15:19:07 GMT -5
I'll go look, Pappy. Last I saw was the article I printed above, but I have not been on the internet much. As I said earlier, with nothing to back me up until I found that article, these people know people that seem to be involved in stuff. It's just the way it is in large extended families in Tucson. From what I know there has still been nothing released to show what happened here was justified, just that they knew (and were related to) other people. Let me hit local news..
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 5, 2011 15:19:48 GMT -5
I'm hoping Krickett will share the latest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 15:35:37 GMT -5
www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tucson/supporters-rally-for-iraq-war-veteran-killed-by-swat-team-05302011Supporters Rally for Iraq War Veteran Killed by SWAT Team Updated: Wednesday, 01 Jun 2011, 3:22 PM MST Published : Monday, 30 May 2011, 5:14 PM MST By LAURA SAMBOL FOX 10 News TUCSON, Ariz. - Jose Guerena was killed by Pima County Sheriff's deputies as they searched his home. Initially, officers said he fired at them first, but later learned he never pulled the trigger. Generally, law enforcement agencies use SWAT teams to serve search warrants if they believe the homeowner is armed. Guerena's supporters say that policy puts homeowners who are trained officers at risk and in this case, it cost a man his life. Oath Keepers, a group dedicated to defending the U.S. Constitution, gathered at Purple Heart Park in Tucson Monday. They rallied in honor of Guerena, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran of the Iraq War. "It's tragic..it should have never happened," said Ray Epps. But Guerena didn't die on the battlefield. He was killed at his home near Tucson as deputies served a search warrant on May 5. You can see the bullet holes in the home next a growing memorial. Guerena was shot 60 times. He was suspected of being a drug trafficker, but no drugs were found. He was armed, but no shots were fired from the house. "To serve a search warrant in this way is unreasonable. I can't imaging a more unreasonable search than one that kills you, so this should not have happened," said Stewart Rhodes. Oath Keepers are taking a stand against using SWAT to serve simple search warrants on trained officers or gun owners who have no criminal record. "I don't see any law enforcement officer, any peace officer, I don't see anybody who has been trained any differently," said Epps. "Were not talking about a hostage situation or barricade suspect or a refugee from the law, we're talking about serving a search warrant on a young two-tour Iraq veteran Marine who had a totally clean record," said Rhodes. "He had like four traffic tickets, that's it." The Pima County Sheriff's Department will not comment on this case until the investigation is complete. Guerena leaves behind a wife, two children and a large extended family.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 15:46:04 GMT -5
They had better come up with some evidence, not what I FIRST heard, before the Sheriff's office clammed up, that there had been visitors to the house with plates cops were watching, etc. NO WAY that is justified for this sort of thing. It's hard not to wonder if this is the kind of treatment war vets or other gun owners get just BECAUSE they are vets or own guns. If he was under surveillance they should have known it was just a family in there, and he got home from a graveyard shift at the mine.. why didn't they just send a couple of cops at a reasonable time of day and knock on the door, like they usually do? Another thing-- those mine jobs are some of the good ones around here-- not easy to get, not at all. This guy was clean enough to have a good military record, AND pass all the tests to get one of the FEW good jobs around here, so why the SWAT team? Does not make a bit of sense.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 5, 2011 15:47:17 GMT -5
Thanks Krickett. If you would, could you keep us informed?
IMO- Law enforcement with SWAT teams is a moral hazard. Like anything else, if you got them laying around, the temptation is to use them.
I always find it interesting that law enforcement can state that they felt that their life was in danger so they were compelled to shoot some poor sod 50 or 60 times. Yet, some DA will file 1st degree murder charges against a civilian for the same thing.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 5, 2011 15:48:25 GMT -5
Reports of several articles found in SEVERAL different searches that day-- but they have already said they found NOTHING of interest in the Guerrena home.
Yea, I noticed that too. Smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 16:03:01 GMT -5
Will do, Pappy. Remind me if I forget. Our only local newspaper is very liberal and trying to minimize this story, just like they supported Dummnik after his outrageous statements after the Tucson shootings. There is a serious double standard going on here compared to their NORMAL coverage of everything from a poor illegal getting arrested at a bar fight when he has a wife and 4 little kids at home... wah, wah, wah.. and it's all because they like this crappy Sheriff we have.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 5, 2011 16:13:27 GMT -5
Thanks Krickett.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 6, 2011 13:56:55 GMT -5
So many other ways this could have been handled. Police busting into homes while the occupants are sleeping has got to be the worst and cannot be justified in this case. In fact, the whole practice should be banned entirely in all but extreme circumstances. Hell- they could have surveilled the house and snatched him on the way to work via traffic stop. What's next? SWAT teams for unpaid parking tickets?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 14:03:53 GMT -5
evt-- you are a lawyer, right? This is really messed up, isn't it? I'm going to look for more, but I think this is all we will see since the cops stopped talking. And I am PRO COP for God's sake!!! I HATE seeing cops screw up, and this looks, so far, like a screw up.
Yes-- they could have pulled him over on his way to work, served a warrant on the Mom in the house with the kids while he was detained, ..... messed up, no matter how you look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 18:21:51 GMT -5
azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_8e492a7c-9078-11e0-8ee2-001cc4c002e0.htmlAutopsy report-- no drugs..they SAY they recovered body armor and a BP hat from his house. Maybe he was a bandit posing as BP?? Maybe they are trying to make it LOOK like he was one? I'll keep digging.. all of that means nothing, though, and they did not say the weapons they found were illegal, either. Thx, evt. If you see anything, let us know. NO drugs, not even some old pot, found in his body.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 6, 2011 18:26:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Krickett.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 13, 2011 9:41:31 GMT -5
An autopsy Jose Guerena was shoot 22 times, most shots to the arms and legs. Only three rounds to the body. His wife said that he was moaning when the police took her outside. the paramedics were not allowed in for an hour and fourteen minutes. I wonder if they just let him bleed to death. nothing illegal was found in the house www.kpho.com/news/28156417/detail.html
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jun 13, 2011 14:56:15 GMT -5
Or maybe he just liked the hat. Mine is from the U-Boot Wilhelm Bauer, doesn't mean I was ever in the Kriegsmarine or want people to think I was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 15:05:13 GMT -5
Agree, Dawg. IF he had a BP hat.. so what? They never said that at first, so I have doubts it is even true, but IF he had one-- so what?? IF this man had done something wrong, and they had compelling EVIDENCE he had done something wrong, they would release it. That they have clammed up means, to me, that they have nothing. Our news isn't even talking about this any more. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 15:07:33 GMT -5
Some article in here said they had to protect a witness.... SURE... so anyone that is pissed off at you can go tell the cops blahblahblah then they can break your door down and shoot you to death?? Bullshit. This story reeks.
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