Tiny
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2020 11:39:12 GMT -5
Here's from the John Hopkins FAQ:
What are the sources of data informing the dashboard? The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, state and national government health departments, local media reports, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2020 11:52:49 GMT -5
There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data. The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue. Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it? I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments. And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that. Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely. Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump. Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump. And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy. There has already been a push on how to 'count' Covid19 deaths - to limit the numbers of deaths. We saw that back in May and June. there was a period when Florida had very few covid19 deaths - but deaths from bacterial pneumonia skyrocketed--- since no one was dying of Covid19 - it wasn't a problem and no need to worry. If Trump (and his administration) control the numbers - they can through doubt on any and all other numbers. Do you not remember Trump's war on journalism and news and FACTS? Right after he took office (and for about a 12 to 18 months)? How are we doing with the results of that? This is not good. This doesn't end well. I wouldn't assume that Trump will NOT win re-election. all of the things they are doing today are building blocks for the current agendas and are looking forward to that future win...
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 16, 2020 12:07:46 GMT -5
I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments. And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that. Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely. Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump. Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump. And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy. There has already been a push on how to 'count' Covid19 deaths - to limit the numbers of deaths. We saw that back in May and June. there was a period when Florida had very few covid19 deaths - but deaths from bacterial pneumonia skyrocketed--- since no one was dying of Covid19 - it wasn't a problem and no need to worry. If Trump (and his administration) control the numbers - they can through doubt on any and all other numbers. Do you not remember Trump's war on journalism and news and FACTS? Right after he took office (and for about a 12 to 18 months)? How are we doing with the results of that? This is not good. This doesn't end well. I wouldn't assume that Trump will NOT win re-election. all of the things they are doing today are building blocks for the current agendas and are looking forward to that future win... I think it's very possible Trump win's re-election. We are all screwed if he does, but it's possible. I just wont' be living in the US if he does. I guess I think it's just very difficult to hide the real data at the local level for very long. Right now there are 24 democratic governors, and at least 4 sane republican governors (DeWine, Hogan, Sununu, and Baker). So in 28 states information will get out. And I think DeSantis and Kemp (who seem to be the worst offenders at hiding data) are going to struggle to contain data from their major metro areas.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 16, 2020 12:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 16, 2020 12:47:33 GMT -5
Yeah....we have safeguards about this under normal conditions. These are not normal conditions. I wouldn’t put this shit past ANY leader, regardless of rules of the country. Assuming it will not happen elsewhere, under the right conditions is naive.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Jul 16, 2020 13:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2020 9:06:42 GMT -5
There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data. The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue. Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it? I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments. And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that. Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely. Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump. Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump. And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy. I'm not sure where the pressure would come from for the square states to share. Why would the Dakotas release that data? Deep south may be a mixed bag. But I think there will be either lots of holes in public data, or a lot of conflicting data out there, which will fuel the idiots that don't want to believe.
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Post by azucena on Jul 17, 2020 9:14:10 GMT -5
I'm watching this unfold intently because I work in life insurance and my company uses data from CDC and WHO and other entities to calculate mortality, mortality improvement, and do cause of death studies among other things. The trickle down effect of this could be huge on my industry and likely others. The CDC data has to be used in all sorts of medical and demographic research.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 17, 2020 9:52:56 GMT -5
I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments. And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that. Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely. Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump. Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump. And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy. I'm not sure where the pressure would come from for the square states to share. Why would the Dakotas release that data? Deep south may be a mixed bag. But I think there will be either lots of holes in public data, or a lot of conflicting data out there, which will fuel the idiots that don't want to believe. It is my understanding that the data comes from medical facilities who send it directly to whomever. The states aren't an intermediary.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2020 9:58:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure where the pressure would come from for the square states to share. Why would the Dakotas release that data? Deep south may be a mixed bag. But I think there will be either lots of holes in public data, or a lot of conflicting data out there, which will fuel the idiots that don't want to believe. It is my understanding that the data comes from medical facilities who send it directly to whomever. The states aren't an intermediary. That is even more holes. Each corporate entity will be subject to the political ideology of the CEO or the BOD. We will be missing data from entire counties, and have reporting from some portion of hospitals in any given city. We will be guessing at best. This is such a fucktastrophe.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 17, 2020 12:37:37 GMT -5
It is my understanding that the data comes from medical facilities who send it directly to whomever. The states aren't an intermediary. That is even more holes. Each corporate entity will be subject to the political ideology of the CEO or the BOD. We will be missing data from entire counties, and have reporting from some portion of hospitals in any given city. We will be guessing at best. This is such a fucktastrophe. How is that any different than it has been to this point
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 17, 2020 20:04:06 GMT -5
True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway. The only problem is we need everyone to work together. I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening. They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now. Florida's governor has no regrets...yet. Though he has decided to tone down the RNC shindig. TX and AZ may be starting to see a sliver of light on this. But Trump's Little Runt Rump, our own No Reverse Ron? Are you kidding? Mr. "No Way We Are Going Backwards"? Not a chance. He would rather see people dead as the cost of doing business than take a chance on the economy. Never mind that at this rate, his stupidity will bring our economy to a standstill anyway. Between tourism losses, businesses closing or leaving and the climbing death rate, the notion of the state as "God's Waiting Room" is taking on a whole new and horrible meaning. And he's the one mismanaging the joint.
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