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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 25, 2020 13:30:38 GMT -5
Donald Trump seems to know very little about the coronavirus President Donald Trump has lots and lots of thoughts about the novel coronavirus that has crippled China and has been spreading worldwide. Unfortunately, most of those thoughts are either wrong or factually questionable. At a press conference during his visit to India on Tuesday, Trump made a number of claims about the virus, which has sickened 80,000 and killed 2,700, that were at best hugely optimistic and at worst deeply misleading. In that news conference, the President insisted that "they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine." There's no available evidence that a vaccine is "close," in fact, most infectious disease experts say developing a vaccine for the virus is roughly a year away. Because Trump is a known prevaricator and exaggerator, there is a tendency to view all of his mistruths through the there-he-goes-again lens. And to greet them with an eye roll. But there are mistruths and there MISTRUTHS. And when you are misleading people -- whether intentionally or not -- about a public health emergency, it's very much in that latter category. www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 25, 2020 14:00:57 GMT -5
I'm sure it's windmills that cause it. If we stop using wind mills and go back to coal people in China will not have corona virus.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 25, 2020 14:30:55 GMT -5
You have a president who knows more about disease than the CDC, knows more about nuclear energy than nuclear physicists, knows more about the military than the generals, knows more about the climate than climate scientists, knows more about renewables than any human on earth, knows the most about infrastructure, knows more about ISIS than anyone, etc., etc., etc.
Gosh, you must be so proud of this stable genius who's the smartest man on earth!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 25, 2020 14:34:49 GMT -5
Stephen Hawking would pay homage to him if he was still alive, no doubt.
I'd like to see Trump explain black holes. He'd probably say it's having sex with an African-American woman.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 25, 2020 15:40:13 GMT -5
I'm sure it's windmills that cause it. If we stop using wind mills and go back to coal people in China will not have corona virus. Keep your greedy little fingers of my windmills woman or I will have to borrow the YMAM 2X4... Wait... you are the one that has that 2X4. Never mind then, move along - nothing to see (but stay away from my windmills)
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2020 16:00:19 GMT -5
We can now expect trump to have all the medical experts in the CDC purged. They are not being loyal to trump by contradicting him. So 'ba-bye' to Nancy Messonnier. CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S.Federal health authorities said they now expect a wider spread of the new coronavirus in the U.S. and are preparing for a potential pandemic, though they still are unsure about how severe the health threat could be. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Tuesday the agency expects a sustained spread and called for businesses, schools and communities to brace themselves for potential outbreaks. “We expect we will see community spread in this country,” said Dr. Messonnier. “It’s more of a question of when.” CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S.
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Post by oped on Feb 25, 2020 16:10:16 GMT -5
I had lunch with my father today... it did not go well...
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 25, 2020 16:58:13 GMT -5
One of the top officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned Americans on Tuesday that health experts foresee the novel coronavirus that has killed thousands spreading in the United States. "We expect we will see community spread in this country," said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. "It's not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness." www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us-american-cases/index.htmlNothing to see here! Trump, the coronavirus expert, says it will go away by itself. "It's a problem that will just go away". Dumbass.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 25, 2020 17:20:41 GMT -5
I had lunch with my father today... it did not go well... Is your father a trump cultist?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2020 18:10:01 GMT -5
I had lunch with my father today... it did not go well... Is your father a trump cultist? Out of all my siblings, nieces, and nephews, only my youngest sibling voted for trump. He though trump would be good for the economy. He now won't vote for trump this year: too un-presidential, lies, and acts like a baby.
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Post by oped on Feb 26, 2020 6:40:11 GMT -5
I had lunch with my father today... it did not go well... Is your father a trump cultist? Yes
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 26, 2020 10:20:16 GMT -5
I'm truly sorry, oped...
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2020 10:35:27 GMT -5
Donald Trump seems to know very little about the coronavirus President Donald Trump has lots and lots of thoughts about the novel coronavirus that has crippled China and has been spreading worldwide. Unfortunately, most of those thoughts are either wrong or factually questionable. At a press conference during his visit to India on Tuesday, Trump made a number of claims about the virus, which has sickened 80,000 and killed 2,700, that were at best hugely optimistic and at worst deeply misleading. In that news conference, the President insisted that "they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine." There's no available evidence that a vaccine is "close," in fact, most infectious disease experts say developing a vaccine for the virus is roughly a year away. Because Trump is a known prevaricator and exaggerator, there is a tendency to view all of his mistruths through the there-he-goes-again lens. And to greet them with an eye roll. But there are mistruths and there MISTRUTHS. And when you are misleading people -- whether intentionally or not -- about a public health emergency, it's very much in that latter category. www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.htmlThe sad thing is the media is not really helping during primetime hours here in CNJ. I was slightly worried because given the name it was unlikely to bring about a worldwide thirst for Corona beer and far more likely to act on the cornea of the eye, which makes me unhappy. (Shingles got into my good eye and I am still healing) So far what little I have learned is that it may have to do with mucous membranes in the ear, nose & throat area. Other than that and it should be much less deadly than Ebola, I am in the dark. If only Trump hadn't decimiated the CDC and the appropriate response team, we might know more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 12:01:49 GMT -5
Excerpt; One team at Imperial College London in the U.K. believe COVID-19's R0 could be between 1.5 to 3.5, while others at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Automation have put it at 4.08. Healthcare teams are now working to get COVID-19's R0 to below 1, meaning its spread will decline and it will eventually die out. More at this link. www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-spread-contagious-everything-know-1486934For those afflicted with TDS, I have nothing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 26, 2020 12:44:15 GMT -5
Excerpt; One team at Imperial College London in the U.K. believe COVID-19's R0 could be between 1.5 to 3.5, while others at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Automation have put it at 4.08. Healthcare teams are now working to get COVID-19's R0 to below 1, meaning its spread will decline and it will eventually die out. More at this link. www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-spread-contagious-everything-know-1486934For those afflicted with TDS, I have nothing. That is what is the most important factor in transmission. How easily it spreads from person to person, and how it is spread, all unknowable early in the history of a novel disease. The problem with Trump is that he continues to give conflicting and false information, and contradicts what experts have to say, In addition, he makes shit up. Not helpful when information can change rapidly as knowledge about the infection accrues. Viruses also have a nasty habit of mutating during epidemics, so what we think we know turns out to be wrong. For these reasons, it is improtant to be honest and transparent. Not his best characteristics. He should be letting the people who have the specialized knowledge take the lead, and listen to there advice. We'll se if he can learn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 12:59:34 GMT -5
pulmonarymd I expect Trump to politically be Trump. The CDC is operating normally. I'm sure you're aware of the following, so it is for others here. Excerpt; Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Summary
This is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation and CDC will provide updated information as it becomes available, in addition to updated guidance.
Updated February 25, 2020
Background
CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China and which has now been detected in 37 locations internationally, including cases in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).
On January 30, 2020, the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee of the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern
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” (PHEIC). On January 31, 2020, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency (PHE) for the United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to COVID-1
More at the following. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 26, 2020 13:16:01 GMT -5
pulmonarymd I expect Trump to politically be Trump. The CDC is operating normally. I'm sure you're aware of the following, so it is for others here. Excerpt; Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Summary
This is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation and CDC will provide updated information as it becomes available, in addition to updated guidance.
Updated February 25, 2020
Background
CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China and which has now been detected in 37 locations internationally, including cases in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).
On January 30, 2020, the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee of the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern
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” (PHEIC). On January 31, 2020, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency (PHE) for the United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to COVID-1
More at the following. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html And that is exactly the problem. Truth is the most important factor in dealing with these situations, and the government should be working from the same playbook. Going off script and contradicting experts will cause problems, and if things get bad enough, panic. There are times when statesmanship and deferring to experts matters, something he fails to appreciate. The hope is that this is an infection that either turns out to be less severe than feared, or that the transmission can be contained. Not looking good so far.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2020 14:00:33 GMT -5
Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus responseThe Trump administration will pay for the coronavirus response in part by cutting funds from other health programs, including one that pays for heating and cooling assistance for the poor. Of the $136 million the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) plans to transfer from other health programs to bolster the coronavirus response, $37 million will come from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, according to a notice sent to Congress Tuesday night by the agency and obtained by The Hill. HHS will make several other transfers, including $63 million from the National Institutes of Health and $4.9 million from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, which funds mental health and substance abuse treatment and prevention. The Aging and Disability Services Programs will lose $4.2 million. HHS does not need congressional approval to transfer the funds. “It is not an easy decision to transfer funds from other HHS programs, but it provides needed resources to continue the Department’s robust and multi-layered public health preparedness and response efforts,” an HHS spokesperson said in a statement to The Hill. Complete article here: Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus response
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2020 16:58:49 GMT -5
Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus responseThe Trump administration will pay for the coronavirus response in part by cutting funds from other health programs, including one that pays for heating and cooling assistance for the poor. Of the $136 million the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) plans to transfer from other health programs to bolster the coronavirus response, $37 million will come from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, according to a notice sent to Congress Tuesday night by the agency and obtained by The Hill. HHS will make several other transfers, including $63 million from the National Institutes of Health and $4.9 million from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, which funds mental health and substance abuse treatment and prevention. The Aging and Disability Services Programs will lose $4.2 million. HHS does not need congressional approval to transfer the funds. “It is not an easy decision to transfer funds from other HHS programs, but it provides needed resources to continue the Department’s robust and multi-layered public health preparedness and response efforts,” an HHS spokesperson said in a statement to The Hill. Complete article here: Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus response MAGA!
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2020 18:36:11 GMT -5
Excerpt; One team at Imperial College London in the U.K. believe COVID-19's R0 could be between 1.5 to 3.5, while others at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Automation have put it at 4.08. Healthcare teams are now working to get COVID-19's R0 to below 1, meaning its spread will decline and it will eventually die out. More at this link. www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-spread-contagious-everything-know-1486934For those afflicted with TDS, I have nothing. That is what is the most important factor in transmission. How easily it spreads from person to person, and how it is spread, all unknowable early in the history of a novel disease. The problem with Trump is that he continues to give conflicting and false information, and contradicts what experts have to say, In addition, he makes shit up. Not helpful when information can change rapidly as knowledge about the infection accrues. Viruses also have a nasty habit of mutating during epidemics, so what we think we know turns out to be wrong. For these reasons, it is improtant to be honest and transparent. Not his best characteristics. He should be letting the people who have the specialized knowledge take the lead, and listen to there advice. We'll se if he can learn. He didn't learn when he got in a pissing contest with the expert meteorologists at NOAA when that hurricane didn't pass over Alabama like he said it would. Even had to hand craft his own charts with Sharpie to make it look like he wasn't an idiot. If that didn't teach him not to argue with scientists who know more than he does, nothing will. Plus, he's got a significant stake in making sure the economy stays positive up until the election - if the economy tanks, there's almost no good reason to vote for him again.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 26, 2020 18:41:59 GMT -5
Iran concerns me. They're reporting a much higher death rate (I think it was 12%) compared to other countries (2%) and speculation is that the Iranians are not going out into the countryside testing sick people for the virus. Sick people are only coming into the cities when they're very sick, which is why the death rate is higher. Who knows how many people with the disease are out in the country side, not getting quarantined because they aren't being tested. Then factor in the war zones that butt up against Iran, where quarantining (or testing) people just isn't going to happen, plus the refugee camps around Syria with so many people living in close quarters - it's really fertile ground for a pandemic.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 26, 2020 19:19:14 GMT -5
Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus responseThe Trump administration will pay for the coronavirus response in part by cutting funds from other health programs, including one that pays for heating and cooling assistance for the poor. Of the $136 million the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) plans to transfer from other health programs to bolster the coronavirus response, $37 million will come from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, according to a notice sent to Congress Tuesday night by the agency and obtained by The Hill. HHS will make several other transfers, including $63 million from the National Institutes of Health and $4.9 million from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, which funds mental health and substance abuse treatment and prevention. The Aging and Disability Services Programs will lose $4.2 million. HHS does not need congressional approval to transfer the funds. “It is not an easy decision to transfer funds from other HHS programs, but it provides needed resources to continue the Department’s robust and multi-layered public health preparedness and response efforts,” an HHS spokesperson said in a statement to The Hill. Complete article here: Trump administration to cut funds from health programs to pay for coronavirus response Cutting funds from health programs? Why not cut them from an already bloated military?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 26, 2020 19:42:06 GMT -5
Iran concerns me. They're reporting a much higher death rate (I think it was 12%) compared to other countries (2%) and speculation is that the Iranians are not going out into the countryside testing sick people for the virus. Sick people are only coming into the cities when they're very sick, which is why the death rate is higher. Who knows how many people with the disease are out in the country side, not getting quarantined because they aren't being tested. Then factor in the war zones that butt up against Iran, where quarantining (or testing) people just isn't going to happen, plus the refugee camps around Syria with so many people living in close quarters - it's really fertile ground for a pandemic. The death rate is going to be very difficult to determine. The symptoms are not distinct enough to be able to definitively diagnose it without testing, and it overlaps with the flu. In addition, the numbers in Iran are too small to get an accurate reading. The number from China is going to be a better representation of its actual mortality, unless it has mutated, then we are in in trouble. 2% is reasonable estimate from what I have seen. Significant, but in line with what some flu pandemics have produced. Iran, like China has political reasons to keep the number of infections low, and if most of the infections are away from urban centers, the real numbers will never be known
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 27, 2020 3:04:02 GMT -5
Mike Pence, who enabled an HIV outbreak in Indiana, will lead US coronavirus response Vice President Mike Pence will take charge of the US response to the new coronavirus, President Donald Trump announced today. “Mike is not a czar,” Trump said. “I don’t view Mike as a czar.” Pence is not a public health expert, either. Instead, as governor of Indiana, he slashed public health spending and delayed the introduction of needle exchanges, which led to the state’s worst outbreak of HIV. Pence also has a history of downplaying the link between smoking and lung cancer, writing in a 2000 op-ed that “despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill.” www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21155286/mike-pence-coronavirus-response-hiv
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 27, 2020 10:35:39 GMT -5
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 27, 2020 10:44:53 GMT -5
To be fair to Pence, he did approve a needle exchange. It took a while, but he did go against his own beliefs to take necessary action.
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