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Post by billisonboard on Dec 28, 2019 16:10:25 GMT -5
Trump tweet: California and New York must do something about their TREMENDOUS Homeless problems. They are setting records! If their Governors can’t handle the situation, which they should be able to do very easily, they must call and “politely” ask for help. Would be so easy with competence! link Next will come: "Nobody knew homelessness could be so complicated." |
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 28, 2019 16:19:20 GMT -5
But before trump says "Nobody knew homelessness could be so complicated.", he will say, “I never understood wind homelessness. You know, I know windmills homelessness very much."
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 30, 2019 10:42:02 GMT -5
to Donald:
read our lips: we don't want your fucking help.
sincerely,
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 30, 2019 11:08:34 GMT -5
to Donald: read our lips: we don't want your fucking help. sincerely, California I remember reading (but don't care enough to try and find it) a comment from someone working on the homeless problem in California saying that he would have no problem with the federal government joining them in their ongoing efforts. He indicated that he would even be open to any suggestions they might offer to help with the problem. Thought it was great what he said and left unsaid.  |
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Post by busymom on Dec 30, 2019 12:20:16 GMT -5
I can verify that the help the homeless get in Florida is "underwhelming". You see them every day, if you know what to look for. I'll bet they're near to Mar-a-Lago too, but I doubt the POTUS even notices their plight...
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Post by Tiny on Dec 30, 2019 12:40:58 GMT -5
Trump tweet: California and New York must do something about their TREMENDOUS Homeless problems. They are setting records! If their Governors can’t handle the situation, which they should be able to do very easily, they must call and “politely” ask for help. Would be so easy with competence! link Next will come: "Nobody knew homelessness could be so complicated." What? I thought Trump/GOP already have a solution for homelessness - criminalize it. I thought I read that was the "solution" for the problem that was recommended to California. That is what Trump is implying in his tweet... I'm pretty sure all his supporters know the codewords and what he's actually saying in that tweet. I'm sure they are cheering. |
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 30, 2019 13:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Dec 30, 2019 13:05:07 GMT -5
And have more mental health and chemical dependency resources available. |
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Post by mroped on Dec 30, 2019 13:52:42 GMT -5
I can verify that the help the homeless get in Florida is "underwhelming". You see them every day, if you know what to look for. I'll bet they're near to Mar-a-Lago too, but I doubt the POTUS even notices their plight... California and NY are by far the two most liberal states. Homeless people know that and as a result they crowd the two knowing full well that they stand a better chance at survival than say in Arizona or Texas or Florida. |
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Post by Tiny on Dec 30, 2019 14:06:00 GMT -5
I can verify that the help the homeless get in Florida is "underwhelming". You see them every day, if you know what to look for. I'll bet they're near to Mar-a-Lago too, but I doubt the POTUS even notices their plight... California and NY are by far the two most liberal states. Homeless people know that and as a result they crowd the two knowing full well that they stand a better chance at survival than say in Arizona or Texas or Florida. Dang... I'm bumping into Poe's Law here.... |
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 30, 2019 14:56:04 GMT -5
I can verify that the help the homeless get in Florida is "underwhelming". You see them every day, if you know what to look for. I'll bet they're near to Mar-a-Lago too, but I doubt the POTUS even notices their plight... California and NY are by far the two most liberal states. Homeless people know that and as a result they crowd the two knowing full well that they stand a better chance at survival than say in Arizona or Texas or Florida. I'm not sure state services are the only driver. It isn't that simple. Yes, CA has a large homeless population, but they also have a large population. More people are bound to swerve in and out of homelessness if you have a lot of people. CA also has favorable weather, I would rather be homeless in Southern CA weather than just about anywhere else. AZ and TX have some painful heat that isn't easy to escape. And you can freeze to death in Montana 8 months of the year. Services are very important to a lot of homeless people - especially families that have just fallen on hard times. But services aren't helpful if you are so schizophrenic and paranoid that you won't use them, which isn't uncommon. But, if you were trying to get services and they failed you, you are likely to stay homeless in the area that failed, so state's that offer services may be attracting homeless, but are unable to solve their complicated medical problems. It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. Anyone with a chronic illness and particularly a chronic mental illness can tell you, we suck at solving chronic health problems. More services is not a silver bullet, and neither is discontinuation of services. |
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 30, 2019 15:08:00 GMT -5
... It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. ... Since he only has simplistic "solutions" to any problem, of course he wants people to believe nothing is complicated. "Wall", "tariffs", "personal meeting (NK)" and "rake" come to mind. Others? |
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Post by Tiny on Dec 30, 2019 15:20:58 GMT -5
California and NY are by far the two most liberal states. Homeless people know that and as a result they crowd the two knowing full well that they stand a better chance at survival than say in Arizona or Texas or Florida. I'm not sure state services are the only driver. It isn't that simple. Yes, CA has a large homeless population, but they also have a large population. More people are bound to swerve in and out of homelessness if you have a lot of people. CA also has favorable weather, I would rather be homeless in Southern CA weather than just about anywhere else. AZ and TX have some painful heat that isn't easy to escape. And you can freeze to death in Montana 8 months of the year. Services are very important to a lot of homeless people - especially families that have just fallen on hard times. But services aren't helpful if you are so schizophrenic and paranoid that you won't use them, which isn't uncommon. But, if you were trying to get services and they failed you, you are likely to stay homeless in the area that failed, so state's that offer services may be attracting homeless, but are unable to solve their complicated medical problems. It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. Anyone with a chronic illness and particularly a chronic mental illness can tell you, we suck at solving chronic health problems. More services is not a silver bullet, and neither is discontinuation of services. I never really considered that the homeless were so mobile. I guess if they are living in their car (possibly with their kids) they could give up whatever job/benefits they had and drive to California (after saving up gas money) and basically start over in an unknown place with unknown people... I would think it could be a very difficult few months until they get settled (benefit wise). They are also leaving behind whatever support of family/friends they had if they move to another state. I'm not sure how they'd get to California if they didn't have a car and/or a job (couldn't save up bus/train fare). It's still a big jump from the known to the unknown. And it appears we are moving towards treating the American Citizens (some of whom are veterans) who are homeless like we treat immigrants. Unwanted and not worth helping. |
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 30, 2019 15:30:58 GMT -5
... I never really considered that the homeless were so mobile. ... Throughout my life, I have seen signs of it when I have been living or traveling in places where it makes sense that people are passing through. A person from here. A person from there. And major magnet locations can gain a significant homeless population. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 30, 2019 16:55:14 GMT -5
this project was very successful until the opioid crisis.
it is now struggling to keep up with the (current) problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 30, 2019 17:02:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure state services are the only driver. It isn't that simple. Yes, CA has a large homeless population, but they also have a large population. More people are bound to swerve in and out of homelessness if you have a lot of people. CA also has favorable weather, I would rather be homeless in Southern CA weather than just about anywhere else. AZ and TX have some painful heat that isn't easy to escape. And you can freeze to death in Montana 8 months of the year. Services are very important to a lot of homeless people - especially families that have just fallen on hard times. But services aren't helpful if you are so schizophrenic and paranoid that you won't use them, which isn't uncommon. But, if you were trying to get services and they failed you, you are likely to stay homeless in the area that failed, so state's that offer services may be attracting homeless, but are unable to solve their complicated medical problems. It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. Anyone with a chronic illness and particularly a chronic mental illness can tell you, we suck at solving chronic health problems. More services is not a silver bullet, and neither is discontinuation of services. . I guess if they are living in their car (possibly with their kids) they could give up whatever job/benefits they had and drive to California (after saving up gas money) and basically start over in an unknown place with unknown people... I would think it could be a very difficult few months until they get settled (benefit wise). They are also leaving behind whatever support of family/friends they had if they move to another state. I'm not sure how they'd get to California if they didn't have a car and/or a job (couldn't save up bus/train fare). It's still a big jump from the known to the unknown. And it appears we are moving towards treating the American Citizens (some of whom are veterans) who are homeless like we treat immigrants. Unwanted and not worth helping. actually, there is a funny story here. well, maybe not so funny, depending on who you are.
there was a program in LA many years ago to eradicate homelessness. for lack of a better name, I will call it "one way ticket to Hawaii". no kidding. look it up. they gave homeless one way tickets to Hawaii. they figured it was cheaper than constantly arresting them and shuffling them around.
homeless have always been treated like "illegals". if you want to see what I am talking about, I would suggest watching My Man Godfrey sometime. it was bad then. it might be worse today, in that we seem to have lost some of our caring capacity.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 30, 2019 17:34:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure state services are the only driver. It isn't that simple. Yes, CA has a large homeless population, but they also have a large population. More people are bound to swerve in and out of homelessness if you have a lot of people. CA also has favorable weather, I would rather be homeless in Southern CA weather than just about anywhere else. AZ and TX have some painful heat that isn't easy to escape. And you can freeze to death in Montana 8 months of the year. Services are very important to a lot of homeless people - especially families that have just fallen on hard times. But services aren't helpful if you are so schizophrenic and paranoid that you won't use them, which isn't uncommon. But, if you were trying to get services and they failed you, you are likely to stay homeless in the area that failed, so state's that offer services may be attracting homeless, but are unable to solve their complicated medical problems. It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. Anyone with a chronic illness and particularly a chronic mental illness can tell you, we suck at solving chronic health problems. More services is not a silver bullet, and neither is discontinuation of services. I never really considered that the homeless were so mobile. I guess if they are living in their car (possibly with their kids) they could give up whatever job/benefits they had and drive to California (after saving up gas money) and basically start over in an unknown place with unknown people... I would think it could be a very difficult few months until they get settled (benefit wise). They are also leaving behind whatever support of family/friends they had if they move to another state. I'm not sure how they'd get to California if they didn't have a car and/or a job (couldn't save up bus/train fare). It's still a big jump from the known to the unknown. And it appears we are moving towards treating the American Citizens (some of whom are veterans) who are homeless like we treat immigrants. Unwanted and not worth helping. I would guess that they do have limited mobility. Although, when it starts getting warm in Phoenix, there is an uptick in hitchhikers trying to get up north for the summer. Another big factor is cost of living. States like CA and NY have ridiculous cost of living, so it is easy to fall out of having a roof over your head. The lowest COLA states don't have as many homeless per capita, and it isn't because they offer awesome services. |
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Post by mroped on Dec 30, 2019 17:39:27 GMT -5
About three years ago I was going down to Florida in January. Somewhere in Georgia I picked up this hitchhiker thinking “even if it is 10 miles trip, it’s someone to talk to!”
Turns out was a homeless man that was working his way south from Michigan where he left in November.
Spent the night behind a Dunkin Donuts, didn’t have a real meal in more than a week, stench- good God!
I was going west coast panhandle so I took him all the way to Tallahassee. That was his actual target and was hoping to make it within the week. Gave him whatever cash I had(about $100) some cigarettes and bought him a phone card at the gas station. He had a phone but no minutes.
For the three- four hours that we spent together he made me laugh so hard I was crying and he told me stories that made me cry!
Homelessness is not something anybody chooses but many that get there never get out!
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 31, 2019 18:30:25 GMT -5
... It is far more complicated than Trump wants people to believe. ... Since he only has simplistic "solutions" to any problem, of course he wants people to believe nothing is complicated. "Wall", "tariffs", "personal meeting (NK)" and "rake" come to mind. Others? You forgot sweeping the forest like they do in Finland  |
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 31, 2019 23:50:33 GMT -5
Since he only has simplistic "solutions" to any problem, of course he wants people to believe nothing is complicated. "Wall", "tariffs", "personal meeting (NK)" and "rake" come to mind. Others? You forgot sweeping the forest like they do in Finland But I did remember "rake" the forest like they do in Finland. During his trip to view the damage from California's wildfires, President Donald Trump said Finland's President Sauli Niinisto told him that his country doesn't have the same problem with fires because it spends "a lot of time on raking and cleaning." link |
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