Trade deal doubts?

[kadee79]

In all, China could make almost $95 billion in additional purchases of American commodities as part of its trade deal with the U.S. The prospect is already drawing skepticism.

Most U.S. agricultural markets weakened Wednesday, with traders saying they need to see actual evidence of increases in shipments for prices to make substantial gains. American oil and natural gas prices were also lower.

U.S. President Donald Trump highlighted that the so-called phase-one deal signed in Washington will benefit farmers, a core voting bloc that he needs to appease to boost his re-election prospects. China has cut imports of American agricultural products during the long-running trade war between Washington and Beijing, roiling the economy in the nation’s farm belt.

“Given the numerous deals that have been reached and then breached in the past two years, we are also skeptical,” the National Farmers Union, which advocates on behalf of almost 200,000 American farm families, said in a statement. “And without more concrete details, we are deeply concerned that all of this pain may not have been worth it.”

www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-dollar95-billion-centerpiece-of-the-trade-deal-is-already-in-doubt/ar-BBYZDL5?li=BBnbfcN

[djAdvocate]

he's a shitty dealmaker.

but his fan base will never believe it.

[fluffymongrel]

List 4A had a direct impact on my company's business (originally 10% that went to 15% and now reduced with the phase 1 deal down to 7.5%). I have yet to fully research all of the impact that this deal makes but the reduction will help U.S. consumers spend less on goods purchased overseas... If we do in fact get China to increase US made purchases this would result in a direct increase to the US' GDP and exports. This is a huge win against China who has taken advantage of the U.S. for many years... i.e. business practices and stealing of IP. 

There is already an additional push for a phase 2 negotiation... Whether you like Trump or not, this is a direct result of his policy that will have a lasting effect that on our economy that will be nothing but positive. 

[Deleted]

Jan 16, 2020 8:06:06 GMT -5 fluffymongrel said:

List 4A had a direct impact on my company's business (originally 10% that went to 15% and now reduced with the phase 1 deal down to 7.5%). I have yet to fully research all of the impact that this deal makes but the reduction will help U.S. consumers spend less on goods purchased overseas... If we do in fact get China to increase US made purchases this would result in a direct increase to the US' GDP and exports. This is a huge win against China who has taken advantage of the U.S. for many years... i.e. business practices and stealing of IP. 

There is already an additional push for a phase 2 negotiation... Whether you like Trump or not, this is a direct result of his policy that will have a lasting effect that on our economy that will be nothing but positive. 

IP theft has been a decades long running problem. 

As an old retired wardog, I've had first hand experience with this through the 80's and 90's.

Needed to be addressed.

[fluffymongrel]

I don't really think that IP theft will decline with these tariffs, however, I completely agree that something needed to be done. The US economy has been effected harshly. I am only 32 but I have seen it in my company's industry.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 17, 2020 20:06:10 GMT -5 fluffymongrel said:

I don't really think that IP theft will decline with these tariffs, however, I completely agree that something needed to be done. The US economy has been effected harshly. I am only 32 but I have seen it in my company's industry.

fluffy- do you mind me asking what industry you are in?

[weltschmerz]

Jan 16, 2020 8:06:06 GMT -5 fluffymongrel said:

List 4A had a direct impact on my company's business (originally 10% that went to 15% and now reduced with the phase 1 deal down to 7.5%). I have yet to fully research all of the impact that this deal makes but the reduction will help U.S. consumers spend less on goods purchased overseas... If we do in fact get China to increase US made purchases this would result in a direct increase to the US' GDP and exports. This is a huge win against China who has taken advantage of the U.S. for many years... i.e. business practices and stealing of IP. 

There is already an additional push for a phase 2 negotiation... Whether you like Trump or not, this is a direct result of his policy that will have a lasting effect that on our economy that will be nothing but positive. 

Well, Trump also said that Canada has been taking advantage of the US for many years. He was lying. As usual.

www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/politics/trump-repeats-false-claim-about-canada-after-admitting-uncertainty-over-figure.html

[mroped]

Canada was the only business partner thta US had where US was actually making money- selling more to then was bringing in. had to go screw that up!
What he did with the Chinese trade deal is just a clusterfuck thta will take a decade to fix now.
True, China was taking advantage of it, abusing it but what he did is in no way form or shape fixing it.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 20, 2020 8:28:52 GMT -5 mroped said:

Canada was the only business partner thta US had where US was actually making money- selling more to then was bringing in. had to go screw that up!
What he did with the Chinese trade deal is just a clusterfuck thta will take a decade to fix now.
True, China was taking advantage of it, abusing it but what he did is in no way form or shape fixing it.

WASHINGTON—U.S. President Donald Trump has said over and over that the U.S. has a trade deficit with Canada. Over and over, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other Canadian officials have said he’s incorrect.



Now Trump’s own economic advisers have revealed that they also think Trump has it wrong.

www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/02/23/trumps-own-economic-advisers-say-hes-wrong-the-us-has-a-trade-surplus-with-canada-not-a-deficit.html

But he went ahead and did it anyway, just to stick it to Trudeau, who is better-looking, taller, and more globally admired. Trump is sophomoric and petty like that.
What a douche!

[weltschmerz]

This is a huge win against China who has taken advantage of the U.S. for many years..

Take everything that dumbass says with a grain of salt. He lies. A lot.

[dezii]

Jan 20, 2020 13:17:20 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

This is a huge win against China who has taken advantage of the U.S. for many years..

Take everything that dumbass says with a grain of salt. He lies. A lot.

Over 16,000 times as reported today on another thread....So yup...just about everything he claims is wrong, and even when correct, can't blame folks for questioning his claims..Call Wolf to often, or the same with the sky is falling...

[OldCoyote]

Jan 15, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's a shitty dealmaker.

but his fan base will never believe it.

The amazing thing is,, his deals are still better than Obama's!

[dondub]

Jan 21, 2020 12:28:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jan 15, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's a shitty dealmaker.

but his fan base will never believe it.

The amazing thing is,, his deals are still better than Obama's!

Yeah, that Trump Iran deal has really made us and the rest of the world safer.🤯🤮☠️

[OldCoyote]

Yes it has.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 21, 2020 12:28:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jan 15, 2020 17:08:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's a shitty dealmaker.

but his fan base will never believe it.

The amazing thing is,, his deals are still better than Obama's!

How is that deal with North Korea coming along?

[dondub]

 Go ahead and explain HOW. This is as wrong as you've ever been.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 21, 2020 12:54:29 GMT -5 dondub said:

Jan 21, 2020 12:28:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The amazing thing is,, his deals are still better than Obama's!

Yeah, that Trump Iran deal has really made us and the rest of the world safer.🤯🤮☠️

I can't for the life of me think of any deal Trump has made that is better than a (similar) deal Obama made.

so, yeah, I am giving that statement 4 Pinocchio's. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 21, 2020 13:09:28 GMT -5 dondub said:

 Go ahead and explain HOW. This is as wrong as you've ever been.

it is because Trump did it instead of Obama.

that is the only "real" reason anyone of his fanboys can ever come up with, ultimately.

the stuff that Trump has done that is the same or worse than Obama is ruled better by his minions.

it is somewhere between absurd and repulsive.

[OldCoyote]

Jan 21, 2020 13:09:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 21, 2020 12:28:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The amazing thing is,, his deals are still better than Obama's!

How is that deal with North Korea coming along?

Who cares??

[busymom]

Jan 22, 2020 9:31:21 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jan 21, 2020 13:09:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

How is that deal with North Korea coming along?

Who cares??

     South Korea, for starters.  Not to mention, our military.

[OldCoyote]

Jan 22, 2020 9:41:09 GMT -5 busymom said:

Jan 22, 2020 9:31:21 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Who cares??

     South Korea, for starters.  Not to mention, our military.

Even the N K fat boy know better than to start a real war!

Yea, one fat boy, in a Country of skinny people!

[dondub]

Jan 22, 2020 9:51:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jan 22, 2020 9:41:09 GMT -5 busymom said:

     South Korea, for starters.  Not to mention, our military.

Even the N K fat boy know better than to start a real war!

Yea, one fat boy, in a Country of skinny people!

No surprise you’ve decided to ignore the Iran question.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 22, 2020 9:31:21 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jan 21, 2020 13:09:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

How is that deal with North Korea coming along?

Who cares??

You claimed that Trump's deals are better than Obama's. Answer the question, instead of a flippant "Who cares?"
How's that deal with NK panning out? If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence to support it.