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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 14:59:26 GMT -5
I haven't seen this mentioned today. How can a religion be a nationality?
Where does this leave converts? A Finn, for instance, born in and living in Finland, baptized a Lutheran, converts to Judaism...
Or another for instance, a Brit born in the UK, baptized in the Church of England, moves to the US and becomes a citizen, converts to Judaism...
How about a Jew born in Israel emigrates to the US and becomes a citizen, converts to Christianity and joins the Methodist church...
What's next? Will Christianity be declared a nationality, too?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Dec 11, 2019 15:04:01 GMT -5
Declared a nationality by whom?
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Post by laterbloomer on Dec 11, 2019 15:06:55 GMT -5
Declared a nationality by whom? Apparently Trump and friends. I saw a flash of an MSN article about it but didn't read it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 15:07:19 GMT -5
Donald Trump said that he's going to sign an executive order declaring Judaism a nationality rather than a religion. I don't know how to post a link or I would, but it's been all over the news today.
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Post by laterbloomer on Dec 11, 2019 15:08:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 15:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 11, 2019 15:29:21 GMT -5
Donald Trump said that he's going to sign an executive order declaring Judaism a nationality rather than a religion. I don't know how to post a link or I would, but it's been all over the news today. That's absurd. That would make Christianity a nationality, Islam a nationality, Satanism a nationality, Buddhism a nationality and Atheism a nationality. Well, it came from Trump. When did he ever make any sense?
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Post by swamp on Dec 11, 2019 15:33:00 GMT -5
does that mean we can deport jared and ivanka?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 15:38:01 GMT -5
weltschmerz, of course it's absurd. So far the only "nationality" he's interested in is Judaism.
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 11, 2019 15:44:47 GMT -5
weltschmerz , of course it's absurd. So far the only "nationality" he's interested in is Judaism. Combine this with the statement made just above by Swamp and I believe all is not well in little trump world
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2019 16:06:49 GMT -5
Donald Trump said that he's going to sign an executive order declaring Judaism a nationality rather than a religion. I don't know how to post a link or I would, but it's been all over the news today. It isn't "... rather than ..." but "... in addition to ...". Not sure how significant that is but thought I would comment for accuracy.
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Post by laterbloomer on Dec 11, 2019 16:16:37 GMT -5
1. Going by this neither Canada nor the US is a nation, we are not united by a common descent 2. The next step to Judaism as a nationality is to define the country or territory they inhabit.
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Post by justme on Dec 11, 2019 16:27:24 GMT -5
I haven't had time to research it, but when I was scrolling through Facebook I saw someone post about how Hitler first declared Jews not of German nationality but their own Jewish nationality. It was the start of separating them into "others". I'm not recalling that detail from school, but if true it's a bit haunting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 16:33:48 GMT -5
In Nazi Germany Jews weren't citizens; they were subjects.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2019 16:43:58 GMT -5
weltschmerz , of course it's absurd. So far the only "nationality" he's interested in is Judaism the Jewish vote. Sorry. Had to fix it for you. But it is the truth.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2019 16:45:20 GMT -5
I haven't had time to research it, but when I was scrolling through Facebook I saw someone post about how Hitler first declared Jews not of German nationality but their own Jewish nationality. It was the start of separating them into "others". I'm not recalling that detail from school, but if true it's a bit haunting. Heard the same from talking heads earlier today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 16:51:57 GMT -5
This from the Independent
Donald Trump has been accused of antisemitism after he told a pro-Israel Jewish group they will vote for him to protect their wealth.
Mr Trump referred to members of the Israeli American Council as “brutal killers” and “not nice people” but claimed they would vote for him to avoid a wealth tax, as proposed by Democratic challengers Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
“A lot of you are in the real estate business because I know you very well, you’re brutal killers. You’re not nice people at all, but you have to vote for me. You have no choice,” the president said.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2019 17:06:13 GMT -5
I wonder if trump is going to sign an Executive Order directing LGBTQ citizens be considered a nationality too. According to FBI 2018 hate crime statistics, LGBTQ community is not that far behind religious membership. FBI Releases 2018 Hate Crime Statistics
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2019 18:40:22 GMT -5
Israel has been conflating these two ideas for decades.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 11, 2019 19:46:45 GMT -5
Just so we all know the reasoning behind the decision... Sort of loop-holish? I don't think it is some grand anti-semitic plan to pander to the KKK or anything. Plus, it protects his pro-Israel evangelical vote.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2019 20:49:32 GMT -5
Just so we all know the reasoning behind the decision... Sort of loop-holish? I don't think it is some grand anti-semitic plan to pander to the KKK or anything. Plus, it protects his pro-Israel evangelical vote. ... I agree it is about Israel and not the KKK - now. I do think it would be good to seriously consider if long term it could be twisted to evil uses. And I don't have faith that the current Administration is adept at weighing policies for the long term. I do have a concern that this will be used against legitimate protests against the policies and actions of Israel.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 11, 2019 22:25:02 GMT -5
Just so we all know the reasoning behind the decision... Sort of loop-holish? I don't think it is some grand anti-semitic plan to pander to the KKK or anything. Plus, it protects his pro-Israel evangelical vote. ... I agree it is about Israel and not the KKK - now. I do think it would be good to seriously consider if long term it could be twisted to evil uses. And I don't have faith that the current Administration is adept at weighing policies for the long term. I do have a concern that this will be used against legitimate protests against the policies and actions of Israel. It is designed to be used against protests of Isreal. They aren't being sly about it. They have stated that clear as day.
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Post by oped on Dec 11, 2019 22:26:42 GMT -5
Do their passports get changed?
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