handyman2
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 2, 2011 1:01:42 GMT -5
My question would be are they getting dumber or is the tests getting harder? Keep in mind that the military is much more technical now than in past history. In my day you did not need a lot of learning to clean load and shoot a BAR, march 20 miles under full gear etc.
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deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 2, 2011 1:34:19 GMT -5
Well it is all volunteer now..when there was a draft, I don't think they would then turn around and dismiss some one who didn't want to be there [Most didn't} because they had a tatoo..doesn't compute..but now, since most want to be there, they can enforce rules they feel might hurt their image. As I saw tonight , a linesman for Uconn, covered on his arms in bright colors with tattoos all the way up disappearing under his pads..they may not want that image, yet if they are good a their job, well trained, had been sent to schools..to dismiss them over that, in a military organization, one knows what that organization is there for I hope, makes no sense to me. Surprised the chiefs who are so against you know what yet think that is a good rule. I am sure that lines men was the best at his position that Edsall had available and the tatoos were not going to stop him from starting him over someone who might be tatoo free.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 2, 2011 8:46:32 GMT -5
My question would be are they getting dumber or is the tests getting harder? Is who getting dumber? This is the first time ever that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, ... (from the link in the OP)
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Post by The Home 6 on Jan 2, 2011 12:48:35 GMT -5
The last time I took the ASVAB was nearly 10 years ago, has it changed since then? I remember when I took it 'back in the day', it was made very plain that you were only scored on the questions you answered. So I only answered the questions I was sure about. As I recall I left most of the mechanical section questions blank, except for the simple ones such as "Identify this tool (picture of screwdriver here)." My recruiter just about had a heart attack when he saw that my General Technical score was a 132 (out of 136). And then I made it worse when I signed up to be a cook....
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jan 18, 2011 14:57:38 GMT -5
When the majority of jobs [including the military] require above average education and above average intelligence, it's a given that half the population will be "unqualified." Back in the day, a good percentage of "soldiers" were "recruited" by judges who gave them the choice of Military Service or jail time [and a felony record]. When half of young blacks have a criminal record [and a higher than average drop-out record], it isn't surprising that lots of potential Military are "unqualified." Weight, height and physical ability "qualifications" have absolutely nothing to do with many "military" jobs. Why couldn't someone in a wheel chair do some of the "jobs" required by the Military? Back in the day [again], many employers [specifically banks] required a high school education [diploma] simply because they were offering "good jobs" and could afford to be choosy ~ even though many who didn't meet those "qualifications" could have done the jobs quite as well as those who did. We're still doing the same thing ~ excluding many who could do the job because it's easier to require "qualifications" than to let employees [military or civilian] simply prove themselves "on the job." If you look at the situation, you'll find that many of these problems are due to government interference with employment [minimum wage, "rights" of various kinds, employment rules which make poor employees difficult to discharge, etc.]. The reason that it's so difficult to find good answers is that we ask the wrong questions.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 18, 2011 16:12:26 GMT -5
<<< When the majority of jobs [including the military] require above average education and above average intelligence, it's a given that half the population will be "unqualified." >>> ...good point... and Happy New Year, safe... ...and as to tattoos and other fashion accessories governed by regs on appearance, I'd be interested to know the stats on kids DQ'd for gaging their ears... I see those things all over the shopping malls nowadays... oh, well... I doubt the DoD will release the break-down of their DQ stats...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 16:21:06 GMT -5
I'm from the Vietnam generation, and knew guys that went military rather than jail. A couple of thoughts-- I wonder if tattoo places, along with the dozen rules my kids had to agree to when getting their teenage bellies and tongues pierced also include a warning that a wrongly placed tat could prevent a kid from ever getting in the military. Kind of a dumb rule, when you think of it. What if the draft, God forbid, ever comes back?? All kids have to do is go get tats on their hands, necks, lower arms to get out of serving??
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 18, 2011 16:44:01 GMT -5
Canada would appreciate it.
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