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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 20, 2020 14:06:38 GMT -5
African Americans receive some of the worst health care in the nation (and that is saying a lot considering where we rank in the world to begin with) and have a much higher infant/maternal mortality rate than white women. African American men are arrested more often and receive harsher sentences for crimes than their white counterparts. Socieconomically with the rise of charter schools and other "alternative" education many areas are experiencing "white flight" and taking all that money with them. Leaving public schools underfunded and basically legalizing "separate but equal" all over again. Statistically a lot of people in poverty are minorities and the Republicans are cutting benefits. The Republican party also is busy making damn sure their districts are drawn in such a way that minority votes cannot outweigh the white vote, ensuring their victory. Disinfranchising black votes has a long dark history in this country, we've just gotten a lot more technological about how we do it. Gee I wonder why the African American community isn't thrilled to pieces with Trump. I mean he gave them 0% unemployment and we allowed them to have one black president WTF more do they want?
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Post by dondub on Jan 20, 2020 14:45:17 GMT -5
Imagine if all those guys congregating in VA with their assault rifles were black. People would be pissing themselves out of fear and saying the government has to do something about those thugs. Put an assault rifle in a white guy's hands, and he's a patriot. Those 2 Black Panthers protecting Black voters outside the polling place caused Depends sales to increase 37%. And it’s still mentioned years later like they were starting a race war.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 20, 2020 14:52:31 GMT -5
African Americans receive some of the worst health care in the nation (and that is saying a lot considering where we rank in the world to begin with) and have a much higher infant/maternal mortality rate than white women. African American men are arrested more often and receive harsher sentences for crimes than their white counterparts. Socieconomically with the rise of charter schools and other "alternative" education many areas are experiencing "white flight" and taking all that money with them. Leaving public schools underfunded and basically legalizing "separate but equal" all over again.Statistically a lot of people in poverty are minorities and the Republicans are cutting benefits. The Republican party also is busy making damn sure their districts are drawn in such a way that minority votes cannot outweigh the white vote, ensuring their victory. Disinfranchising black votes has a long dark history in this country, we've just gotten a lot more technological about how we do it. Gee I wonder why the African American community isn't thrilled to pieces with Trump. I mean he gave them 0% unemployment and we allowed them to have one black president WTF more do they want? There is a reason that there is "white flight' and it isn't always racism. I've told this story before but I will tell it again. From grades 1-5, my children were part of a very large school district that had several elementary schools that fed into three high schools. They all received the same funding as they were the same district. But one school was failing miserably. It had gangs, horrible test scores, parents that just didn't care, kids that were completely disrespectful and so on. People that had the means to did flee from the school. Either by moving out of the district , winning a spot at our only local charter school or, to a lessor extent, private school. But it wasn't racism that caused the people to move schools. It was that the school turned into a horrible school. I've seen the test scores. My ex worked in the school and saw the gangs (he was told to just "move aside" and not make eye contact because it wasn't safe by the principle). So the people that care about their children left the school and the kids left are the kids with parents that either can't move due to finances or don't care. But looking at the demographics of that school, it is mainly minorities now. So it would be very easy to say that there was "white flight" because people are racist instead of understanding how bad the school was and that people had good reason to yank their kids from it. And this a high school that my father and his siblings graduated from as did a few of my cousins. It's heartbreaking to see what has happened to that school.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 16:02:18 GMT -5
Imagine if all those guys congregating in VA with their assault rifles were black. People would be pissing themselves out of fear and saying the government has to do something about those thugs. Put an assault rifle in a white guy's hands, and he's a patriot. Those 2 Black Panthers protecting Black voters outside the polling place caused Depends sales to increase 37%. And it’s still mentioned years later like they were starting a race war. people who shake in their boots about Black Panthers almost to a PERSON don't know jack shit about Black Panthers.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 16:32:26 GMT -5
Of course some were not slaves. such as the first man to die in the Revolution, Crispus Attucks.
Now back to that link I requested... I already gave him the numbers.
5/7 black Americans were descended from slaves.
2/7 (including Obama) were not. of those 2/7, approximately 0/7 were descended from slave owners.
it's really not that complicated.
I can help OC out here- the two groups in question have the same UE rate.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 20, 2020 16:34:37 GMT -5
Those 2 Black Panthers protecting Black voters outside the polling place caused Depends sales to increase 37%. And it’s still mentioned years later like they were starting a race war. people who shake in their boots about Black Panthers almost to a PERSON don't know jack shit about Black Panthers. The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsWith each passing day, the debate for or against gun control rages on within the United States. And although the National Rifle Association (NRA) currently leads the charge for the rights of citizens to carry guns of all types with little to no interference from the government, the original gun rights advocates to take that stance were the Black Panthers. Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.” The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions. “The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.” Complete article here including how the NRA supported the Mulford Act: The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsAnd another article to back up this article: When the NRA Supported Gun Control
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 16:36:18 GMT -5
African Americans receive some of the worst health care in the nation (and that is saying a lot considering where we rank in the world to begin with) and have a much higher infant/maternal mortality rate than white women. African American men are arrested more often and receive harsher sentences for crimes than their white counterparts. ? if we take just these two things, and consider the invariable multigenerational consequences, it is little wonder that black and brown people disproportionately occupy the lower income rungs in the US.
expected reply is some facsimile of "yes, and it is entirely their fault because they are ******", where ****** = lazy, drug using, fat, violent or some other white entitlement excuse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 16:38:57 GMT -5
people who shake in their boots about Black Panthers almost to a PERSON don't know jack shit about Black Panthers. The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsWith each passing day, the debate for or against gun control rages on within the United States. And although the National Rifle Association (NRA) currently leads the charge for the rights of citizens to carry guns of all types with little to no interference from the government, the original gun rights advocates to take that stance were the Black Panthers. Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.” The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions. “The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.” Complete article here including how the NRA supported the Mulford Act: The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsAnd another article to back up this article: When the NRA Supported Gun Controlprecisely.
the Black Panthers were asserting their 2nd Amendment rights. they were also perhaps the least sexist organization in America at the time. they also had massive social welfare programs for a group of their size. in short, they did a lot of good for America and for the community they served.
but all we see is pictures of angry negroes* with guns.
*intentionally slurred for irony.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 20, 2020 16:42:44 GMT -5
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsWith each passing day, the debate for or against gun control rages on within the United States. And although the National Rifle Association (NRA) currently leads the charge for the rights of citizens to carry guns of all types with little to no interference from the government, the original gun rights advocates to take that stance were the Black Panthers. Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.” The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions. “The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.” Complete article here including how the NRA supported the Mulford Act: The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsAnd another article to back up this article: When the NRA Supported Gun Control precisely.
the Black Panthers were asserting their 2nd Amendment rights. they were also perhaps the least sexist organization in America at the time. they also had massive social welfare programs for a group of their size. in short, they did a lot of good for America and for the community they served.
but all we see is pictures of angry negroes* with guns.
*intentionally slurred for irony.
Uppity* would fit in that sentence too. *Ditto.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 16:51:34 GMT -5
I just had a fleeting thought: "is the opposition to gun control fundamentally racist"? just a thought.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 20, 2020 16:55:21 GMT -5
There is a reason that there is "white flight' and it isn't always racism. I've told this story before but I will tell it again. From grades 1-5, my children were part of a very large school district that had several elementary schools that fed into three high schools. They all received the same funding as they were the same district. But one school was failing miserably. It had gangs, horrible test scores, parents that just didn't care, kids that were completely disrespectful and so on. People that had the means to did flee from the school. Either by moving out of the district , winning a spot at our only local charter school or, to a lessor extent, private school. But it wasn't racism that caused the people to move schools. It was that the school turned into a horrible school. I've seen the test scores. My ex worked in the school and saw the gangs (he was told to just "move aside" and not make eye contact because it wasn't safe by the principle). So the people that care about their children left the school and the kids left are the kids with parents that either can't move due to finances or don't care. But looking at the demographics of that school, it is mainly minorities now. So it would be very easy to say that there was "white flight" because people are racist instead of understanding how bad the school was and that people had good reason to yank their kids from it. And this a high school that my father and his siblings graduated from as did a few of my cousins. It's heartbreaking to see what has happened to that school. Yes, I am sure. I wouldn't want to live in Flint MI, Lawrence MA or Lewiston ME either, let alone any of those "big city" slum areas. That's not racism, it's just not wanting to live in blighted areas. How lucky for me I wasn't born into them! I don't think acknowledging "white flight" is alleging racism necessarily, but it is acknowledging that some people can easily avoid the blight, and some can't. Those who can avoid it are statistically more likely to be white, just as we are more likely to grow up in owned homes, have help with college, and have money left to us. What I am about to say is going to sound racist but it's really not meant to be (I know, that's what all racists say!). What causes the blight? I say this with sincerity because the area I'm talking about was always a poor area. My father and his 4 siblings grew up in the area and they were dirt poor. My aunt lived in the area once married and they weren't dirt poor but certainly lower income (she worked in a dress factory). The school was never like it is now. We were almost 100% white at that point. Then the minorities moved in because cheap housing and very easy access to section 8 housing. That was the turning point. Unfortunately, people moved here wanting a better way of life for their children (which I think is great) but they brought their inner-city issues with them. Now the whites have moved out and guess what, it is like an inner-city now. And then the accusations of racism start, as if the white people moving out is what caused the blight. If the city was nice, people would stay.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 20, 2020 17:05:19 GMT -5
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsWith each passing day, the debate for or against gun control rages on within the United States. And although the National Rifle Association (NRA) currently leads the charge for the rights of citizens to carry guns of all types with little to no interference from the government, the original gun rights advocates to take that stance were the Black Panthers. Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.” The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions. “The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.” Complete article here including how the NRA supported the Mulford Act: The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the WeaponsAnd another article to back up this article: When the NRA Supported Gun Control precisely.
the Black Panthers were asserting their 2nd Amendment rights. they were also perhaps the least sexist organization in America at the time. they also had massive social welfare programs for a group of their size. in short, they did a lot of good for America and for the community they served.
but all we see is pictures of angry negroes* with guns.
*intentionally slurred for irony.
I've read a bit about them lately since expanding my reading list. Between reading about that, the "war on drugs" and our current prison system I've been sitting here wondering what else I've been lead to believe all my life that turns out is deeply steeped in racism (or any other -ism for that matter).
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 20, 2020 17:21:36 GMT -5
Black people were technically 100% employed during slavery. Yet their lives still sucked the suckiest suck that ever sucked. Isn't it amazing that one single statistic doesn't tell a complete story. There were some that were not slaves. I believe you missed the point of my statement. Probably on purpose.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 20, 2020 17:25:19 GMT -5
There were some that were not slaves. I believe you missed the point of my statement. Probably on purpose. You are too kind.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2020 17:49:09 GMT -5
... What causes the blight? ... At 17 I was living with my girlfriend in an apartment in a college district. We were hosting a small party with some out of town friends. I and a guy they had brought with them decided to go for walk. We each had a beer. Apparently the cops had busted another party in the area. They went through the front door and a bunch of underage people went out the back. A couple cops who were gathering them up stepped out of some bushes, asked us for ID, and took us into custody. The guy I was with was 18 (drinking age was 19 at that time) so they dropped me off at the juvenile department and were taking him to the adult facility. As he was leaving I told him to, "Be cool." A short time later one of the cops came back and questioned me on what I had meant by telling him to, "Be cool." Turns out he had some hashish in his billfold. I worked to, honestly, convince the cop I had no idea he had it. I guess I was successful because it wasn't on any of the court paperwork and I was not prevented from joining the service, being honorably discharged, and using the GI Bill to pay for college. Have had a good life. Would it have gone down the same way if I were black or did I benefit from white privilege? Will never know. But I think about it when people ask questions about why blacks don't escape from poverty.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 20, 2020 19:31:22 GMT -5
What I am about to say is going to sound racist but it's really not meant to be (I know, that's what all racists say!). What causes the blight? I say this with sincerity because the area I'm talking about was always a poor area. My father and his 4 siblings grew up in the area and they were dirt poor. My aunt lived in the area once married and they weren't dirt poor but certainly lower income (she worked in a dress factory). The school was never like it is now. We were almost 100% white at that point. Then the minorities moved in because cheap housing and very easy access to section 8 housing. That was the turning point. Unfortunately, people moved here wanting a better way of life for their children (which I think is great) but they brought their inner-city issues with them. Now the whites have moved out and guess what, it is like an inner-city now. And then the accusations of racism start, as if the white people moving out is what caused the blight. If the city was nice, people would stay. Inner city issues.
Yes, I think you nailed it. I am not a social scientist, so this is way beyond my knowledge base to confidently analyze, but I believe you will find a lot of the answers ensconced and wrapped around that. The culture that was created and persists. Call it what you will. I also do not have the answers, and I wish I did. I do know though that there are institutional and societal impediments to progress of some people, and that we can and should continue to address those. For instance, Black Lives Matter. We have Inner Cities too, but nowhere near those kinds of problems.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 20, 2020 20:46:30 GMT -5
Inner city issues.
Yes, I think you nailed it. I am not a social scientist, so this is way beyond my knowledge base to confidently analyze, but I believe you will find a lot of the answers ensconced and wrapped around that. The culture that was created and persists. Call it what you will. I also do not have the answers, and I wish I did. I do know though that there are institutional and societal impediments to progress of some people, and that we can and should continue to address those. For instance, Black Lives Matter. We have Inner Cities too, but nowhere near those kinds of problems. i sense that the phrase "inner city issues" glosses over the problem, but i am having trouble describing why.
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Nice try, Kellyanne, but no cigar. Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching TrumpWhite House counselor Kellyanne Conway said on Martin Luther King Jr. Day that the late civil rights icon would not support impeaching President Trump. The comment came after Conway was asked by a reporter Monday how the president plans to observe the holiday. “Well, I can tell you that the president is preparing for Davos and agrees with many of the things that Dr. Martin Luther King stood for and agreed with for many years, including unity and equality,” she began to respond. “And he’s not the one trying to tear the country apart through an impeachment process and a lack of substance that really is very shameful at this point. long time,” Conway continued, “but when you see the articles of impeachment that came out, I don’t think it was within Dr. King’s vision to have Americans dragged through a process where the president is not going to be removed from office, is not being charged with bribery, extortion, high crimes or misdemeanors.” “And I think that anybody who cares about ‘and justice for all’ on today or any day of the year will appreciate the fact that the president now will have a full throttle defense on the facts," she added. Complete article here: Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching Trump
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 20, 2020 23:18:48 GMT -5
“Well, I can tell you that the president is preparing for Davos and agrees with many of the things that Dr. Martin Luther King stood for and agreed with for many years, including unity and equality,”
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2020 0:47:52 GMT -5
Nice try, Kellyanne, but no cigar. Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching TrumpWhite House counselor Kellyanne Conway said on Martin Luther King Jr. Day that the late civil rights icon would not support impeaching President Trump. The comment came after Conway was asked by a reporter Monday how the president plans to observe the holiday. “Well, I can tell you that the president is preparing for Davos and agrees with many of the things that Dr. Martin Luther King stood for and agreed with for many years, including unity and equality,” she began to respond. “And he’s not the one trying to tear the country apart through an impeachment process and a lack of substance that really is very shameful at this point. long time,” Conway continued, “but when you see the articles of impeachment that came out, I don’t think it was within Dr. King’s vision to have Americans dragged through a process where the president is not going to be removed from office, is not being charged with bribery, extortion, high crimes or misdemeanors.” “And I think that anybody who cares about ‘and justice for all’ on today or any day of the year will appreciate the fact that the president now will have a full throttle defense on the facts," she added. Complete article here: Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching Trumphe's not being charged with it, but it probably falls under his abuse of power charge.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 21, 2020 6:54:00 GMT -5
Yes, I am sure. I wouldn't want to live in Flint MI, Lawrence MA or Lewiston ME either, let alone any of those "big city" slum areas. That's not racism, it's just not wanting to live in blighted areas. How lucky for me I wasn't born into them! I don't think acknowledging "white flight" is alleging racism necessarily, but it is acknowledging that some people can easily avoid the blight, and some can't. Those who can avoid it are statistically more likely to be white, just as we are more likely to grow up in owned homes, have help with college, and have money left to us. What I am about to say is going to sound racist but it's really not meant to be (I know, that's what all racists say!). What causes the blight? I say this with sincerity because the area I'm talking about was always a poor area. My father and his 4 siblings grew up in the area and they were dirt poor. My aunt lived in the area once married and they weren't dirt poor but certainly lower income (she worked in a dress factory). The school was never like it is now. We were almost 100% white at that point. Then the minorities moved in because cheap housing and very easy access to section 8 housing. That was the turning point. Unfortunately, people moved here wanting a better way of life for their children (which I think is great) but they brought their inner-city issues with them. Now the whites have moved out and guess what, it is like an inner-city now. And then the accusations of racism start, as if the white people moving out is what caused the blight. If the city was nice, people would stay. I'm not a social scientist, but some of the reasons for the blight: poor men are more likely to get arrested for things like having a joint where wealthier men can afford a lawyer (or their families can afford a good lawyer) so poor kids get police records when wealthier kids don't.Poor kids are less likely to use pot than suburban kids, but poor kids are much more likely to be arrested for having drugs than suburban kids. Finding a job with a police record is significantly harder. A lot of teachers don't want to teach in schools with poor kids so schools in poor areas can't attract the best teachers, plus the parents in poor schools can't raise money through a PTO to provide extra funds for schools like middle class schools can. A poor kid is much less likely to have a father living in the home, either because the dad is in jail, or because the welfare system won't allow 'able bodied' men to live in public housing. If you don't have money or insurance, drug treatment is almost nonexistence. Poor women trying to support their families on their own have a hard time finding quality affordable daycare they can afford. And people can work a full time, 40 hour work week and still not have enough money to pay for rent, food, health insurance, etc. which means working moms might have 2 - 3 jobs, leaving their kids alone or with poor quality daycare. I'm referring to these as 'poor' people because this is a class issue, not a race issue. There are plenty of poor white people here in the Appalachians sucked into the same spiral of poverty that impacts the inner cities.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 21, 2020 8:36:11 GMT -5
"White Flight" started post Civil War during the "Great Migration" when southern African Americans started moving north for better opportunities. While the North may have represented "anti-slavery" according to history books they drew the line at sharing their neighborhoods with those people and allowing them to "take their jobs" (sound familiar?) so they started moving further out from the city into these new fashioned things called suburbs.
Doing that they took their money with them. Then to make sure minorities couldn't follow them they instituted discriminatory renting and banking legislation that still happens to this day. That put anyone who wasn't a middle class cis-white (preferably male and Protestant too) person behind the eight ball before they could even get started. These practices still exist today and our current administration wants to dismantle those protections in the name of "religious freedom".
It sped up again in the 60s when schools were forced to intergrate. Again people were not going to let their children be exposed to "those people" so they started their own schools where wealth can keep out those we deem unworthy.
These practices have continued to the point where now we have "inner cities" which is code for "Well if those lazy good for nothing immoral ::insert person we don't like here:: would just pull themselves up by their bootstraps like I did then they wouldn't have these problems. Clearly they deserve it". Kinda hard to pull yourself up when you weren't given any boots to start with.
That idea comes from our Puritan heritage where the belief was if something bad happened to you clearly God was pissed at you and he must be pissed at you because you are an awful immortal being. This allowed people to justify all sorts of atrocities (such as mass genocide of the native people).
There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting what is best for your kids. However when you start chipping away at the surface and examine how it is you can achieve "the best" for your kids it gets ugly.
To be fair it's not just a racial issue, it's a socioeconomic one. We are having a major crises in midwestern states with rural areas that have been left to rot. Places like coal mining towns in Appalachia face a similar situation. They make great talking points for politicians but we're not going to change anything because that would mean having to give up the crumbs of power we get from maintaining the status quo.
It's uncomfortable to recognize that I benefit from being born a white cis-female. Does that mean everything in my life comes from that, of course not. However I am not buying into the American illusion that it was all me, myself and I either. People of a certain race, gender, religion and sexuality greatly benefit from those things in this country. I want to see the playing field leveled. Do I think Democrats are the answer, not exactly, but Republicans sure as hell have made it clear who they stand for. I can't stomach propping up the system in exchange for the couple of crumbs I'm tossed. So Democrat it is.
*And on the subject of suburbs another unintended consequence is we're going to be facing a major aging crisis in a few years as boomers are unable to drive and cities are not putting any money into public transportation while giving tax cuts to companies in exchange for moving farther and farther outside city limits. So no it's not just a race issue, that happens to be it's roots. Now it's a far reaching monster that we have continued to kick down the road to the point where it's going to really hurt.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2020 11:44:02 GMT -5
there is also redlining, which was practiced until fairly recently.
systemic racism is still there. it is just more subtle than it once was.
except in Trumpland.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 21, 2020 12:13:47 GMT -5
Nice try, Kellyanne, but no cigar. Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching TrumpWhite House counselor Kellyanne Conway said on Martin Luther King Jr. Day that the late civil rights icon would not support impeaching President Trump. The comment came after Conway was asked by a reporter Monday how the president plans to observe the holiday. “Well, I can tell you that the president is preparing for Davos and agrees with many of the things that Dr. Martin Luther King stood for and agreed with for many years, including unity and equality,” she began to respond. “And he’s not the one trying to tear the country apart through an impeachment process and a lack of substance that really is very shameful at this point. long time,” Conway continued, “but when you see the articles of impeachment that came out, I don’t think it was within Dr. King’s vision to have Americans dragged through a process where the president is not going to be removed from office, is not being charged with bribery, extortion, high crimes or misdemeanors.” “And I think that anybody who cares about ‘and justice for all’ on today or any day of the year will appreciate the fact that the president now will have a full throttle defense on the facts," she added. Complete article here: Kellyanne Conway: Martin Luther King would oppose impeaching Trumphe's not being charged with it, but it probably falls under his abuse of power charge. And this ladies and gentlemen is probably why the man on the golden throne wants to get rid of The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. If bribing is no longer illegal how can we hold his behavior against him?
nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/report-trump-tried-legalize-bribery-ukraine-impeachment-corruption.html
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:14:39 GMT -5
Kinda interesting, just yesterday, I have a new customer, previously a banker, very intelligent, articulate, very impressed with his people handling skills. Turns out he is a staunch conservative, now business man,
It all comes together, In the short time I dealt with him, I like him a lot, My wife and I will invite him his wife and children to dinner at first chance! Oh yea, he is black! we are going to do a lot of business together! And I invited him to check out this board!
It's interesting that you met a conservative, intelligent and articulate ex banker who's black? stereotype much? I would give him the benefit of the doubt on his story. I still see the two black guys with the Confederate flag on the back of their pickup truck at times, while having coffee at the Casey's gas station in town. I still talk to them a bit when they come in. I was roundly criticized for bringing them up as not real, or you're claiming to have black friends etc, in those Confederate flag threads a while back. When I lived in Illinois, my friend/neighbor 2 doors down in an urban area was black and a doctor, chiropractor/medical examiner. He moved to Minnesota in 1998 (snowmobile nut, lol), I moved to Arkansas in 2000, we're not in contact anymore but we spent a lot of time together when were close neighbors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:41:10 GMT -5
Isn't that what was being said about Obama ? What goes around comes around. Quote; I n another example of unnecessarily inserting himself into a sensitive racial issue, Obama proclaimed after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Again, making that correlation was completely unnecessary – it served no purpose other than to make non-black Americans feel guilty and uncomfortable.thepoliticalinsider.com/20-reasons-obama-most-divisive-president-history/As a non-black woman, I did not feel guilty or uncomfortable. It seemed like a statement of fact to me. I didn't either. Still, saying it was racist, and an unnecessary correlation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:47:40 GMT -5
Isn't that what was being said about Obama ? What goes around comes around. Quote; I n another example of unnecessarily inserting himself into a sensitive racial issue, Obama proclaimed after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
Again, making that correlation was completely unnecessary – it served no purpose other than to make non-black Americans feel guilty and uncomfortable. thepoliticalinsider.com/20-reasons-obama-most-divisive-president-history/There is a question with which we have (probably) all at one time or another driven our parents crazy. And then we grew up and most of us forgot the question until we had kids of our own. I have not forgotten that question twice, but it seems you may have JMA. The question is "why?" . Why did this comment make you feel uncomfortable? Why do you eel the need to attack the message rather than look at what it means? Is it possible that the truth of the statement forces you to accept that having a black president does not mean that racism is on its way out? That we as a society are not as advanced as we love to pretend? Live would be much better for many people if we just would be willing to do the work and look very hard at the motives behind our reasoning. If we were not so willing to go with "because xyz (be that a religious text, some philosophy, or even a law) says so. It didn't. (bolded) It's just one of the things that made Obama a very divisive president. My feelings on what he did were somewhat 'meh'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:50:20 GMT -5
The point is that during slavery, there was probably almost 0 unemployment for blacks in the US, but that didn't mean blacks were happy. A lot of people (of all colors) work a full time job and can't make ends meet due to the high cost of housing and day care compared to low wages. The middle class hasn't seen a net raise in their income in a couple decades. These people either have to work 2 or 3 jobs to get a head, or they tread water. My point being, having a job doesn't necessarily mean you're thriving. 73% of black Americans were descended from slaves.
approximately 0% were descended from slave owners.
the relationship between boss and worker is a milder form of slave-master relationship. the authority is no longer absolute, but it is still there.
Approximately 0% ?
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 21, 2020 12:55:12 GMT -5
There is a question with which we have (probably) all at one time or another driven our parents crazy. And then we grew up and most of us forgot the question until we had kids of our own. I have not forgotten that question twice, but it seems you may have JMA. The question is "why?" . Why did this comment make you feel uncomfortable? Why do you eel the need to attack the message rather than look at what it means? Is it possible that the truth of the statement forces you to accept that having a black president does not mean that racism is on its way out? That we as a society are not as advanced as we love to pretend? Live would be much better for many people if we just would be willing to do the work and look very hard at the motives behind our reasoning. If we were not so willing to go with "because xyz (be that a religious text, some philosophy, or even a law) says so. It didn't. (bolded) It's just one of the things that made Obama a very divisive president. My feelings on what he did were somewhat 'meh'. Glad to hear that it didn't make you uncomfortable. Yet you claim it did so for white Americans. Why? And if it did make them uncomfortable why do you think that is a bad/divisive thing? Introspection is needed in a society as divided as ours if we ever want to become less divided. The status quo will never get us there
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 21, 2020 15:34:36 GMT -5
73% of black Americans were descended from slaves.
approximately 0% were descended from slave owners.
the relationship between boss and worker is a milder form of slave-master relationship. the authority is no longer absolute, but it is still there.
Approximately 0% ? My thoughts too. What about all the children that came from owners either raping their slaves, or the supposedly loving relationships between an owner and his property. There was a financial incentive to have your female slave give birth, as you now own another slave, which will become valuable at some point in the near future. I believe there is quite a bit of evidence to prove that some black people are descendants of slave owners. Finding your Roots was able to trace Ty Burrell back to a master-slave relationship that produced his 4th great grandmother. Either they lied, or they found the one single family lineage that came from a super rare occurence of white men having sex with slaves, or most likely, it wasn't super uncommon. We have a lot of light skinned black people in this country, and they didn't magically lighten up, and it started long before the civil war.
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