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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 13:44:32 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 13, 2019 13:51:34 GMT -5
There's an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
DACA was not broke. DACA is a well liked, well supported program. Trump could have just left it alone. But he has to play to his racist base and end it by trying to put it on Congress.
Ending DACA is not going to help the GOP win the growing Hispanic vote. The 2020 political scene will be full of stories of promising near doctors and other promising young people losing their DACA status and being deported. That isn't going to sit well with a majority of Americans who support DACA.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 13:54:28 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
What type of plan would that be? All trump has to do is sign one of his numerous Executive Orders allowing these people to remain in the country. Sounds like a pretty easy fix to me. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 13, 2019 13:55:50 GMT -5
People who support DACA aren't going to blame Congress for the thousands of deportations of the best and brightest young people. They are going to blame the guy who went all the way to the SC to end DACA.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 14:33:27 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
having this go to the SCOTUS is good for Democrats.
want me to explain why? I think they win either way.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:16:41 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
having this go to the SCOTUS is good for Democrats.
want me to explain why? I think they win either way.
The Congress could have fixed this long before now. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 21:21:38 GMT -5
having this go to the SCOTUS is good for Democrats.
want me to explain why? I think they win either way.
The Congress could have fixed this long before now. divided government made that impossible. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:24:18 GMT -5
The Congress could have fixed this long before now. divided government made that impossible. Democrats have majority in the House, and there are Republican Senators that would vote for it also. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 21:25:20 GMT -5
divided government made that impossible. Democrats have majority in the House, and there are Republican Senators that would vote for it also. Mitch won't bring it up for a vote. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:28:21 GMT -5
Democrats have majority in the House, and there are Republican Senators that would vote for it also. Mitch won't bring it up for a vote. I don't know about that, A lot of my Conservative friend have no problem with DACA, I most certainly don't. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 21:29:21 GMT -5
divided government made that impossible. Democrats have majority in the House, and there are Republican Senators that would vote for it also. All trump has to do is sign an Executive Order allowing them to permanently stay. Congress not required. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 21:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:36:26 GMT -5
He will if he gets backlash from Conservatives.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:37:46 GMT -5
Democrats have majority in the House, and there are Republican Senators that would vote for it also. All trump has to do is sign an Executive Order allowing them to permanently stay. Congress not required. His Executive Order would just as good as Obama's. look what happened to it. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:39:04 GMT -5
And Trump said it was up to Congress to fix it!! They didn't!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 22:04:41 GMT -5
He will if he gets backlash from Conservatives.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 22:20:29 GMT -5
All trump has to do is sign an Executive Order allowing them to permanently stay. Congress not required. His Executive Order would just as good as Obama's. look what happened to it. The next president could be pro-DACA. What's the problem? |
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Post by steff on Nov 13, 2019 22:54:55 GMT -5
More willful ignorance. 200+ bills passed in the House that Mitch won't bring to the Senate floor. The Do Nothing Republicans in the Senate have abdicated their responsibilities. There's absolutely 1 part of Congress that isn't doing their jobs, but it's not the Democrat controlled House, it's the Republican controlled Senate.
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Post by dezii on Nov 13, 2019 23:08:47 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
I believe your charge was mentioned not so long ago...If I remember correctly, the response was over 200 new bills, legislation were passed in that time period...Congress is able to multi task very well...which u know but your more interested in  then anything else...getting tired actually..{sigh}  |
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Post by dezii on Nov 13, 2019 23:11:33 GMT -5
More willful ignorance. 200+ bills passed in the House that Mitch won't bring to the Senate floor. The Do Nothing Republicans in the Senate have abdicated their responsibilities. There's absolutely 1 part of Congress that isn't doing their jobs, but it's not the Democrat controlled House, it's the Republican controlled Senate.  ...didn't see your post....thus mine below...but my accusation against the poster who brought up the FALSE claim stands... |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 10:28:27 GMT -5
His Executive Order would just as good as Obama's. look what happened to it. The next president could be pro-DACA. What's the problem? No, Trump left it up to Congress. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 14, 2019 10:30:45 GMT -5
The next president could be pro-DACA. What's the problem? No, Trump left it up to Congress. The Republican controlled Senate won't bring up the House passed bill. Trump csn sign an Executive Order. Easy peasy. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 11:24:00 GMT -5
Actually Congress and trump had a deal all worked out to save DACA a while ago. Trump was backing it until he did an about face and, pandering to his racist base element, scuttled the DACA provision. Congress tried. Trump lied. Now apparently young people will die. I can't say I am surprised or upset at the court if they rule that Trump can scuttle it. In by the EO, out by the EO. (NOTE: I haven't closely looked at the case) But having said that, trump could still just as easily let these worthy people stay as the very productive residents that they are. Exactly the type of young people we want becoming citizens and keeping our population up, nation of immigrants that we ALL are. That he is looking to scuttle it again speaks volumes about just who he is. Who brought the lawsuit? |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 11:32:24 GMT -5
This brings up another thing, Because Trump is a businessman , everything is a negotiation, If you had given trump his wall, You would have DACA, you would have had immigration reform, and other smaller things,
But no, No wall, No DACA unless Congress does it! My guess is, the Courts will back Trump! Good bye kids, just think all of this could have been avoided ,, if you had given Trump his wall! It is all your fault!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 14, 2019 11:41:24 GMT -5
This brings up another thing, Because Trump is a businessman , everything is a negotiation,
yeah, including rules, laws, norms, ethics, morals, etc.
it is a serious problem with him, and other people like him.
Freshman Relativism is not a good way to govern.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 14, 2019 11:45:31 GMT -5
The wall is a bad solution. It will be expensive and ineffective. It makes no sense to trade one problem for another problem. I am not even convinced the Republicans want the Democrats to agree to their deal. They used to be all about fiscal conservatism. I think they were counting on a solid no from the D's.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 14, 2019 12:09:12 GMT -5
he is so simple minded.
#worstpresidentever
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 14, 2019 21:04:22 GMT -5
Seem to me that the House should have been working on a plan to keep the DACA kids here. Trump said that it was up to Congress to take care of it. But the House decided to waste all this time and effort to impeach Trump instead! So, if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, it will be because of Trump! sure' Way to go Democrats,, 800,000 of your future voters down the drain!
There was no path to citizenship, so they were never going to be able to vote. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 15, 2019 13:04:38 GMT -5
they are more likely to become citizens in the absence of DACA, if they are not deported first.
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