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Post by ednkris on Nov 11, 2019 15:27:47 GMT -5
And the company I worked for previously manufactured a product that was not easily bought from china because if it failed, it could cause death. A lot of our customers would not accept cheap product from China (or other Asian countries). On the flip side, if it wasn't so cheap to manufacture in China, your company might source that high volume items from other US companies. As it is now, you can't make that same product in the US for the same price you can import it. That is why our manufacturing jobs have gone away. It isn't like we no longer buy manufactured items, we just won't pay the price it costs to cover those "good union jobs". We like our cheap shit from China. I think you misunderstood. We don't buy from Chinese companies. We have plants in all these countries and build there. We can't GET the people we need here even paying them well. Lack of bodies has always been our biggest issue and in the 25 years I've been here I only remember a few stretches where there wasn't a mandatory weekend OT rotation for the production floor.
Among other things, we build high end medical devices regulated by the FDA.
Same here we have divisional manufacturing all over but here the labor pool is horrendous. We are in the auto industry.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 11, 2019 15:40:29 GMT -5
I think the primary difference is that "when I was your age" harkens back to the past, and isn't grounded in TODAY's reality. The "ok boomer" thing is more about "you aren't living in today's world, you're stuck in the past, catch up". Personally, I think there's a lot more ignorance in wanting to live in the past than there is in expecting people to catch up to how things are today (which is to say, I think "ok boomer" is a lot less ignorant than "when I was your age"...it's just not very respectful and not likely to lead to positive discussion...but I do think the sentiment behind it is a lot less ignorant given that it's typically used for looking forward rather than backward). And that statement assumes that "today's world" is one dimensional, OIW that it is the same for all who live now. That is by not true by any stretch of the imaginaion. Not even if you limit it to a specific geographic area. IMO it is more a denial of the fact that different generations have different needs and expectations. BTW, the ok boomer trope belongs to Gen Z and I suspect that the vast majority on this board is too old to use it without appropriating the words of the next generation I'm not arguing the statement (or really the purpose behind the statement) is either accurate or respectful, I'm arguing that on the grand sliding scale of "ignorance" it's pretty much always going to be less ignorant to understand you're living in today's world and expecting someone to join you in that real world (even if they're wrong) than the ignorance of intentionally setting as the current standard a world which does not currently exist and which you know does not currently exist. Essentially that between "today's world" and "different generational needs and expectations" the use of "ok boomer" may violate the latter, but "back in my day" violates both. I don't want to seem as if I'm arguing "ok boomer" is good, but I am arguing that in terms of reality and ignorance it's "less bad" than "back in my day" in that it at least understands the current times as being meaningful rather than looking to the past (where I think both do lack the fundamental understanding you point out that different generations have different needs and expectations).
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Post by Tiny on Nov 11, 2019 16:38:24 GMT -5
I'm not so sure being terrible at math is the problem. I'm terrible at math. And I've managed to not get taken advantage of financially (for the most part - everyone makes mistakes). I do have a healthy skepticism that other people have my best interests at heart (so, yeah, the car salesman isn't doing me any favors no matter what he says or does). I think most people have that skepticism to some degree.
My not relying on other people looking out for my best interest is generally what keeps me from making really bad (or repeating the same) mistakes. That and my fairly firm belief that I can make my future brighter (reach my goals) thru my own actions - even if it takes awhile and is often hard. That's what helps keep me from making really bad/repeated financial mistakes. It's not my ability to do math (cause I don't do math).
I suspect the people making the bad financial decisions about cars (and other stuff) know it's a bad decision on some level... I strongly suspect they don't see any other way out than to take the deal. OR they just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel - making the bad decision doesn't really make things worse while making a good decision doesn't make things better.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 11, 2019 16:43:15 GMT -5
I'm not so sure being terrible at math is the problem. I'm terrible at math. And I've managed to not get taken advantage of financially (for the most part - everyone makes mistakes). I do have a healthy skepticism that other people have my best interests at heart (so, yeah, the car salesman isn't doing me any favors no matter what he says or does). I think most people have that skepticism to some degree. My not relying on other people looking out for my best interest is generally what keeps me from making really bad (or repeating the same) mistakes. That and my fairly firm belief that I can make my future brighter (reach my goals) thru my own actions - even if it takes awhile and is often hard. That's what helps keep me from making really bad/repeated financial mistakes. It's not my ability to do math (cause I don't do math). I suspect the people making the bad financial decisions about cars (and other stuff) know it's a bad decision on some level... I strongly suspect they don't see any other way out than to take the deal. OR they just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel - making the bad decision doesn't really make things worse while making a good decision doesn't make things better. Totally agree. Making good financial decisions /= being good at math. Being good at math could tell you that the APY on your loan is 8%, it won't tell you whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. Bad decisions seems to be more about being uneducated (I think in a lot of instances it's assuming the masses can't all be wrong and doing what they do).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2019 16:44:39 GMT -5
I came very close to failing every math class I took. Turns out I am dyslexic. I'm hardly stupid thank you very much.
I know A LOT of people cannot handle confrontation. Rather than tell the sales man to bite them they will go thru with the deal rather than risk being seen as impolite or a trouble maker.
Me? I've pissed off A LOT of sales people because I don't care. I used to be a server and we were encouraged to pull those kinds of sales tactics all the time, I recognize when someone is doing the same to me.
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Post by phil5185 on Nov 11, 2019 17:09:38 GMT -5
""I think the primary difference is that "when I was your age" harkens back to the past, and isn't grounded in TODAY's reality.""" OTOH, maybe today's youngsters can't handle anything that is outside of TODAY's reality? "During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People" produced the following: 22 aircraft carriers 8 battleships 48 cruisers 349 destroyers 420 destroyer escorts 203 submarines 34 million tons of merchant ships 100,000 fighter aircraft 98,000 bombers 24,000 transport aircraft 58,000 training aircraft 93,000 tanks 257,000 artillery pieces 105,000 mortars 3,000,000 machine guns and 2,500,000 military trucks We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany. It’s amazing what America did in those days"
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Post by saveinla on Nov 11, 2019 17:14:07 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 11, 2019 17:22:31 GMT -5
""I think the primary difference is that "when I was your age" harkens back to the past, and isn't grounded in TODAY's reality.""" OTOH, maybe today's youngsters can't handle anything that is outside of TODAY's reality? "During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People" produced the following: 22 aircraft carriers 8 battleships 48 cruisers 349 destroyers 420 destroyer escorts 203 submarines 34 million tons of merchant ships 100,000 fighter aircraft 98,000 bombers 24,000 transport aircraft 58,000 training aircraft 93,000 tanks 257,000 artillery pieces 105,000 mortars 3,000,000 machine guns and 2,500,000 military trucks We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany. It’s amazing what America did in those days"
Who is "we"? Churchill (who I'm reasonably certain wasn't American) planned D-Day with Roosevelt, and it was executed by the British, Canadian and American militaries. As usual, Americans want to take ALL the credit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:35:18 GMT -5
It’s amazing what America did in those days"
It's amazing what America is doing in THESE days too. It's just "different". My company does a lot of military stuff and the high tech things they have out there now are insane. You don't need nearly the arsenal when what you have is so precise. We make guidant systems for aircraft and drones. You can have two guys (or gals) sitting in complete safety taking out targets thousands of miles away. We make packs that ground crews carry that block all radio signals from enemies. No more worrying about remote detonated bombs. We crank out medical devices every day that weren't available in your time, that are either directly saving people's lives or making life with conditions way more tolerable.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 11, 2019 19:57:50 GMT -5
I grew human brain cells inside a mouse developing a new model to study Parkinson's and other brain diseases. I assisted on a project that resulted in mice being cured (yes cured) of HIV that will hopefully move into human trials.
Yeah I and all the people my age and younger that worked on those projects sure are dumb ass snowflakes who spend all our time whining about how hard math is. How's the air up there on that pedestal of yours?
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Post by swamp on Nov 11, 2019 20:07:15 GMT -5
""I think the primary difference is that "when I was your age" harkens back to the past, and isn't grounded in TODAY's reality.""" OTOH, maybe today's youngsters can't handle anything that is outside of TODAY's reality? "During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People" produced the following: 22 aircraft carriers 8 battleships 48 cruisers 349 destroyers 420 destroyer escorts 203 submarines 34 million tons of merchant ships 100,000 fighter aircraft 98,000 bombers 24,000 transport aircraft 58,000 training aircraft 93,000 tanks 257,000 artillery pieces 105,000 mortars 3,000,000 machine guns and 2,500,000 military trucks We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany. It’s amazing what America did in those days"
And? War has changed. We don’t need to produce all that anymore.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 11, 2019 20:07:55 GMT -5
""I think the primary difference is that "when I was your age" harkens back to the past, and isn't grounded in TODAY's reality.""" OTOH, maybe today's youngsters can't handle anything that is outside of TODAY's reality? "During the 3-1/2 years of World War II that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, "We the People" produced the following: 22 aircraft carriers 8 battleships 48 cruisers 349 destroyers 420 destroyer escorts 203 submarines 34 million tons of merchant ships 100,000 fighter aircraft 98,000 bombers 24,000 transport aircraft 58,000 training aircraft 93,000 tanks 257,000 artillery pieces 105,000 mortars 3,000,000 machine guns and 2,500,000 military trucks We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and, ultimately, conquered Japan and Germany. It’s amazing what America did in those days"
Who is "we"? Churchill (who I'm reasonably certain wasn't American) planned D-Day with Roosevelt, and it was executed by the British, Canadian and American militaries. As usual, Americans want to take ALL the credit.F I really don't care about credit. There were a lot of very brave people fighting in this horrible war and many of those brave men and women were American. There is something else that is incorrect and gets me doubting that wonderful education Phil likes to boast about: WWII started on September 1st, 1939, NOT with the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Post by phil5185 on Nov 11, 2019 21:29:01 GMT -5
""My company does a lot of military stuff and the high tech things they have out there now are insane. You don't need nearly the arsenal when what you have is so precise. We make guidant systems for aircraft and drones. You can have two guys (or gals) sitting in complete safety taking out targets thousands of miles away.
And? War has changed. We don’t need to produce all that anymore. """ Good points - one of the last jobs that I worked on before retiring (20 yrs ago) was the Javelin missile. It was able to take out tanks from over 2 miles away. It could 'acquire' the tank, track it (infrared), pick a high trajectory, and make a 'roof' hit on the tank (where the armor is thinner). It also used 2 warheads - one to pop a hole in the armor and a second warhead to fly thru the hole and destroy the tank from inside. Ie, it is a small light 'man-carry' missile, low cost, low explosive. Safe for the crew. And, as you say, the new stuff is precise - one little explosive flown thru a window does more damage than the old-style 500 pound iron bombs that we dropped by the dozens. Our bunker-busters can fly thru multiple walls, count them, and detonate when it gets to the right room. And the drones - all sizes and capabilities - they can be sent into many places where a soldier would be in great danger.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 11, 2019 21:31:00 GMT -5
Who is "we"? Churchill (who I'm reasonably certain wasn't American) planned D-Day with Roosevelt, and it was executed by the British, Canadian and American militaries. As usual, Americans want to take ALL the credit.F I really don't care about credit. There were a lot of very brave people fighting in this horrible war and many of those brave men and women were American. There is something else that is incorrect and gets me doubting that wonderful education Phil likes to boast about: WWII started on September 1st, 1939, NOT with the attack on Pearl Harbor.This is true. The USA was selling equipment to the Nazis at a hefty profit, but only got involved after Pearl Harbour, when they themselves got attacked.
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Post by schildi on Nov 11, 2019 22:24:07 GMT -5
WWII started on September 1st, 1939, NOT with the attack on Pearl Harbor. I was also going to point that out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:54:40 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents.
If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!)
It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 23:03:04 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents. If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!) It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer." Usually when I see it being used it's in response to something equally derogatory, like "Kids these days are a bunch of lazy ass whiners."
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Post by tallguy on Nov 11, 2019 23:05:26 GMT -5
When math was being cut from the K12 curriculum over 20 years ago, those of us who make our livings from math suspected that it would end badly.
And now the Seattle schools are 're-framing' math because it is 'racist', hurtful, yada. So yeah - no surprise that young folks can't grasp compound interest, amortization, car payments, etc. In my family, there are multiple college math professors - first cousins, aunts - they are concerned about what the K12 schools are sending to the community colleges, they have to start the kids over at the ninth grade Algebra level.
Please demonstrate where this is: 1. Being dictated by the Seattle Public Schools rather than being a group of proposals submitted for study and evaluation by other districts around the state. 2. Anything other (even if approved) than an elective class for districts wishing to offer an Ethnic Studies curriculum. 3. Required anywhere under any conditions. 4. Having any effect on Seattle Public Schools graduation standards or requirements.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 11, 2019 23:07:04 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents. If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!) It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer." Usually when I see it being used it's in response to something equally derogatory, like "Kids these days are a bunch of lazy ass whiners." Or, all the latest generations are dumb, uneducated morons.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Nov 12, 2019 1:44:51 GMT -5
When math was being cut from the K12 curriculum over 20 years ago, those of us who make our livings from math suspected that it would end badly.
And now the Seattle schools are 're-framing' math because it is 'racist', hurtful, yada. So yeah - no surprise that young folks can't grasp compound interest, amortization, car payments, etc. In my family, there are multiple college math professors - first cousins, aunts - they are concerned about what the K12 schools are sending to the community colleges, they have to start the kids over at the ninth grade Algebra level.
Okay, I'm an idiot, I guess, but I don't understand how math could be construed as "racist" or hurtful. I mean, math is math. Just wondering.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 12, 2019 8:14:36 GMT -5
"Back in my day" is as old as your grandparents or great-grandparents. If I had said, "Ok boomer" or its equivalent (it is telling that there is no equivalent), I would have been slapped upside the head or something like that (my grandparents didn't slap but they would have been angry!) It is rude and disrespectful in a way that "back in my day" could never be. If you don't get that, I cannot explain. Say,Grammy, times have changed. " Don't say, "Ok boomer." Usually when I see it being used it's in response to something equally derogatory, like "Kids these days are a bunch of lazy ass whiners." I'm not. Perhaps that is how it started but this week I've seen it all over, mainly when reading comments to articles online. Much like men can say a word about anything iwthout being accused of "mansplaining" it seems "ok boomer" is the new way to try to shut down opinions that the millennials don't like (I'm assuming the comments are coming from millennials, otherwise it is even more idiotic to say).
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Post by giramomma on Nov 12, 2019 8:25:18 GMT -5
When math was being cut from the K12 curriculum over 20 years ago, those of us who make our livings from math suspected that it would end badly.
And now the Seattle schools are 're-framing' math because it is 'racist', hurtful, yada. So yeah - no surprise that young folks can't grasp compound interest, amortization, car payments, etc. In my family, there are multiple college math professors - first cousins, aunts - they are concerned about what the K12 schools are sending to the community colleges, they have to start the kids over at the ninth grade Algebra level.
Okay, I'm an idiot, I guess, but I don't understand how math could be construed as "racist" or hurtful. I mean, math is math. Just wondering. Much of our educational is based on the white middle class lens. That includes instructional materials. While I know older folks think that everyone should conform to white, middle class norms, there's a movement at all levels of education to acknowledge that there might be other cultural backgrounds that we might want to think about when we try to educate others. I'll give you an example. It's very simplistic example, because I have three kids to get off to school....Jerry is in a college level marcoeconomics class in my state.. Jerry has a homework problem that involves the supply and demand of cheese heads. In Jerry's background (either because he's from another country or another part of the US), he has no idea what a "cheese head " is. So, in order to completely decode the homework problem, Jerry has to first figure out what a cheese head is, and if there's any part of that information that might influence the supply and demand homework. Now, if the professor and picked pencil instead of cheesehead, maybe Jerry would only need to focus on the macroeconomics...because a pencil is more universal than a cheese head.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 12, 2019 8:36:40 GMT -5
I would have done world's better in math if I had been allowed to approach it the way they do now that the goal is to solve the problem not have to do it a single specified way.
I'm glad it works for a decent chunk of people but it doesn't mean I am less intelligent because it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 8:40:47 GMT -5
Usually when I see it being used it's in response to something equally derogatory, like "Kids these days are a bunch of lazy ass whiners." I'm not. Perhaps that is how it started but this week I've seen it all over, mainly when reading comments to articles online. Much like men can say a word about anything iwthout being accused of "mansplaining" it seems "ok boomer" is the new way to try to shut down opinions that the millennials don't like (I'm assuming the comments are coming from millennials, otherwise it is even more idiotic to say). Boomers have been treating "Millenial" like a swear word for a long time. It's really not a surprise at all that they would lash back.
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Post by phil5185 on Nov 12, 2019 9:06:50 GMT -5
Please demonstrate where this is: 1. Being dictated by the Seattle Public Schools rather than being a group of proposals submitted for study and evaluation by other districts around the state. 2. Anything other (even if approved) than an elective class for districts wishing to offer an Ethnic Studies curriculum. 3. Required anywhere under any conditions.
4. Having any effect on Seattle Public Schools graduation standards or requirements.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 12, 2019 9:10:56 GMT -5
Please demonstrate where this is: 1. Being dictated by the Seattle Public Schools rather than being a group of proposals submitted for study and evaluation by other districts around the state. 2. Anything other (even if approved) than an elective class for districts wishing to offer an Ethnic Studies curriculum. 3. Required anywhere under any conditions.
4. Having any effect on Seattle Public Schools graduation standards or requirements. You have an actual source? That isn’t a conservative propaganda think tank? A “draft of new learning objectives” is not dictation.... www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/new-course-outlines-prompt-conversations-about-identity-race-in-seattle-classrooms-even-in-math/Seattle Public Schools released a draft of new learning objectives that integrate ethnic studies into math, and after conservative news outlets began berating the district. It’s not that the formulas and equations taught in current math classes are racist, Castro-Gill said — it’s about how they’re used in daily life. “Nowhere in this document says that math is inherently racist,” she said. “It’s how math is used as a tool for oppression.” One example teachers might mention in an ethnic studies math class, she said, is how black voters in the South were given literacy and numeracy tests before they could cast their ballot. Another might be a lesson on ratios that discusses gaps in incarceration rates and how the weight of a type of drug determines the length of a sentence. “The numbers are objective,” she said, “but how we use it is not objective.” Classes might also talk about how different cultures have practiced math, such as how Aztecs used a base-20 number system, as opposed to the base-10 system Americans use.
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Post by gs11rmb on Nov 12, 2019 9:20:47 GMT -5
I really don't care about credit. There were a lot of very brave people fighting in this horrible war and many of those brave men and women were American. There is something else that is incorrect and gets me doubting that wonderful education Phil likes to boast about: WWII started on September 1st, 1939, NOT with the attack on Pearl Harbor.This is true. The USA was selling equipment to the Nazis at a hefty profit, but only got involved after Pearl Harbour, when they themselves got attacked. I don't think you're being deliberately disingenuous but your post is giving off the 'wrong impression'. It is true that the US and the UK did make a hefty profit from Nazi Germany, which helped to re-arm the country and position it for war but that was not the intent of the sales. By 1940 the UK was the only country in Europe still able to fight, and that's because it's an island. The RAF withstood the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, and the Royal Navy still had superiority on the seas but Churchill recognized that if the Nazi's launched an all-out invasion the sheer weight of numbers would lead to defeat. Roosevelt's support of Lend-Lease kept the UK fighting and without that assistance, and Hitler's decision to invade the Soviet Union, it's doubtful the Allies would have won. I think it's simply a quirk of language that people use "we" when referring to the efforts of their own country. It's not meant to minimize the contributions of other countries. I've stood on Omaha beach and am amazed that any soldier was able to make it off those sands alive. I'm grateful for the assistance provided by the US because I recognize there's a good chance I wouldn't be here if Hitler had successfully invaded the UK. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the other Allied countries.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2019 9:21:06 GMT -5
Usually when I see it being used it's in response to something equally derogatory, like "Kids these days are a bunch of lazy ass whiners." I'm not. Perhaps that is how it started but this week I've seen it all over, mainly when reading comments to articles online. Much like men can say a word about anything iwthout being accused of "mansplaining" it seems "ok boomer" is the new way to try to shut down opinions that the millennials don't like (I'm assuming the comments are coming from millennials, otherwise it is even more idiotic to say). It's all about the tone. I know when I'm being talked down to by someone who doesn't have a clue, versus a guy with years of experience in my field. I welcome the instruction by someone who knows what they're doing. The attorney who has never tried a case in his life explaining how to handle a complicated evidentiary issue, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 9:28:55 GMT -5
My ex says "Ok Boomer" and he was born in 1963.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 12, 2019 10:03:59 GMT -5
Please demonstrate where this is: 1. Being dictated by the Seattle Public Schools rather than being a group of proposals submitted for study and evaluation by other districts around the state. 2. Anything other (even if approved) than an elective class for districts wishing to offer an Ethnic Studies curriculum. 3. Required anywhere under any conditions.
4. Having any effect on Seattle Public Schools graduation standards or requirements. An opinion piece, all of which answered (and you'll love this since it conforms to traditional math where there is really only one right answer) exactly NONE of the questions I asked. Wonderful.
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