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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2019 13:57:26 GMT -5
Color me shocked that OC doesn't get it. Maybe O.C. has never done anything like that! this is why I am constantly suggesting that you not rely on your anecdotal evidence to "prove" things.
I think that at least half of the adult male population is pretty good- properly respectful of women, and keep their hands to themselves.
I think that maybe another 30-40% might find themselves in situations where they would make a mistake, and do something they would not normally do, due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or peers.
and then there is the 5-10% who are serial abusers. they make life difficult for the 90% who are disgusted by that behavior. but unfortunately, they do this shit ALL the time. so, even if there are only 10 million of them, if they grope even ten women each that is basically 100% of women that get abused, and that is precisely what we see in our society.
if men don't get that, they need to.
seriously.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2019 13:59:41 GMT -5
had to stop you right there.
Trump could be impeached on what Sondland testified alone.
Impeached in the House? Of course. impeachment is a house matter.
then it goes to the Senate for an impeachment TRIAL.
and I would not be 100% sure he won't be convicted, if I were you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2019 14:02:23 GMT -5
had to stop you right there.
Trump could be impeached on what Sondland testified alone.
And he would be Impeached whether the Embassador appeared if front of them or not. yeah, because there were a dozen other people to back him up.
that wasn't my point. Sondland's testimony ALONE was damaging enough.
they didn't need ANYONE else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 14:34:37 GMT -5
"Struck me as the type". !!! Thank God it's innocent till proven guilty in this country. The framers of our country were on to something with that. Have I said "Lock him up"?. Apparently I'm not entitled to an opinion. OK, got it. I said... Thank God it's innocent till proven guilty, in this country. My opinion. Now, what were you saying about being entitled to one ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 14:36:32 GMT -5
Impeached in the House? Of course. impeachment is a house matter.
then it goes to the Senate for an impeachment TRIAL.
and I would not be 100% sure he won't be convicted, if I were you.
Can he be 99.9999999999999999999999999% sure.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 29, 2019 14:43:11 GMT -5
had to stop you right there.
Trump could be impeached on what Sondland testified alone.
Impeached in the House? Of course. And he will, but we know Schiff is not about truth or Justice.And he would be Impeached whether the Embassador appeared if front of them or not. We do?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 29, 2019 16:12:45 GMT -5
Have I said "Lock him up"?. Apparently I'm not entitled to an opinion. OK, got it. I said... Thank God it's innocent till proven guilty, in this country. My opinion. Now, what were you saying about being entitled to one ? Apparently not, if you are Hillary Clinton..... according to trump rallies and some folks on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 16:27:23 GMT -5
I said... Thank God it's innocent till proven guilty, in this country. My opinion. Now, what were you saying about being entitled to one ? Apparently not, if you are Hillary Clinton..... according to trump rallies and some folks on the board. Anybody with a brain doesn't pay much attention to rallies. You're getting a message tailored to the audience. I'm hoping you know it's not just Trump rallies. I don't know of anything Hillary was convicted, not for lack of trying. It's the endless carousel of investigation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 29, 2019 16:31:02 GMT -5
Ambassador. A-m-b-a-s-s-a-d-o-r. Ambassador.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 29, 2019 18:28:50 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 29, 2019 21:32:19 GMT -5
Oh Geeeees, just look at his eyes, he has to be at least a mass murder!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 29, 2019 21:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 29, 2019 21:42:35 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady? His job. A concept alien to the GOP lawmakers
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 29, 2019 21:42:42 GMT -5
"Although she does have a very nice figure. I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps, I would be dating her."
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 29, 2019 22:14:47 GMT -5
OK so what??
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Post by dondub on Nov 30, 2019 1:23:28 GMT -5
Defending pedophilial gestures now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 10:33:37 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady? He's an old white guy, disrespects women, evil 1%er. Doesn't everybody know this ?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 30, 2019 10:44:41 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady? He's an old white guy, disrespects women, evil 1%er. Doesn't everybody know this ? Why would any of that make a difference in impeachment? He is impeaching an old white guy who disrespects women and is a 1%er.
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Post by Opti on Nov 30, 2019 10:55:12 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady? Be against the Great Liar?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 2:07:53 GMT -5
impeachment is a house matter.
then it goes to the Senate for an impeachment TRIAL.
and I would not be 100% sure he won't be convicted, if I were you.
Can he be 99.9999999999999999999999999% sure. the New York Times was 95% sure that Clinton would be elected.
I laughed at them. look it up.
I am laughing at anyone who thinks this is over 90% certain to exonerate Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:57:13 GMT -5
He's an old white guy, disrespects women, evil 1%er. Doesn't everybody know this ? Why would any of that make a difference in impeachment? He is impeaching an old white guy who disrespects women and is a 1%er. Exactly, doesn't everybody know this ? Why is he running the show ? As OldCoyote would say "police investigating the police" Or is it OK because he is the Democrat, and certain other of his values, align with a certain segment. So a double standard applies ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:57:53 GMT -5
What has Shiff done that is so shady? Be against the Great Liar? See reply #50
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 2, 2019 14:15:09 GMT -5
I said... Thank God it's innocent till proven guilty, in this country. My opinion. Now, what were you saying about being entitled to one ? Apparently not, if you are Hillary Clinton..... according to trump rallies and some folks on the board. ....or if you're one of the Central Park Five.....guilty even though proven innocent, according to Trump.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 2, 2019 14:47:26 GMT -5
Why would any of that make a difference in impeachment? He is impeaching an old white guy who disrespects women and is a 1%er. Exactly, doesn't everybody know this ? Why is he running the show ? As OldCoyote would say "police investigating the police" Or is it OK because he is the Democrat, and certain other of his values, align with a certain segment. So a double standard applies ? He's "running the show" because as the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, it's his job. Congress has a constitutional duty to address potentially impeachable offenses I realize that doing one's job is an alien concept to GOP supporters, but there it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 8:32:18 GMT -5
Exactly, doesn't everybody know this ? Why is he running the show ? As OldCoyote would say "police investigating the police" Or is it OK because he is the Democrat, and certain other of his values, align with a certain segment. So a double standard applies ? He's "running the show" because as the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, it's his job. Congress has a constitutional duty to address potentially impeachable offenses I realize that doing one's job is an alien concept to GOP supporters, but there it is. Sometimes I think your going to just give an answer to the discussion. Then you have to throw in the nonsense like you last sentence. In answer to your first paragraph, most here know he's the intelligence chair. My post was in regards to just another white guy one percenter investigating another. In regards to thyme's 'shady' post. Are you saying that's ok because he's the chair ? Versus that's ok because he's the president ? You do know that he ran on a platform of impeachment being a waste of time about 20 years ago, don't you ?
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 3, 2019 9:02:16 GMT -5
Maybe O.C. has never done anything like that! this is why I am constantly suggesting that you not rely on your anecdotal evidence to "prove" things.
I think that at least half of the adult male population is pretty good- properly respectful of women, and keep their hands to themselves.
I think that maybe another 30-40% might find themselves in situations where they would make a mistake, and do something they would not normally do, due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or peers.
and then there is the 5-10% who are serial abusers. they make life difficult for the 90% who are disgusted by that behavior. but unfortunately, they do this shit ALL the time. so, even if there are only 10 million of them, if they grope even ten women each that is basically 100% of women that get abused, and that is precisely what we see in our society.
if men don't get that, they need to.
seriously.
Hey, don't blame me for somethings that some one else does!
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 3, 2019 9:53:59 GMT -5
this is why I am constantly suggesting that you not rely on your anecdotal evidence to "prove" things.
I think that at least half of the adult male population is pretty good- properly respectful of women, and keep their hands to themselves.
I think that maybe another 30-40% might find themselves in situations where they would make a mistake, and do something they would not normally do, due to the influence of drugs, alcohol, or peers.
and then there is the 5-10% who are serial abusers. they make life difficult for the 90% who are disgusted by that behavior. but unfortunately, they do this shit ALL the time. so, even if there are only 10 million of them, if they grope even ten women each that is basically 100% of women that get abused, and that is precisely what we see in our society.
if men don't get that, they need to.
seriously.
Hey, don't blame me for somethings that some one else does! NO ONE IS BLAMING YOU. WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT HAS HAPPENED TO SOMEONE.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 15:55:11 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame me for somethings that some one else does! NO ONE IS BLAMING YOU. WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT HAS HAPPENED TO SOMEONE. What would be the percentage of women abusing men?
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Post by swamp on Dec 3, 2019 16:02:20 GMT -5
NO ONE IS BLAMING YOU. WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT HAS HAPPENED TO SOMEONE. What would be the percentage of women abusing men? 1.5%. Now will you acknowledge that it happens?
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 3, 2019 19:45:11 GMT -5
NO ONE IS BLAMING YOU. WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT HAS HAPPENED TO SOMEONE. What would be the percentage of women abusing men? It does happen, and we need to discuss it more. From the research I have seen (which was heavily summarized and I am no expert) women abusing men is a bigger problem in committed relationships. Casual and stranger sexual assault is skewed more on the man assaulting the women. But in relationships, the abuse numbers of women on men increases. Statistically, women haven't held as much power in business as men over the past 5 decades, so the harassment issue is proportional, with men being the harasser. As women have gained traction, I am sure some group of asshole women are using their power in a terrible way. I wish more men would feel comfortable coming forward with abuse reports within relationships. It could be a huge leap forward for our society to acknowledge that everyone is vulnerable, and we should have a structure that can protect and more importantly education that can prevent abuse for everyone.
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