Scientists want to drug our water

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www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/22/052211-news-lithium-1-5/

Sorry, can't copy this. Yes, they want to put psych drugs in our water supplies. Studies show murders go down, etc, if people are drugged out zombies..(yeah, molly, zombies ) Probably take a few years, though, because pharma is having a fit over it.....of course. They consider the US a great testing ground since we were so quick to adapt to mutant food.....Seems they used it as table salt in the 40s until people started dropping dead. Now it is used for bi-polar disease...can't run, they want it everywhere... maybe dig an illegal well...

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I checked to see if this source is a joke or something. Can't find anything indicating it is not factual. It's that new iPad app.

[lakhota]

Oh no, not more fluoride!

[lakhota]

If you google "adding lithium to water" you'll get several hits.

[lakhota]

I'm excited. We could spend our days drinking Happy Water and reading the Bible.

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bigthink.com/ideas/21538

.....And if people don't want to take part, Appel argues, they can always opt out by drinking bottled water: "If the vast majority of people gain health benefits from fortifying the public water, and particularly if these benefits are life-saving, then there is nothing unreasonable about placing the burden not to drink upon the resistant minority," Appel wrote in The Huffington Post. "One person's right to drink lithium-free water is no greater than another's right to drink lithium-enhanced water. As long as the negative consequences or inconveniences are relatively minor, water fortification seems to be one of those cases where the majority's preference and interest should prevail."

Takeaway

Over 34,000 people in the US commit suicide each year, making it the fourth leading cause of death among Americans aged 18 to 65. If lithium were added to all US drinking water—and the effect were the same as in Texas's highest-lithium regions—the national suicide rate would drop to 20,831, saving over 13,000 lives.
Why We Should Reject This

Lithium is a much more powerful substance than fluoride, with far greater potential side effects. Critics say that drugging the water is a massive infringement and equate this use of pharmaceuticals to something out of Aldous Huxley’s dystopic classic “Brave New World.”

Robert Carton, a former senior scientist for the EPA, argues that the government's fortifying drinking water with any substance, even fluoride, violates people's fundamental right—codified in the Nuremburg Code—to give informed consent to any medical intervention. “All ethical codes for the protection of individuals who are subject to medical procedures," Carton wrote in the International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health, "whether research or routine medical treatment, endorse the basic requirement for voluntary informed consent.”
MORE..

***I don't like this. Huffpo does, though.***

[lakhota]

Beyond Fluoride: Pharmaceuticals, Drinking Water and the Public Health

www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-m-appel/beyond-fluoride-pharmaceu_b_398874.html

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Well, Lak-- your article was even creepier than the others.

[lakhota]

In my opinion, the outcome will depend on pharmaceutical companies figuring out how to maximize profits.

[Deleted]

get me high, Uncle Sam! Finally my taxes will go to something i can appreciate.

[burnsattornincan]

Appel wrote in The Huffington Post. "One person's right to drink lithium-free water is no greater than another's right to drink lithium-enhanced water.

A perfect example of someone who needs to be executed once the good patriotic real American citizens take back the country that was built by their founders and what has been slowly destroyed by liberals and progressives.

Dalton McGuinty Burns III

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Yuck.

I wish they'd be more concerned about removing things from our water (pollution, dirt, chemicals, etc.) rather than adding more stuff TO our water.

[workpublic]

get me high, Uncle Sam! Finally my taxes will go to something i can appreciate.

Post of the Day!

[pepper112765]

Supposedly, there is already cocaine in the water and other prescription drugs.

[thyme4change]

This might help me out a lot. I drink a lot of water, and if I don't have to admit to being all bi-polar and depressed, but still get drugged up for it - that would be awesome!

[reasonfreedom]

City water is just a conglomerate of public pee. With increasing amount of population being prescribed some kind of drug we all will be eventually immune to those prescriptions so the pharmaceutical companies will have to come up with more drugs. Conspiracy I tell you, down with the pharmas.

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Stepford Wives.................well behaved zombie society?

[Angel!]

May 25, 2011 9:59:10 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Great! More crap in the water.
OT. I read something recently about birth control/estrogen pills that are getting into the ground water and feminizing the fish. Makes one wonder what it's doing to our male population.

I don't remember the statistic, but male infants are having undescended testicles at a much higher rate than in the past. Also, girls are hitting puberty at much younger rates than in the past. I've heard the rule of thumb is to expect your daughter to hit puberty 2 years earlier than you did, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of that statement.

Personally, I'm not overly opposed to adding something to the water that is shown to have beneficial results & occurs naturally in many water supplies. People that don't like it can drink bottled water. Although I do remember my environmental engineering teacher was extemely opposed to adding flouride to the water. Not because of it's potential impacts, but because only something like 2% of water is actually ingested, while the rest is flushed down toilets, showers, put on lawns, etc. Thus, it was a huge waste of money to add something to 100% of the water supply when only 2% of it gets results. Of course, he was also very much against recycling because it is cheaper just to it in a landfill & there is tons of land left in the country for landfills.

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 25, 2011 11:57:53 GMT -5 Angel! said:

May 25, 2011 9:59:10 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Great! More crap in the water.
OT. I read something recently about birth control/estrogen pills that are getting into the ground water and feminizing the fish. Makes one wonder what it's doing to our male population.

I don't remember the statistic, but male infants are having undescended testicles at a much higher rate than in the past. Also, girls are hitting puberty at much younger rates than in the past. I've heard the rule of thumb is to expect your daughter to hit puberty 2 years earlier than you did, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of that statement.

I thought a lot of that had to do with the increase of growth hormones in the food supply - mainly meat and milk products?

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That's true.. and as my first link said, the US is a great place to experiment with this water thing because we so easily accepted having our food manipulated.

[Angel!]

May 25, 2011 13:07:29 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 25, 2011 11:57:53 GMT -5 Angel! said:

I don't remember the statistic, but male infants are having undescended testicles at a much higher rate than in the past. Also, girls are hitting puberty at much younger rates than in the past. I've heard the rule of thumb is to expect your daughter to hit puberty 2 years earlier than you did, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of that statement.

I thought a lot of that had to do with the increase of growth hormones in the food supply - mainly meat and milk products?

It might, I think no one is certain of the full cause & it may be a combination of many things. I had heard some scientists also blame BPA for this because I guess it breaks down into some sort of hormone or something.

[Opti]

I'm against flouride and lithium in our water. Lithium toxicity is a scary thing. There was a cutting edge film made by a young film maker years ago detailing in part his interactions with his mom who is permanently impaired due to lithium toxicity.

[mmhmm]

I'm not in favor of this. Anyone with renal problems, or who is already taking lithium as prescribed would be in danger of toxicity, even with small amounts. Lithium is naturally-occurring and is already in the foods you eat. This addition would just be too hard to control for those whose levels are already high due to physical problems, or therapeutic through prescriptions.

[Angel!]

I'll admit that I know nothing about lithium toxicity, but considering the amounts we are talking here are microscopic, I have a hard time believing this would be an issue. Otherwise we would see people suffering from lithium toxicity is areas that have naturally high amounts of lithium in the water. 3-4 liters of water would have less than 1% of a standard lithium dosage, I don't think that a 1% increase (for people who drink a lot of water) would have such an impact.

[reasonfreedom]

May 25, 2011 11:57:53 GMT -5 Angel! said:

May 25, 2011 9:59:10 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Great! More crap in the water.
OT. I read something recently about birth control/estrogen pills that are getting into the ground water and feminizing the fish. Makes one wonder what it's doing to our male population.

I don't remember the statistic, but male infants are having undescended testicles at a much higher rate than in the past. Also, girls are hitting puberty at much younger rates than in the past. I've heard the rule of thumb is to expect your daughter to hit puberty 2 years earlier than you did, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of that statement.

Personally, I'm not overly opposed to adding something to the water that is shown to have beneficial results & occurs naturally in many water supplies. People that don't like it can drink bottled water. Although I do remember my environmental engineering teacher was extemely opposed to adding flouride to the water. Not because of it's potential impacts, but because only something like 2% of water is actually ingested, while the rest is flushed down toilets, showers, put on lawns, etc. Thus, it was a huge waste of money to add something to 100% of the water supply when only 2% of it gets results. Of course, he was also very much against recycling because it is cheaper just to it in a landfill & there is tons of land left in the country for landfills.

Maybe because fluoride is toxic; a poison; harmful agent? Go eat a half of thing of toothpaste, just make sure somebody sets up your funeral before hand. Toxin/poisons whether or not applied generously or little by little they will eventually cause health problems.

[mmhmm]

The problem with lithium, Angel, is the difference between a therapeutic dose and a toxic dose is very, very small. Those already on lithium could be pushed over the edge by additional lithium taken in through drinking water, since lithium tends to make one a bit thirsty, anyway. Those with renal problems would also be at risk as their kidneys don't clear the lithium from the system properly and it builds up in the blood stream. Those would be my concerns. For the average person, there'd be absolutely no problems. In fact, most people aren't aware they're taking lithium in every day of their lives. It's naturally found in the body and is in the foods we eat. It's not a "psych drug", as some might think. It's a mineral salt naturally found in RNA and DNA.

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Well-- on the one hand they say it is such a SMALL amount... then on the other hand say it is so BIG it will modify behaviors and save millions of lives.... so... obviously those 2 statements contradict each other.

[mmhmm]

No, they don't contradict one another, krickitt. Some medications do a great deal of good with a very small dose.

[Angel!]

May 25, 2011 13:36:26 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

May 25, 2011 11:57:53 GMT -5 Angel! said:

I don't remember the statistic, but male infants are having undescended testicles at a much higher rate than in the past. Also, girls are hitting puberty at much younger rates than in the past. I've heard the rule of thumb is to expect your daughter to hit puberty 2 years earlier than you did, but I'm not sure of the accuracy of that statement.

Personally, I'm not overly opposed to adding something to the water that is shown to have beneficial results & occurs naturally in many water supplies. People that don't like it can drink bottled water. Although I do remember my environmental engineering teacher was extemely opposed to adding flouride to the water. Not because of it's potential impacts, but because only something like 2% of water is actually ingested, while the rest is flushed down toilets, showers, put on lawns, etc. Thus, it was a huge waste of money to add something to 100% of the water supply when only 2% of it gets results. Of course, he was also very much against recycling because it is cheaper just to it in a landfill & there is tons of land left in the country for landfills.

Maybe because fluoride is toxic; a poison; harmful agent? Go eat a half of thing of toothpaste, just make sure somebody sets up your funeral before hand. Toxin/poisons whether or not applied generously or little by little they will eventually cause health problems.

I am a little confused as to what you were responding to in my post. The levels of flouride in toothpaste is significantly higher than what is found in water. All sorts of toxics are ingested into the body in small amounts. Most chemicals that can be found in water are allowed under certain amounts including arsenic & lead. Anything in great enough quantities can be toxic, including water. Drink enough water alone & it can kill you, yet in smaller quantities it is beneficial. I think the same principle can be applied to many things. So, to argue that flouride is bad simply because far too much will kill you is not a good argument.

[Angel!]

May 25, 2011 13:37:41 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The problem with lithium, Angel, is the difference between a therapeutic dose and a toxic dose is very, very small. Those already on lithium could be pushed over the edge by additional lithium taken in through drinking water, since lithium tends to make one a bit thirsty, anyway. Those with renal problems would also be at risk as their kidneys don't clear the lithium from the system properly and it builds up in the blood stream. Those would be my concerns. For the average person, there'd be absolutely no problems. In fact, most people aren't aware they're taking lithium in every day of their lives. It's naturally found in the body and is in the foods we eat. It's not a "psych drug", as some might think. It's a mineral salt naturally found in RNA and DNA.

Fair enough, like I said I am not familiar with lithium toxicity. I was just thinking something as small as a 1% variance could easily be found within the pills themselves & if an amount that small could be toxic, then it seems like we would be having lots of cases of lithium toxicity.