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Post by NastyWoman on May 1, 2024 13:45:45 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Thanks for this comment. It is the important elephant in the room that too many don't see. While I don't agree, that is irrelevant. The question is, "Do enough American voters want that America?" That is what this election will decide. We shouldn't let the character flaws nor Biden's age cloud that important issue. I am just confused about the fact that Biden's age keeps popping up in discussions. Yes, Biden is old but the baggy, saggy, sociopathic orange paint addict is just about as old and he is in far worse shape to boot!
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Post by swamp on May 1, 2024 14:16:15 GMT -5
Thanks for this comment. It is the important elephant in the room that too many don't see. While I don't agree, that is irrelevant. The question is, "Do enough American voters want that America?" That is what this election will decide. We shouldn't let the character flaws nor Biden's age cloud that important issue. I am just confused about the fact that Biden's age keeps popping up in discussions. Yes, Biden is old but the baggy, saggy, sociopathic orange paint addict is just about as old and he is in far worse shape to boot! This. Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden. I don't see how one can argue Biden is too old but Trump isn't.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 1, 2024 14:19:44 GMT -5
Thanks for this comment. It is the important elephant in the room that too many don't see. While I don't agree, that is irrelevant. The question is, "Do enough American voters want that America?" That is what this election will decide. We shouldn't let the character flaws nor Biden's age cloud that important issue. I am just confused about the fact that Biden's age keeps popping up in discussions. Yes, Biden is old but the baggy, saggy, sociopathic orange paint addict is just about as old and he is in far worse shape to boot! Because they don’t understand medicine. They are so far up trumps ass that they think he walks on water. Notwithstanding the fact that Trump can barely walk uphill and Biden can ride a bike. I have been told by a certain poster that my knowledge is irrelevant when I told them that their belief that Trump is healthier than Biden is nonsense
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2024 14:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2024 14:57:07 GMT -5
Thanks for this comment. It is the important elephant in the room that too many don't see. While I don't agree, that is irrelevant. The question is, "Do enough American voters want that America?" That is what this election will decide. We shouldn't let the character flaws nor Biden's age cloud that important issue. Yes, it is nice to see so clearly exactly how un-American the American TalibaNazis can be. Yes, competing ideas of what our self-governing country should be.
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Post by tallguy on May 1, 2024 15:07:34 GMT -5
Yes, it is nice to see so clearly exactly how un-American the American TalibaNazis can be. Yes, competing ideas of what our self-governing country should be. Not saying they don't have a right to push for what they want. I am saying that if they win, American democracy and ideals are on life support. If they win again after that, you can pull the plug.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2024 15:25:24 GMT -5
Yes, competing ideas of what our self-governing country should be. Not saying they don't have a right to push for what they want. I am saying that if they win, American democracy and ideals are on life support. If they win again after that, you can pull the plug. I am not optimistic that we will have that second chance to reverse things, at least without serious bloodshed.
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Post by Opti on May 1, 2024 17:23:11 GMT -5
One more: What's up with the "The Not So Tolerant Left" tag under Toto?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2024 17:45:33 GMT -5
One more: What's up with the "The Not So Tolerant Left" tag under Toto? I had noticed that. The meme came from an Anti-trump site. So I don't know.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on May 1, 2024 22:06:56 GMT -5
Time Magazine interview with trump. It gets worse as the article continues. And it may be behind a paywall. How Far Trump Would GoAPRIL 30, 2024 7:00 AM EDT We’ve been talking for more than an hour on April 12 at his fever-dream palace in Palm Beach. Aides lurk around the perimeter of a gilded dining room overlooking the manicured lawn. When one nudges me to wrap up the interview, I bring up the many former Cabinet officials who refuse to endorse Trump this time. Some have publicly warned that he poses a danger to the Republic. Why should voters trust you, I ask, when some of the people who observed you most closely do not? As always, Trump punches back, denigrating his former top advisers. But beneath the typical torrent of invective, there is a larger lesson he has taken away. “I let them quit because I have a heart. I don’t want to embarrass anybody,” Trump says. “I don’t think I’ll do that again. From now on, I’ll fire.” Six months from the 2024 presidential election, Trump is better positioned to win the White House than at any point in either of his previous campaigns. He leads Joe Biden by slim margins in most polls, including in several of the seven swing states likely to determine the outcome. But I had not come to ask about the election, the disgrace that followed the last one, or how he has become the first former—and perhaps future—American President to face a criminal trial. I wanted to know what Trump would do if he wins a second term, to hear his vision for the nation, in his own words. What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen. Trump remains the same guy, with the same goals and grievances. But in person, if anything, he appears more assertive and confident. “When I first got to Washington, I knew very few people,” he says. “I had to rely on people.” Now he is in charge. The arranged marriage with the timorous Republican Party stalwarts is over; the old guard is vanquished, and the people who remain are his people. Trump would enter a second term backed by a slew of policy shops staffed by loyalists who have drawn up detailed plans in service of his agenda, which would concentrate the powers of the state in the hands of a man whose appetite for power appears all but insatiable. “I don’t think it’s a big mystery what his agenda would be,” says his close adviser Kellyanne Conway. “But I think people will be surprised at the alacrity with which he will take action.” The courts, the Constitution, and a Congress of unknown composition would all have a say in whether Trump’s objectives come to pass. The machinery of Washington has a range of defenses: leaks to a free press, whistle-blower protections, the oversight of inspectors general. The same deficiencies of temperament and judgment that hindered him in the past remain present. If he wins, Trump would be a lame duck—contrary to the suggestions of some supporters, he tells TIME he would not seek to overturn or ignore the Constitution’s prohibition on a third term. Public opinion would also be a powerful check. Amid a popular outcry, Trump was forced to scale back some of his most draconian first-term initiatives, including the policy of separating migrant families. As George Orwell wrote in 1945, the ability of governments to carry out their designs “depends on the general temper in the country.” Every election is billed as a national turning point. This time that rings true. To supporters, the prospect of Trump 2.0, unconstrained and backed by a disciplined movement of true believers, offers revolutionary promise. To much of the rest of the nation and the world, it represents an alarming risk. A second Trump term could bring “the end of our democracy,” says presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, “and the birth of a new kind of authoritarian presidential order. Rest of article here: How Far Trump Would GoIf he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly.
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Post by tallguy on May 1, 2024 22:43:09 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. There was a time when conservatives believed in trying to accomplish their goals within the bounds of democracy, American ideals, and the Constitution. Those days are long past. If Republicans can get back to that, we have a chance to maintain a legitimate system. If this is truly the party of Trump, as it appears to be, we don't. Trump supporters do not believe in any of those things, and even rank-and-file Republicans seem willing to sacrifice any of the three.
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Post by Opti on May 1, 2024 23:03:57 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. I'm wondering what you are applauding? His stance on immigration instead of actual performance? Abolishing Roe v Wade and decreasing the overall health of women of childbearing age? Trump said he was going to build the Wall and in the end built less than any President before him who was in office for any wall building. I think the total was something small like 10 miles. Trump's return rate of immigrants was less than Obama's. He looks good to some simply because far fewer attempted to get here.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2024 23:33:30 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. Just think, Rip-you and scgal could dress and look like this again if we go back to the fifties like you want.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2024 23:43:39 GMT -5
And for ripvanwinkle : a paragraph in trump's own words from the linked Time Magazine interview with trump in reply #1734: No comment, Rip, regarding trump's comments above? Biden has never said anything at all about trump's various criminal charges. Yet trump has no problem publicly stating Biden will be prosecuted for all of his crimes, of which none exist. Your lack of a comment as usual says volumes about you, your lack of ethics and morality.
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Post by Opti on May 2, 2024 5:54:32 GMT -5
“If you’re not targeting and focused on people who recently arrived, then the border is effectively open,” Muñoz said, adding: “It is more humane to be removing people who have been here two weeks than it is to be removing people who have been here for 20 years and have families.”
Trump, by contrast, she said, has rejected the policy of focusing on new arrivals and criminals and instead wants to deport as many people as possible.
www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html
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Post by tbop77 on May 2, 2024 6:23:16 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. I'm wondering what you are applauding? His stance on immigration instead of actual performance? Abolishing Roe v Wade and decreasing the overall health of women of childbearing age? Trump said he was going to build the Wall and in the end built less than any President before him who was in office for any wall building. I think the total was something small like 10 miles. Trump's return rate of immigrants was less than Obama's. He looks good to some simply because far fewer attempted to get here. It's mildly entertaining to see so called conservatives eat up everything he says he is going to do. From history, we all know what will happen if he's elected. Tax cuts for the rich with the promise of middle class tax cuts in two weeks. Biden will still be walking free like Hillary. He will be hiring and firing anyone who doesn't jump. Half the crazy shit he tries to do will be tied up in court. I always come back to what Rex Tillerson said "no Mr President, you can't do that, it's illegal"===should tell youu all you want to know about Trump. He just needs to keep running his mouth. He'll say something as stupid as injecting bleach.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2024 7:31:02 GMT -5
I'm wondering what you are applauding? His stance on immigration instead of actual performance? Abolishing Roe v Wade and decreasing the overall health of women of childbearing age? Trump said he was going to build the Wall and in the end built less than any President before him who was in office for any wall building. I think the total was something small like 10 miles. Trump's return rate of immigrants was less than Obama's. He looks good to some simply because far fewer attempted to get here. It's mildly entertaining to see so called conservatives eat up everything he says he is going to do. From history, we all know what will happen if he's elected. Tax cuts for the rich with the promise of middle class tax cuts in two weeks. Biden will still be walking free like Hillary. He will be hiring and firing anyone who doesn't jump. Half the crazy shit he tries to do will be tied up in court. I always come back to what Rex Tillerson said "no Mr President, you can't do that, it's illegal"===should tell youu all you want to know about Trump. He just needs to keep running his mouth. He'll say something as stupid as injecting bleach. Like "infra-struck-er-sher par"?
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Post by thyme4change on May 2, 2024 16:52:37 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. Dictators can get a lot done - but it usually comes at a pretty high price. Be careful for what you wish for.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. Trump world and his conservative followers:
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2024 17:48:01 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. Dictators can get a lot done - but it usually comes at a pretty high price. Be careful for what you wish for. They won't be the ones paying a price.
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Post by happyhoix on May 2, 2024 19:59:39 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. Dictators can get a lot done - but it usually comes at a pretty high price. Be careful for what you wish for. True, ruthless dictators with efficient minions can get a lot done, but we’re talking about Trump. This time, he won’t even pretend to surround himself with the smartest people. This time, he’ll surround himself with the greatest sycophants, and they will be virtually clueless. Imagine MTG as Secretary of Defense, for instance. Hopefully the competent people who work for her will be able to mislead her and keep her occupied in harmless bullshit while Marge finds reasons to place herself in front of microphones. Trump will occupy himself trying to fuck with anyone he thinks screwed him over. That and grifting. We will all have to cross our fingers and hope we don’t have some tremendous catastrophe (like another pandemic) or a war until Trump is out and someone, pretty much anyone else has replaced him.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 3, 2024 15:32:34 GMT -5
Dictators can get a lot done - but it usually comes at a pretty high price. Be careful for what you wish for. True, ruthless dictators with efficient minions can get a lot done, but we’re talking about Trump. This time, he won’t even pretend to surround himself with the smartest people. This time, he’ll surround himself with the greatest sycophants, and they will be virtually clueless. Imagine MTG as Secretary of Defense, for instance. Hopefully the competent people who work for her will be able to mislead her and keep her occupied in harmless bullshit while Marge finds reasons to place herself in front of microphones. Trump will occupy himself trying to fuck with anyone he thinks screwed him over. That and grifting. We will all have to cross our fingers and hope we don’t have some tremendous catastrophe (like another pandemic) or a war until Trump is out and someone, pretty much anyone else has replaced him. I tried this rationalization during the first Trump presidency. This only worked so much. My biggest fear is that he will do something like try to nuke UK because King Charles didn’t invite him and his cohorts for a second state visit.
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Post by billisonboard on May 3, 2024 15:41:13 GMT -5
True, ruthless dictators with efficient minions can get a lot done, but we’re talking about Trump. This time, he won’t even pretend to surround himself with the smartest people. This time, he’ll surround himself with the greatest sycophants, and they will be virtually clueless. Imagine MTG as Secretary of Defense, for instance. Hopefully the competent people who work for her will be able to mislead her and keep her occupied in harmless bullshit while Marge finds reasons to place herself in front of microphones. Trump will occupy himself trying to fuck with anyone he thinks screwed him over. That and grifting. We will all have to cross our fingers and hope we don’t have some tremendous catastrophe (like another pandemic) or a war until Trump is out and someone, pretty much anyone else has replaced him. I tried this rationalization during the first Trump presidency. This only worked so much. My biggest fear is that he will do something like try to nuke UK because King Charles didn’t invite him and his cohorts for a second state visit. Something like that would be my greatest hope. Think there would be enough votes to impeach and convict in that type case.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 3, 2024 15:54:00 GMT -5
True, ruthless dictators with efficient minions can get a lot done, but we’re talking about Trump. This time, he won’t even pretend to surround himself with the smartest people. This time, he’ll surround himself with the greatest sycophants, and they will be virtually clueless. Imagine MTG as Secretary of Defense, for instance. Hopefully the competent people who work for her will be able to mislead her and keep her occupied in harmless bullshit while Marge finds reasons to place herself in front of microphones. Trump will occupy himself trying to fuck with anyone he thinks screwed him over. That and grifting. We will all have to cross our fingers and hope we don’t have some tremendous catastrophe (like another pandemic) or a war until Trump is out and someone, pretty much anyone else has replaced him. I tried this rationalization during the first Trump presidency. This only worked so much. My biggest fear is that he will do something like try to nuke UK because King Charles didn’t invite him and his cohorts for a second state visit.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 3, 2024 16:06:10 GMT -5
Be ready for Donald Trump to never accept an election resultFormer President Donald Trump has shown remarkable consistency over many years on a key issue of American politics: He does not have faith in election results. He questions the results when he has won. He refuses to concede when he has lost. Now he’s reserving judgment on whether this year’s election will be “honest.” In each quote below, he answers a version of the same question: “Will you accept the results of a given election?” Trump was not the favorite to win the election in 2016, which may have something to do with him laying the groundwork to reject the results in the months before Election Day, when he complained the system was “rigged.” At the final presidential debate of 2016, moderator Chris Wallace, then of Fox News and now with CNN, pointed out the principle of a peaceful transfer of power in this country – where the two parties come together after an election to move forward. When Wallace asked Trump if he would commit to that principle, Trump said, “What I’m saying is that I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?” Even after his victory in the Electoral College, and after he became president, Trump refused to say the 2016 election that he won was legitimate, alleging, without proof, that millions of people voted illegally, costing him the popular vote. The special commission he appointed as president to investigate his allegations of voter fraud didn’t find any. Here again Trump is talking to Wallace when the anchor was at Fox. And here again, Trump refuses to say he’ll accept the election results. The reason, again, is unfounded claims of illegal voting, but the specifics have changed. In 2020, Trump was complaining about mail-in voting rather than a fantastical conspiracy of millions of people voting illegally. There is still no evidence of widespread mail-in voter fraud, by the way. In 2020, as everyone knows, he refused to accept his loss and encouraged supporters to protest the counting of Electoral College votes on January 6, 2021. A mob of his supporters, many of whom have since been prosecuted, stormed the Capitol building. Unlike in 2016 or 2020, when he trailed in polls against Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, respectively, Trump is currently ahead of Biden in some polling. Presumably citing changes to election laws pushed by Republican legislators in key states, Trump said he now expects the election to be “honest.” But he is clearly not ready to issue a blanket vote of confidence in the electoral system, and Trump said he will “let it be known” if there’s something wrong with the 2024 election. “I’d be doing a disservice to the country if I said otherwise,” Trump said. “But no, I expect an honest election and we expect to win maybe very big.” Given that he likes to refer to his multiple criminal prosecutions as a form of “election interference,” it’s safe to say there is groundwork laid for him to reject the results of the coming election. Rest of article here: Be ready for Donald Trump to never accept an election resultAlso an interesting article: Trump’s Big Lie is hurting Republicans' efforts to get out the vote
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 3, 2024 16:07:26 GMT -5
I tried this rationalization during the first Trump presidency. This only worked so much. My biggest fear is that he will do something like try to nuke UK because King Charles didn’t invite him and his cohorts for a second state visit. Something like that would be my greatest hope. Think there would be enough votes to impeach and convict in that type case. You don’t think that the rest of the world would unleash their considerable power on the US in response? I seriously doubt the ass lickers in congress would impeach. Trump is entirely too trigger happy with the nuke codes.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2024 16:24:40 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 3, 2024 16:27:56 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me. You surely cannot be surprised by what they want the country to be.
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Post by tallguy on May 3, 2024 16:28:52 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? Neither. They only care about the Constitution and the rule of law to the extent they can exploit either. To hell with the parts they don't agree with or that they can't somehow use against others.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 3, 2024 16:41:06 GMT -5
Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me. They believe the constitution only protects them. They don’t care if others are impacted negatively. Anyone or anything they are against is fair game, the constitution be damned
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