Sad......................

[sanityjones]

MIAMI – A new national study has found that thousands of students fail the military's entrance exam each year.
The report from The Education Trust released exclusively to The Associated Press on Tuesday shows that 23 percent of recent high school graduates don't get the minimum score needed on the enlistment test to join any branch of the military.

The test scores paint a grim picture of an education system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math, science and reading questions.

The study comes on top of Pentagon data that shows 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't qualify for the military because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school

www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/21/apnewsbreak-percent-pass-military-exam/

[fiscan]

This is what inundating a perfectly fine country with no good third worlders, legal or not, has done. Whether directly or indirectly every real American citizen has been affected by government insistence to bring this garbage here.

[traelin0]

Agree, fiscan. Well that as well as a federalized education system. What a "Great Society".

[fiscan]

Ha ha - back to business as usual so here we go!!!!!!!!!!!

[traelin0]

Go check out the Collapse thread, it's coming along!

[billisonboard]

This is the first time ever that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, (from the link in the OP)

So, we don't know if this is a higher or lower number than at any other time in US history. There is also no indication of what percentage of high school graduates took the test. It is likely that those students who did well academicly were taking the SAT instead of the ASVAB so this 23 percent is likely a highly inflated number if one thinks in terms of the whole of high school graduates. Also, the link in the OP says that it shows that graduates don't have basic skills. I hope that the military is looking for people that have skills beyond just basic ones to qualify.

[traelin0]

Dec 21, 2010 13:55:16 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This is the first time ever that the U.S. Army has released this test data publicly, (from the link in the OP)
I hope that the military is looking for people that have skills beyond just basic ones to qualify.

Honestly, I don't know anyone who wants to serve in this environment right now... I realize some people who couldn't otherwise seek employment in the private sector will enlist, but generally speaking you wouldn't want to be bombarded with subpar, unemployed recruits IMHO.

[floridayankee]

Where's the ACLU...these idiots have a RIGHT to serve!!!

[sanityjones]

It's time for a DADT educational policy, this way F students do not have to feel bad...........or tell anyone that they are stupid.

[floridayankee]

You really don't need to tell. Just listen to some of them speak.

[Deleted]

I took the test in 79 when i joined....my recruiter called me a few days later and said i could have any job i wanted that didnt include use of a screwdriver or wrench

I aced three sections and scored the lowest at the time possible in the mechanical aptitude section

And of course i went on to become an accountant.....

[joynerk]

Dec 21, 2010 12:33:17 GMT -5 @sanityjones said:

The study comes on top of Pentagon data that shows 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't qualify for the military because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school

Those physically unfit (aka overweight/out of shape, not with medical conditions) get fit pretty quickly during basic!

[sanityjones]

Dec 22, 2010 16:38:41 GMT -5 @joynerk said:

Those physically unfit (aka overweight/out of shape, not with medical conditions) get fit pretty quickly during basic!

You'd be surprise at the number of washouts from boot camp, even with today's relatively easy standards. The emasculation of the male species has nearly been completed.

[billisonboard]

Not just obese. When I joined I was only two pounds over the minimum weight for my height. If I hadn't have eaten breakfast that morning, I would have been in the 75% not qualified.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Dec 22, 2010 16:38:41 GMT -5 @joynerk said:

Dec 21, 2010 12:33:17 GMT -5 @sanityjones said:

The study comes on top of Pentagon data that shows 75 percent of those aged 17 to 24 don't qualify for the military because they are physically unfit, have a criminal record or didn't graduate high school

Those physically unfit (aka overweight/out of shape, not with medical conditions) get fit pretty quickly during basic!

Basic can only do so much...if people didn't meet the minimum requirements, I think there is a pre-basic program.

[sanityjones]

Hey bill, it's about your tagline at the bottom........"Words do not express thoughts very well...........etc, etc, etc. This is especially true when some have been (unintentionally?) left out.


"Words do not express thoughts very well. They always become a little differently immediately they are expressed, a little distorted, a little foolish. And yet it also pleases me and seems right that what is of value and wisdom to one man seems nonsense to another."
— Hermann Hesse (Siddharta)

[billisonboard]

I think the awkward phrasing in the middle (if that is what you refer to) comes from the translation.

[sanityjones]

Dec 22, 2010 17:21:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think the awkward phrasing in the middle (if that is what you refer to) comes from the translation.

Well it is disruptive to the text IMO. Not that I am overly concerned............party on.

They always become a little differently immediately they are expressed

[billisonboard]

sanityjones, I agree it is disruptive so I switched it.

[floridayankee]

You'd be surprise at the number of washouts from boot camp, even with today's relatively easy standards. The emasculation of the male species has nearly been completed.

Bring on the age of the metrosexual.

[sanityjones]

Bring on the age of the metrosexual.

John Wayne is rolling over in his grave. LOL

[billisonboard]

Dec 23, 2010 9:55:24 GMT -5 @sanityjones said:

Bring on the age of the metrosexual.

John Wayne is rolling over in his grave. LOL

John Wayne would never have washed out of boot camp if he had not avoided enlisting in WWII.

[ugonow]

This is what inundating a perfectly fine country with no good third worlders, legal or not, has done. Whether directly or indirectly every real American citizen has been affected by government insistence to bring this garbage here.


Hmmm haven't had kids in school for a while have you? It is the foreign students at the top of the class. And before you blame it on the guvment by saying their school system is better,most of these kids started their education here. You can not fully blame the guvment for your little brat doing badly in school when most others are doing fine in the same system.Everyone is too quick to shuck personal responsibiility and blame others.Family culture and upbring have much more to do with a kids poor grades than the guvment,IMO.

[billisonboard]

One of my favorite examples was my ex had a student miss class to "help in the office" and then took the day's test after school. The ex found out that another student had passed on all the questions to the gal so she replaced the gal's perfect score with a zero. At the inevitable parent/teacher conference that followed, she explained that it had given the gal an unfair advantage. The father asked if she had specifically told all her students that they were not to engage in this behavior and that the consequence was that if they did they would get a zero. BTW, they were seniors in high school and dad was a minister.

[floridayankee]

Dec 23, 2010 10:33:31 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The father asked if she had specifically told all her students that they were not to engage in this behavior and that the consequence was that if they did they would get a zero.

It's idiots like this that are responsible for the "Do not use in the shower" warning label on hair dryers.

[deziloooooo]

Ratchets , from what i observed, both from the TV and my helping out at the VA..I am impressed with the physical fitness of the troops, by appearance sake anyway, as all seem to take part in the physical on a volunteer basis. My time was different, there was a active war, little time I am afraid spent in barracks , yet it seems to me, possible I am not seeing the whole real picure, that those who are serving, most consider it a career, even if on first tour, possible also the reservest and National Guard , as career too, and ralize it is a physically demanding career , so being in shape is important, even to those who are mostly in support. I notice that in Law enforcement here too, much better physical shape then what i remember back in the day. Am I wrong in my assumption?

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

It's worth noting that a lot of people are also getting disqualified for tattoos, as well as for diagnoses of things like ADD and ADHD.

[floridayankee]

Dec 23, 2010 15:23:09 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

It's worth noting that a lot of people are also getting disqualified for tattoos.....

Seriously? Tattoos? That will get you disqualified these days?

There's not one post member (ok, there's always an exception so maybe one) at my VFW post without a tattoo. Even the women post members have tattoos.

[hoops902]

Dec 23, 2010 15:45:30 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

One the one hand, it will be a shame to lose such a hard worker...but on the other hand there is an "image" to uphold so it will be his decision to make.

Wait, what "image" is the military trying to uphold by getting rid of good workers because they have a tattoo in the wrong place? That they lead the country in making rules that serve no purpose other than to simply have them? That without a good old fashioned world war they've taken to spending their time making up ridiculous rules that have no bearing on job performance?

I guess I'm confused about what you think the military's current "image" is and why you wouldn't want it changed. I would think the idea would be to change the military's current image in any way possible.

[deziloooooo]

I didn't know there was a thing on tatoo's..how many is bad?
Honestly , back in the day, that was not a issue..I have one small unit one but that's it,,remember it hurt like hell and one of the guys it got infected..