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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 18, 2020 12:44:13 GMT -5
Trump grants full pardon to former owner of the San Francisco 49ers Eddie DeBartolo Jr. WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump signed an executive order Tuesday granting a full pardon to Edward DeBartolo Jr., the former owner of the San Francisco 49ers for his involvement in a gambling fraud case in Louisiana in the late 1990s, according to White House spokesman Hogan Gidley. DeBartolo was suspended from the NFL in 1997 and fined $1 million over an extortion case involving then-Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards. As the star witness, DeBartolo testified that he paid Edwards $400,000 in exchange for his help in securing a riverboat casino license. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/18/trump-grants-full-pardon-former-san-francisco-49-ers-owner-debartolo/4793992002/Evidently, white collar crime is no longer a crime. Fraud, extortion, tax evasion....no problem, as long as you suck up to Trump and contributed to his campaign.
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Post by dondub on Feb 18, 2020 13:45:07 GMT -5
White collar crime has barely ever been a 'crime'. Can anyone name the bankers, mortgage bankers, investment bankers and Wall Streeters that went to prison for the scam that led to the BushCo. Crash?
Didn't think so even though the layers of fraud were epic.
Bottom line is the plutocrats and their owned political flunkies, a grand cabal of criminality, own US and do what they want to enrich themselves on the backs of normal Americans.
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Post by busymom on Feb 18, 2020 13:48:06 GMT -5
I think he's going to pardon a bunch of them now, in hopes of cashing in "favors" in the future. JMHO.
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Post by trippypea on Feb 18, 2020 14:00:13 GMT -5
He also pardoned Rod Blagojevich. I love his reasons why. "I saw his wife on tv" and "I don't know much about the guy, but his kids are getting older" and how he was in jail for making a perfect phone call. Sheesh.
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Post by mary2029 on Feb 18, 2020 14:06:46 GMT -5
I bet Bernie Madoff wished he had contributed to the Republican party rather than the Democratic one. "Madoff is now asking a judge to reverse that decision, saying in the Wednesday filing that he presents "extraordinary and compelling reasons" for compassionate release. He has also asked President Donald Trump to commute his sentence." link
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 18, 2020 14:10:13 GMT -5
He also pardoned Rod Blagojevich. I love his reasons why. "I saw his wife on tv" and "I don't know much about the guy, but his kids are getting older" and how he was in jail for making a perfect phone call. Sheesh. Hey at least this time it wasn't because Kim Kardashian asked nicely.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 18, 2020 14:14:09 GMT -5
The corrupt pardoning the corrupt. The fraudulent pardoning the fraudulent. The tax evader pardoning the tax evaders.
...and Americans just take it up the ass, while his supporters cry "Thank you Jesus, for sending us Trump!"
Unbelievable!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 18, 2020 14:22:53 GMT -5
If this happened in Canada, the Prime Minister would be removed by a "vote of no confidence".
"We no longer have confidence in your ability to lead. Get out. The tribe has spoken." Gone.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2020 20:56:39 GMT -5
Interesting that Trump pardoned a bunch of white collar criminals. Obama pardoned a bunch of people, but mostly they were people arrested for minor drug infractions, because he wanted to showcase the problem of non violent minor drug offenders getting long jail times.
I wonder what Trump wants to showcase? How horrible it is that white collar men have to go to jail with the regular riff raft?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2020 21:15:30 GMT -5
Interesting that Trump pardoned a bunch of white collar criminals. Obama pardoned a bunch of people, but mostly they were people arrested for minor drug infractions, because he wanted to showcase the problem of non violent minor drug offenders getting long jail times. I wonder what Trump wants to showcase? How horrible it is that white collar men have to go to jail with the regular riff raft? He’s got a lot of openings in the administration. What better way to ensure the loyalty of your underlings?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 21:43:38 GMT -5
Regardless of reason I do think commuting Blago's sentence at this point is appropriate, I thought his sentence was excessive for the crimes.
He was originally sentenced to 14 years for 18 convictions, after sentencing 5 convictions were overturned and the same judge still gave him 14 years at resentencing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 18, 2020 22:06:07 GMT -5
Trump is running the country like a Mafia Don. If you're a Goodfella, you can break the law with impunity.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2020 23:27:16 GMT -5
GOP campaign donor in Texas among President Trump's pardonsPaul Pogue, who founded Pogue Construction near Dallas, was among 11 people pardoned during a clemency blitz that included Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and former New York Police Department commissioner Bernie Kerik. Pogue Construction is now run by Ben Pogue, Paul Pogue's son, who donated $85,000 last year to Trump Victory, the joint fundraising committee for the president’s reelection campaign and Republican National Committee. Ben Pogue also maxed out to the Trump presidential campaign, giving $5,600 in August 2019. GOP campaign donor in Texas among President Trump's pardons
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 19, 2020 6:10:29 GMT -5
Two Americas....one for the rich and one for the poor.
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Post by trippypea on Feb 19, 2020 8:44:01 GMT -5
He also pardoned Rod Blagojevich. I love his reasons why. "I saw his wife on tv" and "I don't know much about the guy, but his kids are getting older" and how he was in jail for making a perfect phone call. Sheesh. Hey at least this time it wasn't because Kim Kardashian asked nicely. I'm no fan of the Kardashians, but at least the person she pushed for, Alice Johnson, deserved a reprieve. And she didn't even get a full pardon, all she got was clemency. You have to commit obstruction of justice, bribery, or perjury to be eligible for a full pardon under the Trump administration.
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Post by busymom on Feb 19, 2020 8:55:08 GMT -5
Two Americas....one for the rich and one for the poor. We've always had two Americas, one for the rich & one for the poor. But, now the divide is getting much more obvious.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 19, 2020 9:05:14 GMT -5
Two Americas....one for the rich and one for the poor. We've always had two Americas, one for the rich & one for the poor. But, now the divide is getting much more obvious. The rich used to be more clever and try and hide it. Now, the rich open celebrate the fact they can do anything. It isn't a good look.
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Post by seriousthistime on Feb 19, 2020 9:40:45 GMT -5
Regardless of reason I do think commuting Blago's sentence at this point is appropriate, I thought his sentence was excessive for the crimes. He was originally sentenced to 14 years for 18 convictions, after sentencing 5 convictions were overturned and the same judge still gave him 14 years at resentencing. I have to disagree. Despite 5 of the counts being overturned on appeal, the core of his wrongful conduct remained. In my opinion he got what he deserved. He was facing more time than that, and was serving concurrent (not consecutive) sentences. When they're concurrent, knocking a few counts off the conviction doesn't necessarily reduce the sentence. Federal prisoners only serve 85% of their sentences in most cases.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 10:12:14 GMT -5
Regardless of reason I do think commuting Blago's sentence at this point is appropriate, I thought his sentence was excessive for the crimes. He was originally sentenced to 14 years for 18 convictions, after sentencing 5 convictions were overturned and the same judge still gave him 14 years at resentencing. I have to disagree. Despite 5 of the counts being overturned on appeal, the core of his wrongful conduct remained. In my opinion he got what he deserved. He was facing more time than that, and was serving concurrent (not consecutive) sentences. When they're concurrent, knocking a few counts off the conviction doesn't necessarily reduce the sentence. Federal prisoners only serve 85% of their sentences in most cases. So you seriously thought he deserved 14 years for that? I thought 7 years was pretty substantial and appropriate. I'm just not sure what keeping him locked up for 7 more years in a camp without a fence in Colorado is accomplishing with the taxpayer footing the bill that 7 years hasn't already done.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2020 10:48:14 GMT -5
There is a process in place to assist a President in determining the appropriateness of granting parsons and clemency. OfFICE OF THE PARDON ATTORNEY It is the capricious nature of Trump's actions that bother me.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 19, 2020 10:55:01 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Despite 5 of the counts being overturned on appeal, the core of his wrongful conduct remained. In my opinion he got what he deserved. He was facing more time than that, and was serving concurrent (not consecutive) sentences. When they're concurrent, knocking a few counts off the conviction doesn't necessarily reduce the sentence. Federal prisoners only serve 85% of their sentences in most cases. So you seriously thought he deserved 14 years for that? I thought 7 years was pretty substantial and appropriate. I'm just not sure what keeping him locked up for 7 more years in a camp without a fence in Colorado is accomplishing with the taxpayer footing the bill that 7 years hasn't already done. I feel the same way about those hundreds of thousands of black men that were caught with a little weed and are doing a decade of time.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -5
There is a process in place to assist a President in determining the appropriateness of granting parsons and clemency. OfFICE OF THE PARDON ATTORNEY It is the capricious nature of Trump's actions that bother me. trump: “I’m actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country. But I’ve chosen not to be involved.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:44:15 GMT -5
So you seriously thought he deserved 14 years for that? I thought 7 years was pretty substantial and appropriate. I'm just not sure what keeping him locked up for 7 more years in a camp without a fence in Colorado is accomplishing with the taxpayer footing the bill that 7 years hasn't already done. I feel the same way about those hundreds of thousands of black men that were caught with a little weed and are doing a decade of time. I do as well, if I were Czar I would legalize weed and clear those records.
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Post by dondub on Feb 19, 2020 16:57:31 GMT -5
There is a process in place to assist a President in determining the appropriateness of granting parsons and clemency. OfFICE OF THE PARDON ATTORNEY It is the capricious nature of Trump's actions that bother me. trump: “I’m actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country. But I’ve chosen not to be involved.” He's not even the chief law enforcement officer of his own zipper.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2020 17:00:23 GMT -5
trump: “I’m actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country. But I’ve chosen not to be involved.” He's not even the chief law enforcement officer of his own zipper. Yea. it's the wild west 'down there'. No sheriff in town.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 19, 2020 17:15:58 GMT -5
I feel the same way about those hundreds of thousands of black men that were caught with a little weed and are doing a decade of time. I do as well, if I were Czar I would legalize weed and clear those records. It looks like you can now become president and do whatever you want. So, legalizing weed and shooting someone in the middle of fifth Avenue (as long as you believe that it is in the best interest of the country) can be the first two things you do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2020 17:31:16 GMT -5
SATIRE FROM THE BOROWITZ REPORT MEXICO TIGHTENS BORDER AFTER TRUMP PARDONS WHITE-COLLAR CRIMINALS
By Andy Borowitz MEXICO CITY (The Borowitz Report)—The government of Mexico announced that it was tightening its border with the United States “effective immediately” after Donald Trump pardoned a host of white-collar criminals on Tuesday. Speaking to reporters, the President of Mexico, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, said that Mexican border agents were on alert to prevent any recipients of Trump’s pardons from crossing into their country. “They’re bringing bribery, they’re bringing tax evasion, they’re bringing racketeering,” Obrador said. “I wish I could say that some of them were good people, but that does not appear to be the case.” Obrador said that border agents had been given “special instructions” to block the entry of Rod Blagojevich, the former governor of Illinois, whom he called “El Blago.” Complete article here: MEXICO TIGHTENS BORDER AFTER TRUMP PARDONS WHITE-COLLAR CRIMINALS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 17:45:48 GMT -5
I do as well, if I were Czar I would legalize weed and clear those records. It looks like you can now become president and do whatever you want. So, legalizing weed and shooting someone in the middle of fifth Avenue (as long as you believe that it is in the best interest of the country) can be the first two things you do. I have no idea where you’re going with this, I have many disagreements with this administration, I just think they got the Blago commutation correct even though I have a different opinion on why it was warranted. Pardon power is in the constitution, there have been several I have personally disagreed with in several administrations, but that is one area Trump is not overstepping his bounds, unless you are talking pardoning himself, I strongly disagree that is allowed.
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