hello fromWarsaw
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 30, 2011 15:25:33 GMT -5
So why would ANYONE vote for a party that is so incompetent they allow an attack like that, and then start two of the stupidest wars EVER, now lasting 10 and 8 years? The Dems are fixing that, but it's hard in a DEPRESSION...wonder who started THAT?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 17:28:35 GMT -5
Kricket , first not picking on you so calm down, just going to answer your question... I wasn't able to find that other article I mentioned that explained what is happening between the party's here, Iran, Iraq, our time table to get completely out of Iraq by the end of the year but found a very recent article , regarding AL Sadder the anti American Cleric who is back in Iraq after almost three years in Iran and is so strong in power and influence that explains what is going on there. In the article I could not find, it is brought out that Iran wants US presence in the Region, primarily Iraq gone, in a big way. They want us gone, vamoose. Many reasons. In their mind by being where we are, a base a platform for attacks on Iran. A buffer , stopping Iran or curtailing it actually , from undue influence in Iraq, allowing Iraq to be almost a vassal state to them, and moderating the forming of close ties with Iran, thus helping to promote their, Iran's agenda in the region, allowing influence in the area, against Bahrain, and most important the Sadie's. With out that Iraqi presence our influence in the area is mitigated, especially now since there are icy relations right now with the Sadie's over our lack of support of Mubarak in the Saudis rulers eyes. Al Maliki, the Iraqi PM is caught between the rock and the hard place. Not wanting us there as a presence but afraid of Iran's growing control in the South of the country, hell in Bagdad itself , knowing his government could be toppled anytime Iran wanted it to, he is afraid they could assassinate him any time they wanted to and possible replacement AL Sadr or a loyal follower. In self protection he has come out with the beginning of closer cooperation with Iran, many high ranking iraqies traveling to Tehran, remember Iran great influence in the Sout of iraq as well as great influence over Al Sader , why he took refuge there for almost three years. Iran has a agenda, and are also concerned that Iraqi can cut into their wealth , their oil sales, as their , Iraq, new prov en reserves, just released, their production, now at about 2.5 barrels per day could be ramped up to 6 Billion with a little up grading, cutting into their sales, Iran's. Already affected by the US sanctions on the country, and they , Iran, needs those revenues desperately , their unemployment officially is over 18 %, unofficially much higher, great poverty , and after a eight year war with Iraq, not forgotten, they want Iraq to remain weak as far as outside influence over their borders, and with no air force they are, as well as continue to gain greater influence over the country, which they would with our absence from the country. Since Iran now are our enemy, they are, their administration, the all so powerful religious clerics, to me to do what your enemy want s you to do makes no sense, does not compute thus to not do what they want seems to me the way to go. The problem is it is not up to us to go or stay. Our leadership, rightly want us to stay, our presence now about 45,000 personnel, mostly trainers and administrative but some military clout too. The final call is the Iraqi government and most important AL Malachi, and after reading this posted article you will see what he is up against. I don't hold out much help for staying actually and I know many, including you might applaud that fact, a savings of x amount of $, however, I know we have great interest in the region. The oil, from Iran and Iraq, not counting the rest of the states and of course the Saudie's, not to be in influence in this area , after the expenditure of so much of our treasure not saying the tremendous sacrifice of so much of our blood, if it is only because of some savings of $ to celebrate being asked to go as a victory, that is mistaken. As I said, we may not have a choice, we will not force ourselves on them but hopefully for a while more we are allowed to be a presence in the area. Hope you and others read the article, it explains a lot of what is happening here, andpossiblenyou will gain why it is important to keep a presence here if we are asked to stay. english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/201152614115431859.html
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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 17:32:04 GMT -5
{Click on link tio read article} ----------------------------------- Middle East Sadr supporters rally over US troops in Iraq Iraqi cleric's supporters march in Baghdad, threatening to take up arms if US troops stay beyond year-end deadline.
26 May 2011 15:27 "Thousands of supporters of Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have ralled in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, in a show of force against any extension of US military presence in the country past a year-end deadline.
Al Jazeera's Omar Al Saleh, reporting from Baghdad, on Thursday said members of al-Sadr's Mahdi army "converged at Sadr City" , the northeastern Baghdad neighbourhood named after the cleric's father, "at early hours of the morning".
According to our correspondent, the cleric's loyalists staged a peaceful protest, marching without carrying weapons, but this was no cause for relief.
"They have a message aimed at Americans: if you stay beyond the deadline set by the SOFA agreement, the security agreement signed between the US and Iraq - if they stay beyond that date which is 31 of December, the end of this year, the Mahdi army will resume its military activities and they wiill battle US forces," Al Saleh said.
'Sign for worry'
Al Saleh said some protesters who spoke off camera said they have their weapons at home and that they were ready "at any moment that the cleric Muqtada al-Sadr gives his orders", to pick up arms and "fight the Americans".
"... this is a sign for worry to the Iraqi government and to the US military," Saleh said. "We actually received a statement of a senior US military general here in Iraq [saying that] it's no comfort that an illegal militia threatens to reactivate its forces and start bloodshed and fighting."
Al-Sadr, said to be in his 30s, gained wide popularity among Shias in Iraq in the months after the US-led invasion of 2003, when his Mahdi Army fighters battled US troops.
Some 45,000 American troops remain in Iraq, primarily tasked with training and equipping their Iraqi counterparts, although they must all withdraw by the end of the year under the terms of a bilateral security pact"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 18:33:53 GMT -5
Heck yeah they want us gone. We are almost through rebuilding the country, and if they are following the Koran we are the infidels they are at war with. Of course they want us gone. But since Israel just said they may have to go with a preemptive attack on Iranian nuke sites maybe we should stay in the area-- just in case.. Unless Obama is scared, or really does not want to be involved with Israel-- in which case he needs to get the troops out of the ME. Our people in the ME will be in a dangerous spot if they are there and Israel drops bombs on Iran if Obama hesitates-- which he is famous by now for doing.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 19:09:42 GMT -5
Heck yeah they want us gone. We are almost through rebuilding the country, and if they are following the Koran we are the infidels they are at war with. Of course they want us gone. But since Israel just said they may have to go with a preemptive attack on Iranian nuke sites maybe we should stay in the area-- just in case.. Unless Obama is scared, or really does not want to be involved with Israel-- in which case he needs to get the troops out of the ME. Our people in the ME will be in a dangerous spot if they are there and Israel drops bombs on Iran if Obama hesitates-- which he is famous by now for doing. Well as far as rebuilding the country. nope...and since they are Muslims Krickett I would think they would be following the Koran. and no they , Iraqi's , the vast majority of them, are not at war with us. Don't like us yes, especially the Sunni, Hussein was a Sunni, his sect were in charge, and don't think the Shia care for us either, lot of damage and loss of life there since we got active with them, and yes the Tyrant is gone but for some , better the Tyrant they know rather the Tyrant... was it really our business? No, as it turned out, no on the weapons of... they just don't like us, and those who do attack us are groups sponsored by Iran, so yes a small group now will attack us if we are exposed. I don't believe the POTUS is scared, actually the reason I posted the link was to try and show a possible reason that for now, it might be better to stay, if allowed. Personally, my feelings, due to all the pressures on him, primarily from AL Sadder and his followers, backed up by the groups besides Sadder who are backed by Iran, it would probably be a death sentence for him if Al Maliki did ask us to stay, thus as I said, he probably will not ask us to, which may come back to bite him on the butt as well as ourselves. I guess you didn't read the link or if you did, missed the meaning of. The problem is none of these things in the global have easy answers to them, even though what is usually put forward on threads like this on zones like this are real simple solutions , usually influenced by anything but clear thinking and thought given, usually put forward because of emotions and pre conceived ideas.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 19:58:28 GMT -5
Will you EVER learn that because people think differently than you it does not mean they are unable to think clearly?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 20:58:10 GMT -5
Will you EVER learn that because people think differently than you it does not mean they are unable to think clearly? There are facts that are real and then there are just emotions posted, and not to at least try to look at the suggested facts, check them for veracity , there is nothing posted in the above thread that is not true, actually a dumb downed version , just the tip of the ice berg really , yet in your mind , if not kissing up and accepting your posts as the way it is, how could some one, and then you get up set, ..but to expect anything different from you after all this time, just not happening. So, either ignore your posts , and many I do, and when off the wall, expect a response. You might prefer no response but as I said some where else, if one posts here they should expect getting a response , a reaction, in agreement, or possible not, and if that is a problem, then I guess just don't post, but till told that one can't respond to posts , which would be a oxymoron type of suggestion , IMHO, I would guess just expect responses to posted ideas. As one other has said here numerouse times, 'Deal with it"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 21:07:01 GMT -5
Dez-- hear me out. I will respond or not respond to whatever I feel like. This NEW thing of yours suggesting that CERTAIN people should stop posting is pretty funny. Not likely, though.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 30, 2011 21:16:25 GMT -5
Dez-- hear me out. I will respond or not respond to whatever I feel like. This NEW thing of yours suggesting that CERTAIN people should stop posting is pretty funny. Not likely, though. The first letter is a A, then comes a B..followed by a C. Learn to read and you won't post what you don't see. What was said, paraphrased... Someone is complaining that they are upset when others respond to their posts, even if they have requested for that not to happen, a response from that responder, here on these type zones it is not going to happen , or should it. The only way for that to happen , guarantee no response to a post is to not post here at all, then one is guaranted to not to get a response.
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