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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 16:28:20 GMT -5
I've been looking at a house that has no fixed heat source. It appears the previous owners used portable oil-filled electric space heaters to heat the place.
It's cold where I want to live. Using space heaters isn't going to be happening...
If I buy this house, the first thing I would do is install some sort of oil or propane heat source.
Up where I am moving from people install Monitor heaters. While I understand they have some issues, I would want to install something similar.
The house is really small, so not having something like forced-air doesn't bother me. Something like a Monitor would do the job but I have no idea how expensive it would be to put in a heater and the tank to hold the fuel.
Any ideas?
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Post by justme on Dec 28, 2019 18:37:50 GMT -5
I was watching one of those housing shows and they were looking at houses in Utah a fair bit away from slc. The house had electric stove which the wife said was a no go - the realtor said it would be about $4000 to set up a tank and a connection in the house for a gas stove. I'd think at least 90% of that cost is the tank and the line to the house.
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Post by swamp on Dec 28, 2019 19:06:39 GMT -5
In 2003 it cost me about $3500 to install a propane boiler with baseboard radiators. And that was with free labor from dad.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Dec 28, 2019 19:40:10 GMT -5
My friend has a heater/air conditioner unit up on her wall. I didn't look to see what brand it was. My DD had one of those in an upstairs area in her old house. Electric. The free standing radiant heat units with thermostats are good. They can double as an end table. Also an electric fireplace unit. Electric base board heaters.
How cold is the area you are in? What kind of foundation do you have? Crawl space?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 28, 2019 20:07:49 GMT -5
I've been looking at a house that has no fixed heat source. It appears the previous owners used portable oil-filled electric space heaters to heat the place. It's cold where I want to live. Using space heaters isn't going to be happening... If I buy this house, the first thing I would do is install some sort of oil or propane heat source. Up where I am moving from people install Monitor heaters. While I understand they have some issues, I would want to install something similar. The house is really small, so not having something like forced-air doesn't bother me. Something like a Monitor would do the job but I have no idea how expensive it would be to put in a heater and the tank to hold the fuel. Any ideas? The portable oil-filled electric space heaters are pretty good. While I have central heat/air, I keep the heat at about 67 in the winter. But I do use a portable oil-filled electric space heater in the the family room. It heats up nicely. And while space heater runs, the central heat is not running. You might want to buy one or two of those heaters until you can buy the final heating system of your choice.
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Post by mroped on Dec 28, 2019 20:54:39 GMT -5
A traditional heat pump -AC/heating- electric running for a house averaging at 2000 sf runs somewhere at $10k in Pa- 85-90* F summer, 25-35*F winter. It could be a bit more o4 less dependent on what’s needed for the actual installation. An oil or gas furnace runs about $2500. Tank for oil-250 gallons- about $800-$1000. Tank for propane- can buy for up to $4000-a 500 gallon tank- or rent from the propane company. Water lines and radiators - maybe a $3-4000. Easiest is a propane furnace! You can get a power vent- doesn’t need a costly chimney at $3-4000- and instal just duct work in the basement/crawl space.
No mater how you turn it, you’re looking at spending in the least $10000!
Cheapest way would be a wood stove- cast iron Jotul at about $3000- and a chimney with a minimum 6” diameter lining at another $4500 . But that would work if you have good air flow patterns in the house.
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Post by oped on Dec 28, 2019 21:00:58 GMT -5
This house doesn’t have one cheap system... and has redundant heating systems.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:16:21 GMT -5
My friend has a heater/air conditioner unit up on her wall. I didn't look to see what brand it was. My DD had one of those in an upstairs area in her old house. Electric. The free standing radiant heat units with thermostats are good. They can double as an end table. Also an electric fireplace unit. Electric base board heaters.
How cold is the area you are in?
What kind of foundation do you have? Crawl space?
This area will be cold. Today it's in the 30s with night temps in the 20s. I've seen days where it's in the teens during the day. So, freezing pipes is an issue but the house has new plumbing and is well insulated. I can see exterior vents along the bottom of the house, so I assume it has a crawl space. Most of these old homes do. Electric on the west coast is really expensive. It would be ideal to heat with oil or propane. I see many homes in the area heated with oil. I haven't seen many propane tanks, so I assume oil (or kerosene) is the local standard for aftermarket heating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:18:07 GMT -5
Water lines and radiators - maybe a $3-4000. Easiest is a propane furnace! You can get a power vent- doesn’t need a costly chimney at $3-4000- and instal just duct work in the basement/crawl space. No mater how you turn it, you’re looking at spending in the least $10000! Cheapest way would be a wood stove- cast iron Jotul at about $3000- and a chimney with a minimum 6” diameter lining at another $4500 . But that would work if you have good air flow patterns in the house. I think radiators is an east coast thing. Not sure if that's because of the risks of water lines freezing or what. I've never seen them in a house out here. My own estimate was 10K, so nice to see some agreement on that number. For this house, that wouldn't be a deal breaker because the purchase price would be really low. The house has a working wood stove in it's attached garage. The garage was in the middle of being converted into 2 rooms and a bathroom when the parent died and now the kid is selling as-is. I assume the work was done without any permits but it appears to be done fairly nicely. I'd likely finish up the bathroom myself and then turn the 2 rooms into one large shop/studio space. I'd investigate if it could be permitted without thousands of dollars of cost. If not, then it is what it is and would still work for my needs but wouldn't add much to a sales price down the road. While I love wood stoves, I am 50 and the idea of dealing with heavy pellets or firewood as I age really isn't appealing.
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Post by mroped on Dec 29, 2019 12:35:57 GMT -5
If the garage has a wood stove in already that means you have a functional chimney. Unless the chimney is a total disaster then everything else is easily fixable/ permit passing stage. For the stove and chimney to pass permits all you need is structural and fire code inspection/adjustments which can be done by any chimney sweep for a reasonable fee. If the chimney was built on the inside of the structure, in most cases you won’t need a permit for the construction of it since the foot print/skyline of the house hasn’t been modified. Id recommend an inspection anyways just to make sure that is in good working order and also to prove it to your insurance when it comes to insuring the property.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Dec 29, 2019 15:04:01 GMT -5
I think it would be better to find a house with central heating and air, more functional and cheaper in the long run.
We paid for a new furnace and AC with existing wiring and duct work about 3 years ago $5500. This summer replaced a central air unit only, $3200.
Son put in one of the European type split systems since they only had baseboard heat and no AC, just for the main area upstairs think it was around $5k. So starting from scratch the $10k sounds about right for a turnkey system. That is something that will help on resale.
But I would try to get a place with a new or newer roof, good mechanical system and more current wiring. A house with no heating system may have only 100 amp service and may have to be rewired to accommodate a system.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 29, 2019 15:45:50 GMT -5
What are the local costs of oil vs propane for heating?
We don't have natural gas down our road (it is in the village 2-3 miles away), so when we were replacing our heating system 20ish years ago we had to decide between oil and propane, and went oil. Now propane is probably cheaper for heating, though nowhere near as cheap as NG has fallen. I prebought this winter's oil, 900 gallons for just about $3k, IIRC $3.299/gal + tax. We also have propane for our kitchen stove, and it's stupid expensive because of the limited amount we use, approaching $5/gal - it'd be lower with higher volume, like for heating. So we keep thinking about changing things in the future...
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Post by mroped on Dec 29, 2019 17:20:35 GMT -5
If you buy your propane tank instead of renting then your propane prices drop. Moreover, when you rent your tank you are stuck with that company that rents to you. If you own the tank then you can shop. We have propane for primary source of heating. We bought and buried a 500 gallon tank and we have a company that put us on an automatic refill schedule. Every other week is 75-90 gallons. Last bill was 79 gallons at $1.16/gallon I believe and that is a high price for now. The neighbor rents his tank and said that he typically pays about $1.80-$2/ gallon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 22:39:07 GMT -5
I'd up what I'm be willing to pay for a house and buy one with a furnace already in it.
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Post by tractor on Jan 2, 2020 10:13:12 GMT -5
Check into an air source heat pump with an electric backup. I believe there are even still tax credits available (30%)? If the house has decent insulation, you will get both heating and AC. Costs should be comparable to other types of units, before you factor in the tax credits.
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Post by gambler on Jan 4, 2020 17:28:05 GMT -5
I am big on of window a.c. Units with heat built in. Have one in the swamp( not of much longer)and in a small cabin (shack). I let a worthless family member live in. Cools in summer heats in winter to a comfortable degree. Easy to replace it nessary, easy to install.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 18:03:57 GMT -5
I am big on of window a.c. Units with heat built in. Have one in the swamp( not of much longer)and in a small cabin (shack). I let a worthless family member live in. Cools in summer heats in winter to a comfortable degree. Easy to replace it nessary, easy to install. Damn, I learned something new today. I had no idea there was such an animal. I use window AC during the summer and it's a pretty cheap way to cool.
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Post by tskeeter on Jan 14, 2020 21:41:19 GMT -5
For a house that is pretty wide open, you might consider something like a gas heater that is vented through the wall. Mom and Dad did this when they remodeled a two car garage (about 400 square feet) into a family room. The room was a comfortable 72+ even when the MN wind was blowing and the outside temp was more than 30 below.
The heater was thermostat controlled, wall mounted, protruded into the room about four inches, and vented through the wall instead of through the roof.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 0:03:06 GMT -5
For a house that is pretty wide open, you might consider something like a gas heater that is vented through the wall. Mom and Dad did this when they remodeled a two car garage (about 400 square feet) into a family room. The room was a comfortable 72+ even when the MN wind was blowing and the outside temp was more than 30 below. The heater was thermostat controlled, wall mounted, protruded into the room about four inches, and vented through the wall instead of through the roof. This house ended up being a complete , so I passed. Walking on the floors felt like walking on cardboard... It was really spongy and smelled a bit of the funk. The house I am buying has oil-fired forced air. I'm happy with that for now.
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