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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 12, 2019 10:58:59 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents. If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!) It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer." I don't know...millenials have been called lazy entitled whiners for more than 10 years with no sights on letting up. Sometimes you have to give up on being polite and talk to people the way they talk to you which I think is where the "ok boomer" sentiment is coming from.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 12, 2019 11:04:16 GMT -5
I'm not. Perhaps that is how it started but this week I've seen it all over, mainly when reading comments to articles online. Much like men can say a word about anything iwthout being accused of "mansplaining" it seems "ok boomer" is the new way to try to shut down opinions that the millennials don't like (I'm assuming the comments are coming from millennials, otherwise it is even more idiotic to say). It's all about the tone. I know when I'm being talked down to by someone who doesn't have a clue, versus a guy with years of experience in my field. I welcome the instruction by someone who knows what they're doing. The attorney who has never tried a case in his life explaining how to handle a complicated evidentiary issue, not so much. For you, but you are a reasonable person who isn't offended over EVERYTHING.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 11:57:17 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents. If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!) It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer." I don't know...millenials have been called lazy entitled whiners for more than 10 years with no sights on letting up. Sometimes you have to give up on being polite and talk to people the way they talk to you which I think is where the "ok boomer" sentiment is coming from. And you think the boomers weren't called the same thing by previous generations? "Kids today . . . " was the universal introductory phrase to criticism remarkably similar to what is now said about the millennial generation. It's been known as the generation gap for 50 years or more. And boomers get hit on a lot about how we treated our houses like ATMS, our SS is bankrupting the nation, and so on and so on and so on. It isn't just millennials or Gen X or whoever that gets a bad rap. But you should never give up on being polite. Exchanging taunts is never the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 12:07:45 GMT -5
It isn't just millennials or Gen X or whoever that gets a bad rap. Don't drag us into this Boomer/Millenial fight! We're very boring. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm feeling a little left out on not having a derogatory term attached to my generation. I have middle child syndrome. My kids thought Gen Z was too boring, so they call themselves Zoomers. I hope it sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -5
It isn't just millennials or Gen X or whoever that gets a bad rap. Don't drag us into this Boomer/Millenial fight! We're very boring. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm feeling a little left out on not having a derogatory term attached to my generation. I have middle child syndrome. My kids thought Gen Z was too boring, so they call themselves Zoomers. I hope it sticks.
I think you are left out because your generation represents the Boomers' kids for the most part. We have only ourselves to blame on how you turned out. Zoomer is cute! I hope it sticks, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -5
Now that I look it up, my youngest is not a Zoomer. He's an Alpha. Good God, I'd better not tell him that. I'll let him keep thinking he's a cute little Zoomer.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2019 15:12:55 GMT -5
It isn't just millennials or Gen X or whoever that gets a bad rap. Don't drag us into this Boomer/Millenial fight! We're very boring. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm feeling a little left out on not having a derogatory term attached to my generation. I have middle child syndrome. My kids thought Gen Z was too boring, so they call themselves Zoomers. I hope it sticks.
My kids call themselves iGen because they are raised on the iPhone. I like Zoomers too. Seems like Gen X is the only generation to not get a cool name. Proving we are too lazy to even name ourselves.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2019 15:24:14 GMT -5
Don't drag us into this Boomer/Millenial fight! We're very boring. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm feeling a little left out on not having a derogatory term attached to my generation. I have middle child syndrome. My kids thought Gen Z was too boring, so they call themselves Zoomers. I hope it sticks.
My kids call themselves iGen because they are raised on the iPhone. I like Zoomers too. Seems like Gen X is the only generation to not get a cool name. Proving we are too lazy to even name ourselves. Apathetic, not lazy. We're emotionally scarred by being raised by boomers.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2019 15:29:59 GMT -5
Just how bad is California’s student math performance? You can judge for yourself, based on the following question that was asked to 11th graders: Add the square root of 16 and the third root of 8.
The square root of 16 is 4 (4 x 4) and the third root of 8 is 2 (2 x 2 x 2). Four plus two is six. Doable for a 17-year old who has been taking mathematics, yes?
No. Only about 37 percent of students answered the question correctly. This percentage is not much above 25 percent, which would have been the number of correct answers if students had simply randomly guessed from the four possible answers provided. (from Phil's linked article) How bad is it that only about a third of 17 year olds could answer a question about square and third roots? I am a moderately successful 62 year old human being who didn't even know that there was such a thing as a "third root". Also I am not sure why the "senior fellow" who wrote the article inaccurately indicates "25 percent ... would be the number of correct answers" while it would actually be the approximate percentage of correct answers if all students did a truly random selection.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 12, 2019 15:30:28 GMT -5
I once read an article about how being born in 83 I am neither Gen Z or a Millenial. The article dubbed people my age Xennials. I kept using that around the house till DH threatened to strangle me. I know third roots but I haven't used them outside of school. That's one of those things I could easily look up. Memorization for memorization's sake is not efficient use of my brain space. Now if you ask me to calculate the slope of a line I have that memorized because I used it every single day for 5 years. I don't consider people who haven't used that formula since school and therefore cannot spout it off the top of their head to be less intelligent than me. I'm sure they know/remember stuff that I would have to look up if asked.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2019 15:44:38 GMT -5
I had a student once tell me she was too lazy to memorize the times table. I told her I was too lazy to always have to look for calculator.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2019 16:36:23 GMT -5
Just how bad is California’s student math performance? You can judge for yourself, based on the following question that was asked to 11th graders: Add the square root of 16 and the third root of 8.
The square root of 16 is 4 (4 x 4) and the third root of 8 is 2 (2 x 2 x 2). Four plus two is six. Doable for a 17-year old who has been taking mathematics, yes?
No. Only about 37 percent of students answered the question correctly. This percentage is not much above 25 percent, which would have been the number of correct answers if students had simply randomly guessed from the four possible answers provided. (from Phil's linked article) How bad is it that only about a third of 17 year olds could answer a question about square and third roots? I am a moderately successful 62 year old human being who didn't even know that there was such a thing as a "third root". Also I am not sure why the "senior fellow" who wrote the article inaccurately indicates "25 percent ... would be the number of correct answers" while it would actually be the approximate percentage of correct answers if all students did a truly random selection. I successfully completed AP calc in HS, and then a bachelor's degree and a doctorate, and I have never ever ever freaking heard of a third root. I've done OK without that little bit of knowledge.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2019 16:37:00 GMT -5
I had a student once tell me she was too lazy to memorize the times table. I told her I was too lazy to always have to look for calculator. she doesn't have to look, there is a calculator app on phones.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 12, 2019 16:41:55 GMT -5
I had a student once tell me she was too lazy to memorize the times table. I told her I was too lazy to always have to look for calculator. she doesn't have to look, there is a calculator app on phones. But then you have to find your phone.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2019 16:48:12 GMT -5
I had a student once tell me she was too lazy to memorize the times table. I told her I was too lazy to always have to look for calculator. she doesn't have to look, there is a calculator app on phones. I'm old. This was before we all had cell phones surgically attached to our bodies.
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Post by dannylion on Nov 12, 2019 16:58:45 GMT -5
Just how bad is California’s student math performance? You can judge for yourself, based on the following question that was asked to 11th graders: Add the square root of 16 and the third root of 8.
The square root of 16 is 4 (4 x 4) and the third root of 8 is 2 (2 x 2 x 2). Four plus two is six. Doable for a 17-year old who has been taking mathematics, yes?
No. Only about 37 percent of students answered the question correctly. This percentage is not much above 25 percent, which would have been the number of correct answers if students had simply randomly guessed from the four possible answers provided. (from Phil's linked article) How bad is it that only about a third of 17 year olds could answer a question about square and third roots? I am a moderately successful 62 year old human being who didn't even know that there was such a thing as a "third root". Also I am not sure why the "senior fellow" who wrote the article inaccurately indicates "25 percent ... would be the number of correct answers" while it would actually be the approximate percentage of correct answers if all students did a truly random selection. I successfully completed AP calc in HS, and then a bachelor's degree and a doctorate, and I have never ever ever freaking heard of a third root. I've done OK without that little bit of knowledge. AKA "cube root." Maybe calling it "third root" is a regional thing.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 12, 2019 17:37:57 GMT -5
I successfully completed AP calc in HS, and then a bachelor's degree and a doctorate, and I have never ever ever freaking heard of a third root. I've done OK without that little bit of knowledge. AKA "cube root." Maybe calling it "third root" is a regional thing. Or is calling it a cube root a cultural/racial thing that we need to stop doing?
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Post by dannylion on Nov 12, 2019 17:43:10 GMT -5
AKA "cube root." Maybe calling it "third root" is a regional thing. Or is calling it a cube root a cultural/racial thing that we need to stop doing? WTFO?
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Post by dannylion on Nov 12, 2019 18:04:15 GMT -5
What do I know? I'm just a stupid, worthless boomer. And speaking of which, I miss the good old days when we could be feel proud of being hated for ourselves, each in our own way. Now we're just hated because of when we were born. There is clearly a conspiracy afoot to discredit all that effort we put in to become insufferable in unique and varied ways.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2019 18:34:13 GMT -5
My kids call themselves iGen because they are raised on the iPhone. I like Zoomers too. Seems like Gen X is the only generation to not get a cool name. Proving we are too lazy to even name ourselves. Apathetic, not lazy. We're emotionally scarred by being raised by boomers. With good reason. I was raised by the silent generation. I have been instilled with feeling like no one gives a shit about me because I'm not a boomer.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 12, 2019 18:43:11 GMT -5
Apathetic, not lazy. We're emotionally scarred by being raised by boomers. With good reason. I was raised by the silent generation. I have been instilled with feeling like no one gives a shit about me because I'm not a boomer. ADD: or millenial
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2019 18:55:47 GMT -5
I successfully completed AP calc in HS, and then a bachelor's degree and a doctorate, and I have never ever ever freaking heard of a third root. I've done OK without that little bit of knowledge. AKA "cube root." Maybe calling it "third root" is a regional thing. Ok I’ve heard of a cube root. But I’ve managed to make it this far in my life and nobody has ever asked me about them.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2019 18:58:40 GMT -5
With good reason. I was raised by the silent generation. I have been instilled with feeling like no one gives a shit about me because I'm not a boomer. ADD: or millenial Well, the millennial part wasn't instilled in me as I was growing up, given they weren't a thing yet. But now, correct, we are stuck in the middle. We will have to choose a side. I think there are about 100M Boomers and older, and 75M millennials. If GenX has more agreement with Millennials than old people, we can sway the vote. Gen Z can really make a difference, but only 1/3rd of them will be eligible to vote in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 19:04:53 GMT -5
Well, the millennial part wasn't instilled in me as I was growing up, given they weren't a thing yet. But now, correct, we are stuck in the middle. We will have to choose a side. I think there are about 100M Boomers and older, and 75M millennials. If GenX has more agreement with Millennials than old people, we can sway the vote. Gen Z can really make a difference, but only 1/3rd of them will be eligible to vote in 2020.My son will be and he's pretty excited to finally be heard. He's way more into politics than I am.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2019 19:13:11 GMT -5
Well, the millennial part wasn't instilled in me as I was growing up, given they weren't a thing yet. But now, correct, we are stuck in the middle. We will have to choose a side. I think there are about 100M Boomers and older, and 75M millennials. If GenX has more agreement with Millennials than old people, we can sway the vote. Gen Z can really make a difference, but only 1/3rd of them will be eligible to vote in 2020.My son will be and he's pretty excited to finally be heard. He's way more into politics than I am. My daughter will be voting, too. I told her that I am sorry if I forced my political beliefs on her, and she can make any political decisions she wants. She said her school was going to turn her left no matter what was happening at home. Her charter school markets itself as a safe place for LGBTQ teens. It isn't just that, but that is a marker of the type of "culture" they have there. They had to have a sit down with their teachers that they had to be more coy when bashing Trump, as a few parents were getting upset with the overt political opinions being thrust onto their kids. So, there is one more anti-Trump vote. Arizona turning purple, one young person at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 19:39:37 GMT -5
I was thinking about this Boomer thing on the drive home. I'm in kind of a unique situation in that I have two sets of parents that are very different. My Mom and Stepdad are just high school grads, but have worked their way up. My mom worked the same company for 47 years. My stepdad joined the service, and then worked for the Army Corps of Engineers on the river as a crane operator the rest of his career. They have built a very good life for themselves. Been retired for years, lots of money (partially due to 3 pensions between the two of them) Both are VERY condescending to the Millenials and judgemental of those that don't do things the way they do/did. They roll their eyes at the idea of sending DS to college and when my Ex was unemployed and not paying child support my mom told me I should apply to collect child support from the state, after all, "as long as all those whining liberals were going to insist on having all these safety nets with her taxes I might as well use them". Uh...what? The state doesn't pay child support. Comments like that totally deserve an "Ok Boomer" as far as I'm concerned, but lord knows I would never say that to her because I wouldn't hear the end of it for months. It's best to just ignore and think the "Ok Boomer" in my head. Now, my Dad and Stepmom. Totally different. Both college educated, also retired with lots of money, but no pensions. They have strong political opinions but don't shove them down people's throats and will listen and be respectful to someone that disagrees. They embrace the younger generations and are way more in touch with the challenges they face and understanding of the issues that concern them. Their house is the one where all their kids friends like to hang out at and consider them their Mom and Dad as well. I mean, my brother and sister are in their 40's and still their friends are "family" to my Dad and stepmom. They save for money for my kids for college with no strings. They have never said a word to try to influence where he goes or what he studies. Not one word. Just nothing but support and encouragement. Meanwhile, when I bring up college plans to my Mom, she just ignores or tries to change the subject. If pushed it usually ends up in a lecture about kids "wasting money going away to college, and OMG, maybe even an out of state one?! How ridiculous is that? It's that older generation mindset that is maddening to the Millenials because it isn't the same world as it was when the Boomers graduated high school.
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I was thinking about this Boomer thing on the drive home. I'm in kind of a unique situation in that I have two sets of parents that are very different. My Mom and Stepdad are just high school grads, but have worked their way up. My mom worked the same company for 47 years. My stepdad joined the service, and then worked for the Army Corps of Engineers on the river as a crane operator the rest of his career. They have built a very good life for themselves. Been retired for years, lots of money (partially due to 3 pensions between the two of them) Both are VERY condescending to the Millenials and judgemental of those that don't do things the way they do/did. They roll their eyes at the idea of sending DS to college and when my Ex was unemployed and not paying child support my mom told me I should apply to collect child support from the state, after all, "as long as all those whining liberals were going to insist on having all these safety nets with her taxes I might as well use them". Uh...what? The state doesn't pay child support. Comments like that totally deserve an "Ok Boomer" as far as I'm concerned, but lord knows I would never say that to her because I wouldn't hear the end of it for months. It's best to just ignore and think the "Ok Boomer" in my head. Now, my Dad and Stepmom. Totally different. Both college educated, also retired with lots of money, but no pensions. They have strong political opinions but don't shove them down people's throats and will listen and be respectful to someone that disagrees. They embrace the younger generations and are way more in touch with the challenges they face and understanding of the issues that concern them. Their house is the one where all their kids friends like to hang out at and consider them their Mom and Dad as well. I mean, my brother and sister are in their 40's and still their friends are "family" to my Dad and stepmom. They save for money for my kids for college with no strings. They have never said a word to try to influence where he goes or what he studies. Not one word. Just nothing but support and encouragement. Meanwhile, when I bring up college plans to my Mom, she just ignores or tries to change the subject. If pushed it usually ends up in a lecture about kids "wasting money going away to college, and OMG, maybe even an out of state one?! How ridiculous is that? It's that older generation mindset that is maddening to the Millenials because it isn't the same world as it was when the Boomers graduated high school. But what you are describing really isn't a Boomer mindset. It is your parents' mindset. I am a boomer, and I'm a second generation college graduate. There wasn't always enough to eat when I was growing up, but there was a college trust fund. The aunt who was a lawyer persuaded my mother to put the money in when she collected the insurance when he died. Smart because like most, the rest quickly disappeared. Education was valued in my family, but I would never say that is a trait of any particular generation. It is just a family value. I valued it for my kids, and my kids value it for their kids. And it isn't because we were rich. My grandparents were farmers who didn't graduate from high school. Yet all four of their kids went to college--my uncle (business), my father (engineer), one aunt (teacher), and another aunt (nursing and then later law). My ex's father never went to college; his wife did when her own kids were in high school. Both of their kids went to college and majored in math with a business minor. Don't assume that not caring about college is a Boomer value. It is a personal value.
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I was thinking about this Boomer thing on the drive home. I'm in kind of a unique situation in that I have two sets of parents that are very different. My Mom and Stepdad are just high school grads, but have worked their way up. My mom worked the same company for 47 years. My stepdad joined the service, and then worked for the Army Corps of Engineers on the river as a crane operator the rest of his career. They have built a very good life for themselves. Been retired for years, lots of money (partially due to 3 pensions between the two of them) Both are VERY condescending to the Millenials and judgemental of those that don't do things the way they do/did. They roll their eyes at the idea of sending DS to college and when my Ex was unemployed and not paying child support my mom told me I should apply to collect child support from the state, after all, "as long as all those whining liberals were going to insist on having all these safety nets with her taxes I might as well use them". Uh...what? The state doesn't pay child support. Comments like that totally deserve an "Ok Boomer" as far as I'm concerned, but lord knows I would never say that to her because I wouldn't hear the end of it for months. It's best to just ignore and think the "Ok Boomer" in my head. Now, my Dad and Stepmom. Totally different. Both college educated, also retired with lots of money, but no pensions. They have strong political opinions but don't shove them down people's throats and will listen and be respectful to someone that disagrees. They embrace the younger generations and are way more in touch with the challenges they face and understanding of the issues that concern them. Their house is the one where all their kids friends like to hang out at and consider them their Mom and Dad as well. I mean, my brother and sister are in their 40's and still their friends are "family" to my Dad and stepmom. They save for money for my kids for college with no strings. They have never said a word to try to influence where he goes or what he studies. Not one word. Just nothing but support and encouragement. Meanwhile, when I bring up college plans to my Mom, she just ignores or tries to change the subject. If pushed it usually ends up in a lecture about kids "wasting money going away to college, and OMG, maybe even an out of state one?! How ridiculous is that? It's that older generation mindset that is maddening to the Millenials because it isn't the same world as it was when the Boomers graduated high school. But what you are describing really isn't a Boomer mindset. It is your parents' mindset. I am a boomer, and I'm a second generation college graduate. There wasn't always enough to eat when I was growing up, but there was a college trust fund. The aunt who was a lawyer persuaded my mother to put the money in when she collected the insurance when he died. Smart because like most, the rest quickly disappeared. Education was valued in my family, but I would never say that is a trait of any particular generation. It is just a family value. I valued it for my kids, and my kids value it for their kids. And it isn't because we were rich. My grandparents were farmers who didn't graduate from high school. Yet all four of their kids went to college--my uncle (business), my father (engineer), one aunt (teacher), and another aunt (nursing and then later law). My ex's father never went to college; his wife did when her own kids were in high school. Both of their kids went to college and majored in math with a business minor. Don't assume that not caring about college is a Boomer value. It is a personal value. I never said that. All four of my parents are 70-72 years old. They're ALL Boomers. But one set is very much set in the "you should do things how I did and it worked for us, so it should work for you" attitude.
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Post by teen persuasion on Nov 12, 2019 22:57:26 GMT -5
When math was being cut from the K12 curriculum over 20 years ago, those of us who make our livings from math suspected that it would end badly.
And now the Seattle schools are 're-framing' math because it is 'racist', hurtful, yada. So yeah - no surprise that young folks can't grasp compound interest, amortization, car payments, etc. In my family, there are multiple college math professors - first cousins, aunts - they are concerned about what the K12 schools are sending to the community colleges, they have to start the kids over at the ninth grade Algebra level.
That must have been well over twenty years ago. More than 30 years ago I was doing the testing of incoming college freshman, for placement in remedial classes vs regular. We had three math tests we administered: arithmetic, algebra, and/or functions & graphs. We based which test each student took on their intended major, and which HS math courses they had successfully completed. The majority had only taken 2 HS math courses, especially if they had come from out of state (no NY Regents Diploma requirement for minimum 3 HS Regents math courses). If their major required Calc, they needed to pass F&G, or they got put in pre-calc, setting them behind in their course schedule. Today, there's no local diploma option any more (the way weaker students graduated with only 2 simple math courses), everyone is supposed to achieve at least a Regents Diploma, but are encouraged to achieve Advanced Regents Diploma (with more math and science and higher minimum grades, 85% IIRC). The traditional HS math and science and language courses are getting pushed down to middle school, so kids can squeeze in even more than 4 courses.
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