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Post by kadee79 on Nov 5, 2019 22:30:43 GMT -5
Uuummm your thread title doesn't match your link.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 5, 2019 22:32:35 GMT -5
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 5, 2019 22:34:08 GMT -5
The bad guy or the pregnant woman?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 5, 2019 22:35:01 GMT -5
Uuummm your thread title doesn't match your link. hmmm, it doesn't.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 5, 2019 22:36:42 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 5, 2019 22:41:26 GMT -5
Don't need a wall, this happened with 100 miles of the U.S. border. Automatic weapons involved according to reports..
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 5, 2019 22:51:26 GMT -5
They were living in Mexico. I'm not sure what a wall has to do with this tragedy.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 9:26:25 GMT -5
They were living in Mexico. I'm not sure what a wall has to do with this tragedy. There is nothing keeping them out of here, wall or not!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 9:27:51 GMT -5
Wonder how many of these guns were from Fast and Furious, that Obama put a lid on(Coverup)
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 6, 2019 9:31:05 GMT -5
Don't need a wall, this happened with 100 miles of the U.S. border. Automatic weapons involved according to reports..
Perhaps the manufacturering of automatic weapons should be suspended then to proactively prevent this from happening again.
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Post by justme on Nov 6, 2019 9:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 9:52:16 GMT -5
Don't need a wall, this happened with 100 miles of the U.S. border. Automatic weapons involved according to reports..
Perhaps the manufacturering of automatic weapons should be suspended then to proactively prevent this from happening again. Perhaps Fast and Furious should not have happened, Now We can probably raise the toll of dead from this fiasco, that happened right under Obama's watch! This should be reopened, where Obama, using an Executive Order to stopped the investigation,, Eric Holder was found to be in Contempt of Congress!! Obama stopped this before it reached his office,, in which he was most likely involved,, otherwise why would he have stopped it?? Every ATF person, Eric Holder and maybe even Obama should be in prison over this!! So at last count,, and I am sure it is much higher, 350 Mexicans, 2 Americans, possibly 9 more, women and little kids,
at least one European since at least one of the gun had made over to Europe!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -5
How many here are for possibly rescinding Obama's Executive Order and re-opening that Investigation? Lots of people have died over this operation,,
How many have died over Trump's phone call to Ukraine??
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 6, 2019 10:02:33 GMT -5
Perhaps the manufacturering of automatic weapons should be suspended then to proactively prevent this from happening again. Perhaps Fast and Furious should not have happened, Now We can probably raise the toll of dead from this fiasco, that happened right under Obama's watch! This should be reopened, where Obama, using an Executive Order to stopped the investigation,, Eric Holder was found to be in Contempt of Congress!! Obama stopped this before it reached his office,, in which he was most likely involved,, otherwise why would he have stopped it?? Every ATF person, Eric Holder and maybe even Obama should be in prison over this!! So at last count,, and I am sure it is much higher, 350 Mexicans, 2 Americans, possibly 9 more, women and little kids,
at least one European since at least one of the gun had made over to Europe! Looks like justme summed it up better than I did. Go read that post.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 10:02:54 GMT -5
How many here are for possibly rescinding Obama's Executive Order and re-opening that Investigation? Lots of people have died over this operation,,
How many have died over Trump's phone call to Ukraine??
How many lives would be saved by reopening the investigation?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 6, 2019 10:04:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry they were killed but perhaps these U.S. citizens should have lived in the U.S.. They chose to live in Mexico to practice their fundamentalist version of Mormonism. More than likely this group practiced polygamy which is illegal in the LDS church and in the U.S. that would pretty much be the only reason to live outside the U.S. And according to this article snippet below, some in their community did practice polygamy. "Generally, the community practices a fundamentalist version of Mormonism, and one of the victim's family members told CNN that some practice polygamy. Polygamy is illegal in both the United States and in Mexico." What we know about the attack on a group of Mormon families in Mexico
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:17:40 GMT -5
How many here are for possibly rescinding Obama's Executive Order and re-opening that Investigation? Lots of people have died over this operation,,
How many have died over Trump's phone call to Ukraine??
How many lives would be saved by reopening the investigation? Maybe none, but possibly those responsible could be punished for their deeds.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:21:02 GMT -5
I would have no problem with the Heads of ATF that was involved with Fast and Furious and Eric Holder sitting in prison for murder!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:24:40 GMT -5
Seems to me if We stop buying drugs from the Cartel, there would be no buyers for those guns in Mexico. I am open to drug confiscation!
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 10:30:12 GMT -5
I would have no problem with the Heads of ATF that was involved with Fast and Furious and Eric Holder sitting in prison for murder! And those involved in Operation Wide Receiver? link
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -5
I would have no problem with the Heads of ATF that was involved with Fast and Furious and Eric Holder sitting in prison for murder! And those involved in Operation Wide Receiver? linkI have no problem with an entire investigation, of all of these stupid actions! Bills, you should know by now that my expectation of law enforcement to be held responsible for their actions is not limited by politics! If it was do you think I would have constantly complained about Sheriff Joe?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 6, 2019 10:52:21 GMT -5
Some family background history. US victims in Mexico massacre were tied to family with long history of violence
The roadside killings of nine U.S. citizens in northern Mexico has brought renewed attention to the scattered communities of Mormons who settled in the country more than a century ago to escape persecution. Some of the victims shared the last name LeBaron. They were related to a prominent fundamentalist Mormon family by the same name, said Daniel LeBaron, a cousin of one of the victims, Rhonita Maria Miller. Daniel LeBaron lives in Colonia LeBaron in Chihuahua state, a community established by fundamentalist Mormons in 1944 that has close ties to the LeBarons of Bavispe. The LeBarons are among “a handful of major groups of fundamentalists,” said Patrick Mason, a historian of Mormonism at Utah State University. But, he added: “The LeBaron name in recent decades has been most often linked to violence. Unfortunately, this incident only adds to that association.” The family is perhaps best known for a series of killings perpetrated in the 1970s and 1980s, in both Mexico and the United States, by Ervil LeBaron — once called the “Mormon Manson” — and a group of his followers. In 1972, two followers of Ervil LeBaron allegedly shot his brother, Joel, to death after the brothers had argued over leadership of their religious faction. Ervil was convicted of the crime, but the conviction was later overturned. He later was tried and convicted in the 1977 murder of rival polygamist leader, Dr. Rulon Allred. In 1993, his story was turned into a TV drama, “Prophet of Evil: The Ervil LeBaron Story.” Comple article here: US victims in Mexico massacre were tied to family with long history of violence
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Post by tallguy on Nov 6, 2019 10:52:23 GMT -5
I would have no problem with the Heads of ATF that was involved with Fast and Furious and Eric Holder sitting in prison for murder! And those involved in Operation Wide Receiver? linkThat's the one where the Obama administration came in and started arresting and imprisoning people after the Arizona officials and Bush administration completely dropped the ball, arresting nobody. Isn't it?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 10:54:57 GMT -5
And those involved in Operation Wide Receiver? linkThat's the one where the Obama administration came in and started arresting and imprisoning people after the Arizona officials and Bush administration completely dropped the ball, arresting nobody. Isn't it? I did read something suggesting that happened.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:58:38 GMT -5
And those involved in Operation Wide Receiver? linkThat's the one where the Obama administration came in and started arresting and imprisoning people after the Arizona officials and Bush administration completely dropped the ball, arresting nobody. Isn't it? Where? Link please.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 11:01:13 GMT -5
You wouldn't mean after the Fast and Furious exploded, into the Media, that to cover their ass went out did a bunch of wholesale arrest??
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Post by tallguy on Nov 6, 2019 11:01:58 GMT -5
That's the one where the Obama administration came in and started arresting and imprisoning people after the Arizona officials and Bush administration completely dropped the ball, arresting nobody. Isn't it? Where? Link please. You've got the name, do a search. Or maybe check the link that was already given. That might work too.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 11:09:12 GMT -5
I know the owner of Lone Wolf, where he repeatedly told the ATF that there was a big problem, only to be told repeatedly send the transaction thru.. He testified before Congress!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 21:48:50 GMT -5
Some family background history. US victims in Mexico massacre were tied to family with long history of violence
The roadside killings of nine U.S. citizens in northern Mexico has brought renewed attention to the scattered communities of Mormons who settled in the country more than a century ago to escape persecution. Some of the victims shared the last name LeBaron. They were related to a prominent fundamentalist Mormon family by the same name, said Daniel LeBaron, a cousin of one of the victims, Rhonita Maria Miller. Daniel LeBaron lives in Colonia LeBaron in Chihuahua state, a community established by fundamentalist Mormons in 1944 that has close ties to the LeBarons of Bavispe. The LeBarons are among “a handful of major groups of fundamentalists,” said Patrick Mason, a historian of Mormonism at Utah State University. But, he added: “The LeBaron name in recent decades has been most often linked to violence. Unfortunately, this incident only adds to that association.” The family is perhaps best known for a series of killings perpetrated in the 1970s and 1980s, in both Mexico and the United States, by Ervil LeBaron — once called the “Mormon Manson” — and a group of his followers. In 1972, two followers of Ervil LeBaron allegedly shot his brother, Joel, to death after the brothers had argued over leadership of their religious faction. Ervil was convicted of the crime, but the conviction was later overturned. He later was tried and convicted in the 1977 murder of rival polygamist leader, Dr. Rulon Allred. In 1993, his story was turned into a TV drama, “Prophet of Evil: The Ervil LeBaron Story.” Comple article here: US victims in Mexico massacre were tied to family with long history of violenceI am not sure what this had to do with the deaths of the 3 women, and six kids?
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