The Blast Effect....from an AR-15

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

So what I conclude from that is the fastest way to get Republicans on board with gun regulations is to start giving them to drag queens during story time at the library.

[tractor]

Mar 28, 2023 22:06:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Can someone explain to me what purpose would an AR-15 style firearm be used for in real life?

They actually work great for coyote hunting, I have a thermal scope on mine so I can hunt at night (perfectly legal). But honestly, there are several guns that can work just as well...

[Tennesseer]

Apr 2, 2023 6:54:00 GMT -5 tractor said:

Mar 28, 2023 22:06:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Can someone explain to me what purpose would an AR-15 style firearm be used for in real life?

They actually work great for coyote hunting, I have a thermal scope on mine so I can hunt at night (perfectly legal). But honestly, there are several guns that can work just as well...

Based just on the number of firearms purchased each year, including AR-15 style weapons, coyotes would have been eliminated from the U.S. pretty fast.



NICS GUN SALE DATA FOR 2020: BEST YEAR EVER, OVER 21 MILLION SOLD

[tallguy]

Mar 28, 2023 22:12:28 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 28, 2023 21:58:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I support no new sells, buy back programs, grandfather clause with the condition of registration and strict storage requirements.

Did you see where the Washington State House just passed a bill (House Bill 1240) that would prohibit the manufacture, importation, distribution, sale or offer for sale of any assault weapon in the state?  It will next go to the State Senate, which is comprised of 29 Democrats and 20 Republicans.  The governor has already announced that if it makes it to his desk he will sign it.

To be clear, it does not bar possession, so if you already own one you can keep it.  It bars transfer, so nobody can manufacture, bring in, or buy/sell one in the state moving forward.  The description of weapons covered by the bill is:

semiautomatic rifles with an overall length of fewer than 30 inches; semiautomatic centerfire rifles that have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more additional features listed in the bill;

semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds;

semiautomatic pistols that have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more additional features listed in the bill;

semiautomatic shotguns that have one or more additional features listed in the bill;

specific firearm models identified in the bill; and conversion kits and parts that can be used to assemble an assault weapon or convert a firearm into an assault weapon, if the parts are in the possession of or under the control of the same person.

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Okay, so that bill finally passed both houses and has been signed by the governor.  That was expected, since the governor pushed for the bill originally.  He also signed two other pieces of legislation relating to guns.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee signed House Bill 1240 Tuesday, banning the sale and import of assault weapons in the state.

According to a media release from the governor’s office, HB 1240 prohibits the manufacture, import, distribution, sale or offer for sale of any assault weapon in the state.

HB 1240 goes into effect immediately.

Current owners can keep the assault weapons they currently own, and licensed dealers are still permitted to supply weapons to any branch of the military or law enforcement agency.

The law covers more than 50 gun models, including AR-15s, AK-47s and similar-style rifles, which fire one bullet per trigger pull and automatically reload for a subsequent shot.

“We refuse to accept gun violence as normal. Gun violence, in all its forms, can be prevented,” Inslee tweeted after the legislation first passed the Senate, thanking the Democratic lawmakers who control both chambers.

Additionally, Inslee signed House Bill 1143, which requires a 10-day waiting period and proof of completed safety training for all firearm purchases.

HB 1143 will take effect on Jan. 1, 2024.

Inslee also signed Senate Bill 5078, which requires firearm manufacturers and retailers to enforce existing laws, track their inventories and prevent purchases to straw purchasers or those at risk of harming themselves or others, according to the release.

SB 5078 will take effect 90 days after the adjournment of the legislative session.

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 "So we don't have a waiting period necessity for signing a good bill, so I'm signing this bill."  

"No one needs an AR-15 to protect your family.  You only need it to kill other families." 

[djAdvocate]

and just like that, it is done.

[tallguy]

Mar 28, 2023 22:19:02 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 28, 2023 22:16:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the law will be challenged.  any feel for how that will go?

I know how it SHOULD go, but that means nothing if opponents do a good enough job of judge-shopping....  

So here is the update: 

SEATTLE (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a request to block a new Washington state law banning the sale of certain semi-automatic rifles, one of three measures recently signed by Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee in an effort to reduce gun violence.

The law, which took effect immediately when Inslee signed it in April, prohibits the sale, distribution, manufacture and importation of more than 50 types of guns, including AR- and AK-style rifles. The measure does not bar the possession of such weapons by people who already have them.

It drew a quick legal challenge from two gun-rights advocacy groups — the Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue, and the Firearms Policy Coalition, based in Sacramento, California — as well as individual gun owners and a dealer. They sought a court order blocking the law pending a trial on the merits of their claim that it violated their constitutional right to bear arms.

“Considering the exceptional dangerousness of these weapons, the public interest in their regulation by the State outweighs the Plaintiffs’ desire to purchase more assault weapons,” U.S. District Judge Robert Bryan in Tacoma. “In light of recent mass deaths caused by assailants using assault weapons, it is appropriate for governmental bodies to find ways to protect the public from dangerous weapons, within the limits of the Second Amendment.”

Judge rejects attempt to block new Washington state gun restrictions

[weltschmerz]

Mar 28, 2023 22:06:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Can someone explain to me what purpose would an AR-15 style firearm be used for in real life?

School shootings.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 6, 2023 16:29:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 28, 2023 22:06:57 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Can someone explain to me what purpose would an AR-15 style firearm be used for in real life?

School shootings.

That's reasonable.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 6, 2023 15:57:53 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 28, 2023 22:19:02 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I know how it SHOULD go, but that means nothing if opponents do a good enough job of judge-shopping....  

So here is the update: 

SEATTLE (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a request to block a new Washington state law banning the sale of certain semi-automatic rifles, one of three measures recently signed by Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee in an effort to reduce gun violence.

The law, which took effect immediately when Inslee signed it in April, prohibits the sale, distribution, manufacture and importation of more than 50 types of guns, including AR- and AK-style rifles. The measure does not bar the possession of such weapons by people who already have them.

It drew a quick legal challenge from two gun-rights advocacy groups — the Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue, and the Firearms Policy Coalition, based in Sacramento, California — as well as individual gun owners and a dealer. They sought a court order blocking the law pending a trial on the merits of their claim that it violated their constitutional right to bear arms.

“Considering the exceptional dangerousness of these weapons, the public interest in their regulation by the State outweighs the Plaintiffs’ desire to purchase more assault weapons,” U.S. District Judge Robert Bryan in Tacoma. “In light of recent mass deaths caused by assailants using assault weapons, it is appropriate for governmental bodies to find ways to protect the public from dangerous weapons, within the limits of the Second Amendment.”

Judge rejects attempt to block new Washington state gun restrictions

for the record, i assume that the judicial branch will do it's job.

you expect an appeal?

[tallguy]

Jun 6, 2023 19:14:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 6, 2023 15:57:53 GMT -5 tallguy said:

So here is the update: 

Judge rejects attempt to block new Washington state gun restrictions

for the record, i assume that the judicial branch will do it's job.

you expect an appeal?

Absolutely there will be an appeal.  Ideologues rarely give up a position, no matter how many times they lose.