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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 1, 2019 13:42:41 GMT -5
there is literally not a shred of fact in your response, ed. who paid for the dossier with Russian ties, who got caught on a hot mic talking about what they can do after the re-election. Unlike the dems trying to connect the dots like a 2 year old with a crayon all over the place there are real facts on dems crap Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to Ukraine
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 13:49:22 GMT -5
who paid for the dossier with Russian ties, who got caught on a hot mic talking about what they can do after the re-election. Unlike the dems trying to connect the dots like a 2 year old with a crayon all over the place there are real facts on dems crap Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to Ukraineand that doesn't even address the 10 counts of obstruction from the Mueller report, the emoluments cases, and the campaign finance CONVICTION which implicated Trump.
the only president in recent history that approached this level of corruption and obstruction is Nixon.
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Post by phil5185 on Dec 1, 2019 14:11:38 GMT -5
""I was nine years old in 1956 when I read that Russia’s Communist leader Nikita Khrushchev said, “We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within....” I distinctly remember thinking at my tender age, “That will never happen.” And now I am horrified to see Khrushchev’s words coming true. President Trump, in a press conference with Russia’s Vladimir Putin at the conclusion of the Helsinki summit conference, T sided with Putin saying that Russia is not tampering with our elections. “No collusion,” said Trump. He denigrated our Justice Department, our intelligence community, to the delight of Putin. I weep for America. by Barbara Fowler Orlando """ ""I was born in the early 1950s. I remember in elementary school we would have air raid drills to plan for the day that Russia would invade the U.S. We never could have anticipated that one day they would invade our country without putting one Russian soldier on American soil or bombing the U.S. "" lol - it has been anticipated before.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 14:17:13 GMT -5
yeah, it took much longer than Barbara anticipated.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 1, 2019 16:24:21 GMT -5
Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to Ukraineand that doesn't even address the 10 counts of obstruction from the Mueller report, the emoluments cases, and the campaign finance CONVICTION which implicated Trump.
the only president in recent history that approached this level of corruption and obstruction is Nixon.
Get a load of this crock of crap. Poll: Majority of Republicans say Trump better president than Lincoln
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 16:43:27 GMT -5
and that doesn't even address the 10 counts of obstruction from the Mueller report, the emoluments cases, and the campaign finance CONVICTION which implicated Trump.
the only president in recent history that approached this level of corruption and obstruction is Nixon.
Get a load of this crock of crap. Poll: Majority of Republicans say Trump better president than LincolnI wonder how that poll varies by region.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 1, 2019 16:58:08 GMT -5
I wonder how that poll varies by region.
Page 266. Region was only by total of those polled, regardless of party affiliation, who believe trump is better than Lincoln. The South had the highest rating for trump being a better president than Lincoln: 31% (Northeast, Midwest, and West; 17%, 20%, and 25%). By Party ID, Republicans polled believed trump is a better president than Lincoln 53% to 47%. Democrats and Independents there was no contest which of the two were better: Lincoln by a landslide, as was the total, Lincoln 75% and trump 25%. The Economist/YouGov Poll November 24 - 26, 2019 - 1500 US Adult citizens
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Post by kadee79 on Dec 1, 2019 17:39:56 GMT -5
Since Lincoln would most likely be a Democrat today....the dumb poll really makes sense. And besides that...those folks have little idea of what Lincoln did during his presidency....ask them what he accomplished & see what they answer! Bet they don't know of anything other than freeing the slaves. learnodo-newtonic.com/abraham-lincoln-accomplishments
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 17:56:43 GMT -5
The South had the highest rating for trump being a better president than Lincoln: 31% (Northeast, Midwest, and West; 17%, 20%, and 25%).
yeah, that is what I figured. take away the South, and it is not even close.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 1, 2019 18:21:38 GMT -5
yes, actually.
what I said logically follows. if you disagree, either delete post 14, or amend it.
Go fly a kite!
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Post by ednkris on Dec 1, 2019 18:51:30 GMT -5
who paid for the dossier with Russian ties, who got caught on a hot mic talking about what they can do after the re-election. Unlike the dems trying to connect the dots like a 2 year old with a crayon all over the place there are real facts on dems crap 1: Fusion GPS paid for it. and there is nothing wrong with that, at all. 2: I don't understand point #2. you talking about Obama there? you seriously think that the Obama administration was more cozy with Putin from a policy standpoint than Trump? because I don't have words to describe how stupid that sounds. Putin hated Obama, and hated Clinton even more. that is pretty much WHY Russia did what they did in 2016. your failure to acknowledge that is deeply disturbing to me.
1. Clinton campaign paid fusion gps after trump nomination. 2. Obama was president up to and beyond 2016 election HUMMM
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Post by ednkris on Dec 1, 2019 19:00:19 GMT -5
who paid for the dossier with Russian ties, who got caught on a hot mic talking about what they can do after the re-election. Unlike the dems trying to connect the dots like a 2 year old with a crayon all over the place there are real facts on dems crap Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to UkraineThe real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 1, 2019 19:14:53 GMT -5
... It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination Timing very much suggests otherwise (still).
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Post by tallguy on Dec 1, 2019 19:18:32 GMT -5
Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to UkraineThe real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
I would suggest that you get a clue, but I doubt you could find one with GPS and a flashlight.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 1, 2019 19:22:36 GMT -5
Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to UkraineThe real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
LOL-Says the guy who states Hillary Clinton should be in prison even though he also claims everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 20:23:10 GMT -5
yes, actually.
what I said logically follows. if you disagree, either delete post 14, or amend it.
Go fly a kite! now now. that is not really in the Holiday sprit, is it?
so, fine, you actually DON'T agree with bills. thanks for clearing that up. no further questions.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 20:26:09 GMT -5
1: Fusion GPS paid for it. and there is nothing wrong with that, at all. 2: I don't understand point #2. you talking about Obama there? you seriously think that the Obama administration was more cozy with Putin from a policy standpoint than Trump? because I don't have words to describe how stupid that sounds. Putin hated Obama, and hated Clinton even more. that is pretty much WHY Russia did what they did in 2016. your failure to acknowledge that is deeply disturbing to me.
1. Clinton campaign paid fusion gps after trump nomination. 2. Obama was president up to and beyond 2016 election HUMMM
1. and members of the GOP opposition paid for Fusion GPS before the nomination. so, using your logic, the GOP should receive equal criticism from you. I haven't seen that. 2. now I REALLY don't understand your point. did Putin start loving Obama after Trump got elected? did he start loving Clinton?
seriously, ed. I am lost here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2019 20:29:23 GMT -5
Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to UkraineThe real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so.
I am not sure at all that it is within his authority to seek an investigation against an individual. but I am certain that it is well outside the scope of his duties, personally. he should be administering, not telling the CIA and FBI what SPECIFICALLY to do.
but beyond that point, it most certainly is not within his authority to ask them to investigate a claim that has no basis whatsoever (and yes, he could easily have come to know that, if he was curious enough and respectful enough to ask the question and accept the answer) in exchange for military aid. I know you and him don't think so, but you are in an extreme minority in legal terms. and that's perfectly alright, since the Constitution has a mechanism for resolving the debate.
it is called Impeachment.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 1, 2019 21:42:55 GMT -5
And I am most certainly keeping it. Russia helps get him in again, by the end of the next 4, even you people will see what a dictator he has become. And he may even start a dynasty. People were worried about a Kennedy dynasty. People worried about a Bush dynasty. People were worried about a Clinton dynasty. You do not have to worry about a Trump dynasty. America does not like family political dynasties in the WH.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 2, 2019 0:06:02 GMT -5
1. Clinton campaign paid fusion gps after trump nomination. 2. Obama was president up to and beyond 2016 election HUMMM
1. and members of the GOP opposition paid for Fusion GPS before the nomination. so, using your logic, the GOP should receive equal criticism from you. I haven't seen that. 2. now I REALLY don't understand your point. did Putin start loving Obama after Trump got elected? did he start loving Clinton?
seriously, ed. I am lost here.
1. The gop won't get equal criticism because they stopped when he received the nomination. The dems continued and tried to hide it. 2. The meaning is that Russia was interfering then obama administration let it happen.
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 0:17:15 GMT -5
1. Clinton campaign paid fusion gps after trump nomination. 2. Obama was president up to and beyond 2016 election HUMMM
1. and members of the GOP opposition paid for Fusion GPS before the nomination. so, using your logic, the GOP should receive equal criticism from you. I haven't seen that. 2. now I REALLY don't understand your point. did Putin start loving Obama after Trump got elected? did he start loving Clinton?
seriously, ed. I am lost here.
I doubt it’s you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2019 2:14:37 GMT -5
1. and members of the GOP opposition paid for Fusion GPS before the nomination. so, using your logic, the GOP should receive equal criticism from you. I haven't seen that. 2. now I REALLY don't understand your point. did Putin start loving Obama after Trump got elected? did he start loving Clinton?
seriously, ed. I am lost here.
1. The gop won't get equal criticism because they stopped when he received the nomination. The dems continued and tried to hide it. 2. The meaning is that Russia was interfering then obama administration let it happen. 1. that makes no sense to me. and the GOP hid it, as well. 2. yes, he did, and for very good reason, imo. can you imagine what would have happened if Obama had tried to stop it? just think about it. please. i have. and i get it. completely. he was quite literally in an impossible position, imo.
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Post by seriousthistime on Dec 2, 2019 7:47:13 GMT -5
""I was nine years old in 1956 when I read that Russia’s Communist leader Nikita Khrushchev said, “We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within....” I distinctly remember thinking at my tender age, “That will never happen.” And now I am horrified to see Khrushchev’s words coming true. President Trump, in a press conference with Russia’s Vladimir Putin at the conclusion of the Helsinki summit conference, T sided with Putin saying that Russia is not tampering with our elections. “No collusion,” said Trump. He denigrated our Justice Department, our intelligence community, to the delight of Putin. I weep for America. by Barbara Fowler Orlando """ ""I was born in the early 1950s. I remember in elementary school we would have air raid drills to plan for the day that Russia would invade the U.S. We never could have anticipated that one day they would invade our country without putting one Russian soldier on American soil or bombing the U.S. "" lol - it has been anticipated before.
Thanks, phil5185, for the quote. The person you cite wrote this in a letter to the editor. The quote itself has apparently has been researched and debunked. It was supposedly part of a longer quote, only part of which has been authenticated. The Big Picture –By Glynn Wilson –“We will take America without firing a shot….”It’s almost too bad that there’s no truth to the long-held rumor that Soviet First Secretary Nikita Khrushchev used some form of this quote while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.Because it appears that Russia has taken over America — from inside the White House.There is much dispute about the English translation of what Khrushchev actually said from interpreter Viktor Sukhodrev.A longer form of the quote can be found all over the internets using any search engine.“We will take America without firing a shot …. We will BURY YOU! We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”The only portion of this quote that has been confirmed is the part “We will bury you,” and that interpretation has even been disputed by the New York Times. Some even inaccurately attribute the quote to Lenin or even Stalin.www.newamericanjournal.net/2019/01/russia-takes-america-without-firing-a-shot/
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Was Obama trying to get dirt from Putin on someone who would be running against him for president like trump did? Did Obama offer foreign aid to Putin on the condition Putin supply dirt on Obama's opponents in the election? These are the real facts: trump wanted dirt from Ukraine on the Bidens in return for already approved foreign aid. When trump found about about the whistleblower letter and its contents, the foreign aid was released. Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released Aid to UkraineThe real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
Unfortunately, statistics are against you. The GOP is the party of older white men, and as they die off, the young whippersnappers replacing them tend to be more democratic or independent voters. Even socialists.
Just like the Fox news audience, the GOP's base is aging itself out of existence.
By the way, since you're so certain of your facts, please explain to me why, if Trump was so invested in fixing the Ukraine's corruption problem, there was no list of other corrupt oligarchs operating in the Ukraine that Trump wanted investigated? Biden and his son would only scratch the surface of that country's corruption, so why wasn't Trump going after the big players? I know the answer, but I want to see if you do, too. Or will admit to it.
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2019 11:24:39 GMT -5
Like that’s going to happen.🤡
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2019 16:55:22 GMT -5
The real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
Unfortunately, statistics are against you. The GOP is the party of older white men, and as they die off, the young whippersnappers replacing them tend to be more democratic or independent voters. Even socialists.
Just like the Fox news audience, the GOP's base is aging itself out of existence.
By the way, since you're so certain of your facts, please explain to me why, if Trump was so invested in fixing the Ukraine's corruption problem, there was no list of other corrupt oligarchs operating in the Ukraine that Trump wanted investigated? Biden and his son would only scratch the surface of that country's corruption, so why wasn't Trump going after the big players? I know the answer, but I want to see if you do, too. Or will admit to it.
I asked the same question, or rather, suggested that it is not even remotely his role as present to go after US residents individually, no matter who they are. we have law enforcement for that, and like it or not, Trump is not law enforcement.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 12:36:00 GMT -5
The real fact is Trump was asking the Ukraine to investigate if there was any wrong doing with in the Biden family. Well within his authority to do so. It just so happens that biden is seeking a nomination from the dems. Even ukrain said there was no quid-pro-quo it is all falling apart. They will probably still impeach since they went this far and they have to save face with their blood thirsty base. Thankfully the senate will have more common sense to realize there's no real evidence to back anything up.
The dem party is so crooked just look at what they did to Kavanaugh a respected Judge beyond reproach and they tried to dig up a half baked scheme of rape so sad so disgusting. The country would benefit so much if they would keep a republican in the white house for the next 20 years or so then maybe all these nasty dems will start to retire
Unfortunately, statistics are against you. The GOP is the party of older white men, and as they die off, the young whippersnappers replacing them tend to be more democratic or independent voters. Even socialists.
Just like the Fox news audience, the GOP's base is aging itself out of existence.
By the way, since you're so certain of your facts, please explain to me why, if Trump was so invested in fixing the Ukraine's corruption problem, there was no list of other corrupt oligarchs operating in the Ukraine that Trump wanted investigated? Biden and his son would only scratch the surface of that country's corruption, so why wasn't Trump going after the big players? I know the answer, but I want to see if you do, too. Or will admit to it.
....and why didn't Trump want to "fix the corruption" in every country from Russia to Saudi Arabia? There's a whole lot of corruption there. Why the Ukraine? Because...Biden. He wanted dirt on Biden.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 3, 2019 12:54:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately, statistics are against you. The GOP is the party of older white men, and as they die off, the young whippersnappers replacing them tend to be more democratic or independent voters. Even socialists.
Just like the Fox news audience, the GOP's base is aging itself out of existence.
By the way, since you're so certain of your facts, please explain to me why, if Trump was so invested in fixing the Ukraine's corruption problem, there was no list of other corrupt oligarchs operating in the Ukraine that Trump wanted investigated? Biden and his son would only scratch the surface of that country's corruption, so why wasn't Trump going after the big players? I know the answer, but I want to see if you do, too. Or will admit to it.
....and why didn't Trump want to "fix the corruption" in every country from Russia to Saudi Arabia? There's a whole lot of corruption there. Why the Ukraine? Because...Biden. He wanted dirt on Biden. He didn't even actually want the dirt - he just needed the Ukraine to go on CNN and announce that they were opening an investigation against the Bidens for possible corruption.
Note that he specified CNN, not Fox, because he wanted a network mostly watched by liberals, for the best negative impact on the Biden campaign.
Whether or not they actually found any dirt doesn't matter to Trump, as long as the stink of corruption was enough to push the election in Trump's favor.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 14:18:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately, statistics are against you. The GOP is the party of older white men, and as they die off, the young whippersnappers replacing them tend to be more democratic or independent voters. Even socialists.
Just like the Fox news audience, the GOP's base is aging itself out of existence.
By the way, since you're so certain of your facts, please explain to me why, if Trump was so invested in fixing the Ukraine's corruption problem, there was no list of other corrupt oligarchs operating in the Ukraine that Trump wanted investigated? Biden and his son would only scratch the surface of that country's corruption, so why wasn't Trump going after the big players? I know the answer, but I want to see if you do, too. Or will admit to it.
....and why didn't Trump want to "fix the corruption" in every country from Russia to Saudi Arabia? There's a whole lot of corruption there. Why the Ukraine? Because...Biden. He wanted dirt on Biden. I wonder what he would have done if the "links" Biden had were to RUSSIA.
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