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Post by dezii on Dec 5, 2019 19:20:11 GMT -5
In my working day it would have been fine...even medical from employers...nominal deductible, reasonable fair costs to employees...most plans at 80/20...ins company paid 80% of procedures...employee pays 20%...even employer wholly paid pensions...once vested, usually five years or so...while not hugh , together with savings, social security pretty good deal...but that was then.. Today..? I don't have a answer and don't believe the politicians do either..I can understand why French Folks are up in arms but also understand what their President is up against and trying to get under control... Problem to me..there are too many folks like the ones in the article posted.. {Please don't mention the over weight of the woman pictured...definitely a problem...though when one just doesn't have it..to eat healthy just isn't #1 on priority list..or affordable sometimes} ============================ www.courant.com/nation-world/os-bz-tourism-industry-disney-wages-20191205-46u5ykiro5cx3n25qronziiify-story.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 14:33:22 GMT -5
In my working day it would have been fine...even medical from employers...nominal deductible, reasonable fair costs to employees...most plans at 80/20...ins company paid 80% of procedures...employee pays 20%...even employer wholly paid pensions...once vested, usually five years or so...while not hugh , together with savings, social security pretty good deal...but that was then.. Today..? I don't have a answer and don't believe the politicians do either..I can understand why French Folks are up in arms but also understand what their President is up against and trying to get under control... Problem to me..there are too many folks like the ones in the article posted.. { Please don't mention the over weight of the woman pictured...definitely a problem...though when one just doesn't have it..to eat healthy just isn't #1 on priority list..or affordable sometimes} ============================ www.courant.com/nation-world/os-bz-tourism-industry-disney-wages-20191205-46u5ykiro5cx3n25qronziiify-story.htmlThat would really shoot to hell, the starving/suffering aspect. We'll just leave that out of the discussion and pretend it's not there.
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Post by dezii on Dec 6, 2019 15:18:47 GMT -5
In my working day it would have been fine...even medical from employers...nominal deductible, reasonable fair costs to employees...most plans at 80/20...ins company paid 80% of procedures...employee pays 20%...even employer wholly paid pensions...once vested, usually five years or so...while not hugh , together with savings, social security pretty good deal...but that was then.. Today..? I don't have a answer and don't believe the politicians do either..I can understand why French Folks are up in arms but also understand what their President is up against and trying to get under control... Problem to me..there are too many folks like the ones in the article posted.. { Please don't mention the over weight of the woman pictured...definitely a problem...though when one just doesn't have it..to eat healthy just isn't #1 on priority list..or affordable sometimes} ============================ www.courant.com/nation-world/os-bz-tourism-industry-disney-wages-20191205-46u5ykiro5cx3n25qronziiify-story.htmlThat would really shoot to hell, the starving/suffering aspect. We'll just leave that out of the discussion and pretend it's not there. I guess u didn't understand my explanation of a possible reason for the obviouse weight problem...Did u notice the normal weight , clean clothes and body of her daughter and herself...plus the angelic beautiful smile on her face...which translated to the high marks she gets from her superiors at work on handling problems of the tourist customers that is her job, not the easiest thing to do. Suggest also examine the cleanliness of her home..The décor and pleasing surroundings...All for under $15.00 a hour...and the reality of her financial problems explained....Just saying.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 7, 2019 6:39:11 GMT -5
This looks like a puff piece put out by the Union trying to organize workers.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 7, 2019 8:21:35 GMT -5
When I was first married, I was making $1.25 an hour!! All these poor people only making $15.00 an hour!!
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Post by dezii on Dec 7, 2019 11:05:46 GMT -5
This looks like a puff piece put out by the Union trying to organize workers. Puff Piece? U are a piece of work.....
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Post by dezii on Dec 7, 2019 11:21:08 GMT -5
When I was first married, I was making $1.25 an hour!! All these poor people only making $15.00 an hour!!
I remember a minimum wage of .50 per hour...When min wage went to .75 my dad who owned a health and beauty, general merchandise, stationary store had to let a part time kid, Jimmy Sette go...couldn't afford him. Thats when I was expected to show up after school to do his work...not paid regularly...but always had $ in my pocket... That was then...today different story... When Dad came home from WW2...was with Pattons third Army...purchased a new home..Cape Cod style...price was $5000.00...down payment was $200.00...many buyers didn't have that according to my Mom..Builder, Mr. Levine lent buyers the $200.00...As I said...different times, no comparison to today..What it will be like in say 25 years but am sure we today will not be able to relate..IMHO. {Buy the way...recently looked that home up, has been completely redone...it's for sale , asking price is $169,000}
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Post by dondub on Dec 7, 2019 12:08:46 GMT -5
OC... go ahead and adjust that $1.25 for inflation. I’ll bet you $1.25 it’s well in excess of $15.
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Post by busymom on Dec 7, 2019 12:55:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see a comparison of what we paid for healthcare in, for example, the 1980's, compared to what we pay now. I'll bet those here who are in the 20's & 30's would be shocked at how much it has gone up. I know I'm not happy.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 7, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -5
When I was first married, I was making $1.25 an hour!! All these poor people only making $15.00 an hour!!
That was during the Cretaceous period, and has no bearing on this conversation. A loaf of bread was probably a nickel back then.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 7, 2019 18:38:34 GMT -5
OC... go ahead and adjust that $1.25 for inflation. I’ll bet you $1.25 it’s well in excess of $15. One f the things I remember was the tools that I need to buy for work. A Estwing hammer was like $7.50, So more than a half a day work, that same hammer today is $16. A Stanley tape measure, was like $5.00. today you can buy a better one for $8.00. A 16oz Coke was like .25 to day at Mickey D's a super giant 44 oz. Coke is on the dollar menu. Gas for years was 32.9 cents for regular. Today a little over $3.00 here. In 1977 I bought a wheelbarrow, $49.95. today it cost less than that. In 1974, I bought my first roto hammer drill, $212.00,, today, a Bosch Roto hammer of the same size $199.00 In 1973, I bought my first new truck Ford F250, V-8 4 speed, 3325.00 in 2017 I bought a very nice Toyota 1/2 ton truck, all the bells and whistles, $56,000.00 A new GMC 1/2 ton Denali was 65000. before tax dealer prep, delivery charges. In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month.
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Post by dondub on Dec 7, 2019 19:56:09 GMT -5
OC... go ahead and adjust that $1.25 for inflation. I’ll bet you $1.25 it’s well in excess of $15. One f the things I remember was the tools that I need to buy for work. A Estwing hammer was like $7.50, So more than a half a day work, that same hammer today is $16. A Stanley tape measure, was like $5.00. today you can buy a better one for $8.00. A 16oz Coke was like .25 to day at Mickey D's a super giant 44 oz. Coke is on the dollar menu. Gas for years was 32.9 cents for regular. Today a little over $3.00 here. In 1977 I bought a wheelbarrow, $49.95. today it cost less than that. In 1974, I bought my first roto hammer drill, $212.00,, today, a Bosch Roto hammer of the same size $199.00 In 1973, I bought my first new truck Ford F250, V-8 4 speed, 3325.00 in 2017 I bought a very nice Toyota 1/2 ton truck, all the bells and whistles, $56,000.00 A new GMC 1/2 ton Denali was 65000. before tax dealer prep, delivery charges. In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month. Excellent and lengthy deflection giving a 40+ year history of tool prices. Now how about that wage inflation scenario. Ready to put that together?
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Post by kadee79 on Dec 7, 2019 22:26:28 GMT -5
OC... go ahead and adjust that $1.25 for inflation. I’ll bet you $1.25 it’s well in excess of $15. One f the things I remember was the tools that I need to buy for work. A Estwing hammer was like $7.50, So more than a half a day work, that same hammer today is $16. A Stanley tape measure, was like $5.00. today you can buy a better one for $8.00. A 16oz Coke was like .25 to day at Mickey D's a super giant 44 oz. Coke is on the dollar menu. Gas for years was 32.9 cents for regular. Today a little over $3.00 here. In 1977 I bought a wheelbarrow, $49.95. today it cost less than that. In 1974, I bought my first roto hammer drill, $212.00,, today, a Bosch Roto hammer of the same size $199.00 In 1973, I bought my first new truck Ford F250, V-8 4 speed, 3325.00 in 2017 I bought a very nice Toyota 1/2 ton truck, all the bells and whistles, $56,000.00 A new GMC 1/2 ton Denali was 65000. before tax dealer prep, delivery charges. In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month. You can compare all the prices you want...however, most tools aren't made today like they were back then and many don't have the same replacement guarantees either! I'd much rather buy an older tool since they were built to last, not like many today with plastic parts in their inner workings. And I was making a whole 0.90 an hr. when I started working, so big deal...that was the going rate at that time & as a single woman, I was able to live on it...renting a furnished apartment, having a vehicle so buying gas & paying insurance & buying groceries & clothes & still had $$ for going out to party on weekends...and eating out on weekends too. My grocery bill usually was about $6-$7 & that normally lasted me for 2 weeks or more. Then in the very early 70's, I was feeding a family of 3 for a total of $10-$12 a week & that included steak one night during that week! I was also making more as a waitress in a fancy restaurant than my hubby was making as a journeyman trim carpenter. Times change, prices go up. Just try renting a furnished apt. for $30 a month now! A nice apt. & nice furnishings too, not fancy, but nice! ETA...and that apartment was a nice sized one in Ca....can you imagine renting anything in Ca. for that price today? It was in both the Santa Ana area & Inglewood area (LA).
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 8, 2019 11:40:08 GMT -5
So, then can I use the argument that constantly raising MW, has priced the low income earners out of the market?? All I need to do is look at the cost of a McDonald hamburger now, compared to a few years ago.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 8, 2019 11:43:50 GMT -5
One f the things I remember was the tools that I need to buy for work. A Estwing hammer was like $7.50, So more than a half a day work, that same hammer today is $16. A Stanley tape measure, was like $5.00. today you can buy a better one for $8.00. A 16oz Coke was like .25 to day at Mickey D's a super giant 44 oz. Coke is on the dollar menu. Gas for years was 32.9 cents for regular. Today a little over $3.00 here. In 1977 I bought a wheelbarrow, $49.95. today it cost less than that. In 1974, I bought my first roto hammer drill, $212.00,, today, a Bosch Roto hammer of the same size $199.00 In 1973, I bought my first new truck Ford F250, V-8 4 speed, 3325.00 in 2017 I bought a very nice Toyota 1/2 ton truck, all the bells and whistles, $56,000.00 A new GMC 1/2 ton Denali was 65000. before tax dealer prep, delivery charges. In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month. Excellent and lengthy deflection giving a 40+ year history of tool prices. Now how about that wage inflation scenario. Ready to put that together? I posted what those thing cost me when I was making $1.25 - 1.75. I can buy that same Estwing hammer today for $16,, I make a lot more than $1.75 now!
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Post by dezii on Dec 8, 2019 12:12:33 GMT -5
I'd like to see a comparison of what we paid for healthcare in, for example, the 1980's, compared to what we pay now. I'll bet those here who are in the 20's & 30's would be shocked at how much it has gone up. I know I'm not happy. That's a definite...I can't remember the #'s but do know it was never a problem..just a deduction out of my check....in fact , when working for a large national company, I signed up for just about everything offered...many programs offered including life insurance, term...believe given free $25,000 and options to increase where employee paid... I still can't get over the hugh deductions and costs of todays company sponsored programs...My son, who works for one of the giant insurance health insurance compant told me his costs...unbelievable...and he's a employee...no breaks there. I also can't get over how much he is paid or the cost of items...say automobiles..he is in midst of purchasing new now and it will be in the mid 30's to possible almost 50.....also unbelievable.. Will say, in my working days, never had health issues beyond minor incidents...health issues were after working days.. I will suggest to all younger readers here to consider supplement programs to cover the 29% of medical costs medicare does not cover...or what ever the % will be when u are ready for medicare coverage....u all will not have the same coverage I and my generation do..I was retired at 65 though didn't start receiving SS benefits till 68...got larger SS payments. Suppliments in my case AARP...and also consider disability insurance. The earlier u purchase that the cheaper it is...don't have to wait till one retires..U never know when something will hit u out of the blue...
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Post by dezii on Dec 8, 2019 12:24:05 GMT -5
So, then can I use the argument that constantly raising MW, has priced the low income earners out of the market?? All I need to do is look at the cost of a McDonald hamburger now, compared to a few years ago.
Telling u all my age but when McDonalds came to my town, Hamden, ct.. {unit still there same place but naturally expanded...no eating in then} Hamburger... .15 That's cents folks.... Crazy how that I remember...what I ate yesterday for lunch Cheese burger .19 French Fries .12 Milkshake .25
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Post by busymom on Dec 8, 2019 12:50:15 GMT -5
I can remember, dezii, working in the Summer, and occasionally splurging on McDonald's while making money for college. I used to tell my Mom that the cheese on that cheeseburger wasn't worth the extra nickel. Although, the price of fries wasn't as inexpensive as your example. While I was in college, I also remember Peanut Buster Parfait sales of 99 cents. Even a college kid could scrape that together.
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Post by haapai on Dec 8, 2019 13:16:36 GMT -5
I'll be able to read the piece after the New Year. Paywall. A lecture on how the CPI only covers a hypothetical basket of goods that might be very different from what you need to buy may be forthcoming. I'll have to read first.
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Post by dondub on Dec 8, 2019 14:33:49 GMT -5
Excellent and lengthy deflection giving a 40+ year history of tool prices. Now how about that wage inflation scenario. Ready to put that together? I posted what those thing cost me when I was making $1.25 - 1.75. I can buy that same Estwing hammer today for $16,, I make a lot more than $1.75 now! So what. As usual you are dodging your own original post about the $1.25 and my request to have you tell us what it would be now. Who gives a shit what a cheap Chinese hammer costs now to a quality Craftsman from the 60’s.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 8, 2019 16:53:42 GMT -5
You are calling a Estwing hammer a Chinese piece of junk?? You are misinformed!
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Post by dezii on Dec 8, 2019 17:06:25 GMT -5
I posted what those thing cost me when I was making $1.25 - 1.75. I can buy that same Estwing hammer today for $16,, I make a lot more than $1.75 now! So what. As usual you are dodging your own original post about the $1.25 and my request to have you tell us what it would be now. Who gives a shit what a cheap Chinese hammer costs now to a quality Craftsman from the 60’s. What's with all the anger? I find it interesting what costs were back in the day vs today but remember, salary's were no where the same or even close...Ny first job out of school was $75.00 a week...glad to get it...We were thinking once we reached say $10,000 per year...that would be great...Naturally depending your degree...Remember a Fraternity brother..a year or two ahead of me...math major...passed a couple tests for actuary , was hired by Insurance Company in Hartford...many, many thousands to start... My wife , hired as grammer school teacher, had a education degree, starting salary was under $4000.00 per year...when we applied for mortgage her salary not counted...bank felt she would get pregnant and stop working..{they were correct}...can't remember but believe parents co signed for the loan or something like that...First home...$13, 500...
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Post by dondub on Dec 8, 2019 17:49:42 GMT -5
You are calling a Estwing hammer a Chinese piece of junk?? You are misinformed!
You missed the point and dodged again. You are just an awesome debater. 🤪
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 8, 2019 17:56:36 GMT -5
In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month.
How much would it be now? At least 20 or 30 times more? People don't really care about the price of wheelbarrows and hammers. They care about shelter.
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Post by kadee79 on Dec 8, 2019 17:58:49 GMT -5
You are calling a Estwing hammer a Chinese piece of junk?? You are misinformed!
Isn't it funny...they are made in Ill. & I had relatives that lived in Rockford...but I never heard of these before...and I grew up in central Ill. www.estwing.com/pages/about-estwing
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Post by ednkris on Dec 9, 2019 9:49:11 GMT -5
In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month. How much would it be now? At least 20 or 30 times more? People don't really care about the price of wheelbarrows and hammers. They care about shelter. The ones that need to buy those tools to earn the money for that shelter
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Post by ednkris on Dec 9, 2019 9:53:40 GMT -5
i'm curious who here actually thinks that you should live good on minimum wage?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 9, 2019 10:11:49 GMT -5
In 1966 the year we were married, the house we lived in was $35 a month. How much would it be now? At least 20 or 30 times more? People don't really care about the price of wheelbarrows and hammers. They care about shelter. I would not have had that job with out those tools!
I would say my in my youth, things were harder than they are today, Here is a story from when I lived in Moon's country, My wife and I with a brand new baby( who turned 53 yesterday)lived in the back of an old house across from the railroad tracks and grain elevator. Out of work (fired, one of two times in my entire life) walked to the Tenneco station, to see if I could do a couple of hour work for them, like cleaning up or something! Happen to be a man the looking for some one to help unload a truck, I jumped at the chance, It was unloading 40,000 of crushed marble, one bag at a time 90# each! When you first start, the bags are right at the back of the trailer, when you and are really tired, you are carrying the from the front of that long trailer to the back,,
The guy helping me quit after the first hour, I unload the rest my self!,,, I made $6!! I worked thru lunch did not get paid for it,, didn't matter, I didn't have any lunch with me any way.
The owner offered me a job, I took it! I could walk to work, my car did not run. I worked there for a couple of month, the Co. was having money problems, funny thing ,the place burnt down on a friday night, all that resin for making plastic really burns good,
My paycheck burned down with the building, since I didn't get that afternoon,, matter of fact, I never got it!!
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Post by Tiny on Dec 9, 2019 11:26:30 GMT -5
i'm curious who here actually thinks that you should live good on minimum wage? What does "good" mean? And how does America address the problem that many many people will spend their lifetime working and remain at an income level at or a bit above the "minimum wage"? Think about that. "minimum wage jobs" are no longer "entry level" or "temporary" or jobs for wives who need "pin money" once their kids are in school. There are an awful lot of people who won't go on to higher paying jobs - because there AREN"T any higher paying jobs they can move up into.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:46:17 GMT -5
This looks like a puff piece put out by the Union trying to organize workers. You might be on to something... Quote; A nalysis / Bias
In review, the Hartford Courant covers local news with field journalist and national news through the Associated Press. All articles are sourced to credible information and sourced. Editorially, more op-eds favor the left by a moderate amount.
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