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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 10:13:29 GMT -5
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador refused that approach, however, saying at a Tuesday news conference, "The worst thing you can have is war."
"We declared war, and it didn't work," Lopez Obrador said, referring to the policies of previous administrations. "That is not an option." link
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 6, 2019 10:13:48 GMT -5
Does this have something to do with the $31M of cocaine that arrived by boat?
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Post by mollyc on Nov 6, 2019 10:25:36 GMT -5
Does this have something to do with the $31M of cocaine that arrived by boat? I assumed it had to do with the American women and children that were murdered in Mexico. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:51:19 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 10:56:50 GMT -5
Yep, your hatred of Trump, wanting him to be defeated at any cost, would mean, cheering on the Cartels
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 11:04:36 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! "we"? I only read you going there. |
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 6, 2019 11:36:50 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! And trump could all Louisana-purchase-style the US over to Russia, pocket the money, and you would cheer that on. |
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Post by bean29 on Nov 6, 2019 11:38:53 GMT -5
Mexico does not trust US Military occupying their territory because of Past History.
classroom.synonym.com/area-did-acquire-during-mexican-war-19822.html
Though the Mexican War was ostensibly fought over a tiny piece of Texan territory, the idea of "Manifest Destiny" motivated the country to want more territory. The grand prize was the west coast of North America, a part of Mexico known as California. Securing the region would fulfill the goal of a country that spanned from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Initially, the United States wanted both Baja and Alta California. The Mexicans, however, only consented to the transfer of Alta California, which included everything from the Port of San Diego northward towards and beyond San Francisco. Though sparsely populated at the war's end, in 1848 the discovery of gold in California brought the territory's population from 14,000 to more than 250,000 in just four years.
The Mexican War, instigated over a border dispute between the U.S. and Mexico, culminated with huge territorial gains for the United States. Known as the Mexican Cession, the area included more than 500,000 square miles and all or parts of modern-day California, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico. The U.S. purchased this land for $15 million, and settlers populated the area within a few decades.
Land Between California and Texas
Americans were not satisfied with an isolated California discontinuous from the rest of the United States. As part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the United States also acquired all the Mexican territory between California and Texas. This included occupied regions such as New Mexico and Arizona. In addition, all or parts of Nevada, Utah, Wyoming and Colorado were transferred to the United States. The precise border between the U.S. and Mexico in this region was not immediately determined in the treaty. Instead, a group of future surveyors were to survey and negotiate until an agreement on the exact border was reached.
The Mexican War, instigated over a border dispute between the U.S. and Mexico, culminated with huge territorial gains for the United States. Known as the Mexican Cession, the area included more than 500,000 square miles and all or parts of modern-day California, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico. The U.S. purchased this land for $15 million, and settlers populated the area within a few decades.
Impact on U.S. and Mexico
For the United States, the Mexican Cession represented 55 percent of its prewar territory. This, however, was a smaller gain than some, including President James Polk, desired. Many Northern abolitionists opposed the annexation of Mexican territory, and the president and his supporters compromised their hopes in the interests of political unity. For Mexico, the loss of the Cession was devastating, as it represented a loss of nearly one-half of the nation's prewar territory. Valuable resources in the agricultural- and gold-rich California region helped propel the United States' economic development.
I was only aware of this because my DH has talked about it in the past - so while it might seem like a benevolent offer on our part, it would be seen with distrust by the people of Mexico, and why should they trust Trump, he describes Mexicans in unfavorable terms all the time and likes to put Hispanics in cages in subhuman conditions.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 6, 2019 11:42:29 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! Explain to me why any American of any type would cheer on the drug cartels - except maybe drug dealers and users.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 6, 2019 11:57:39 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! let me see if I have this right.
if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and we objected to that idea, we would be in favor of rapists?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 12:16:17 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! let me see if I have this right.
if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and we objected to that idea, we would be in favor of rapists?
I don't think you got it right in regards to this particular situation. It would be more like: if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and one person posted a comment by a prosecutor who indicated that would not be a good idea, most of the people on the board would be in favor of rapists? |
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 12:20:55 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! let me see if I have this right.
if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and we objected to that idea, we would be in favor of rapists?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 6, 2019 12:23:10 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! Explain to me why any American of any type would cheer on the drug cartels - except maybe drug dealers and users.
Because if Trump put it out there, anything Trump does , you hate it and are against it! |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 6, 2019 12:33:50 GMT -5
let me see if I have this right.
if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and we objected to that idea, we would be in favor of rapists?
YES!! That's the dumbest crap I've ever heard. You're just trolling now. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 6, 2019 12:48:26 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! Mexico refused his help. Nobody trusts the USA anymore. Winning! |
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 6, 2019 13:27:57 GMT -5
Explain to me why any American of any type would cheer on the drug cartels - except maybe drug dealers and users.
Because if Trump put it out there, anything Trump does , you hate it and are against it! You claim that all the time. ALL the time. I could say that, no matter what the subject, who posted it, or what anyone says about it, you immediately scream that everyone on the board will hate it, or agree with it, whichever is anti Trump.
It seems to me that you're the one with the extreme knee jerk reaction, not the left leaning posters here.
Why not let people respond, and then respond directly to what they actually say?
Personally, I think it would be a great idea to get rid of the cartels. Then maybe fewer people will feel the need to illegally escape to our country. If Trump has a legitimate way to help Mexico do that, why wouldn't I be for that?
I say legitimate because I haven't read the whole article. If he wants to start shooting all Mexicans who approach the border, I would have a problem with that, as would most other Christians.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 6, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -5
Ignore Oldcoyote. the roaring male elephant in estrus is just seeking attention. We will just have to wait until he is out of heat for a non-trolling response.
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Post by busymom on Nov 6, 2019 13:47:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the current occupant of the White House has made many promises, but I haven't seen much follow-thru.
Remember when he promised to bring back jobs in the coal industry? How about those American jobs in manufacturing? Personally, I've heard nothing but crickets on just those two issues since he was elected. And then, there's healthcare (or should I say, LACK of healthcare programs that he's submitted...).
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 6, 2019 13:51:29 GMT -5
Trump's offer of help will probably come with conditions.
"I'll help you fight the cartels, if you dig up some dirt on my political opponents."
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 6, 2019 13:52:37 GMT -5
Ignore Oldcoyote. the roaring male elephant in estrus is just seeking attention. We will just have to wait until he is out of heat for a non-trolling response. That is an insult to female elephants. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 6, 2019 14:11:00 GMT -5
Out of curiousity, what was his attitude towards drug cartels before this. I would hope he was always against them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 6, 2019 15:30:40 GMT -5
let me see if I have this right.
if Trump said "I promise to personally shoot all rapists", and we objected to that idea, we would be in favor of rapists?
YES!! ok, that is not only wildly illogical, but crazy.
thanks for letting me know.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 6, 2019 15:51:16 GMT -5
Well done Trump for offering to fight the Mex cartels I am not sure what was well done about this. If the White House issued a statement that President Trump had contacted the Mexican President and they had developed Strategy "X" which involved the US doing "Y" to deal with the cartels, I would consider that "well done". For him to tweet something that is quickly rejected publicly by the Mexican President is not doing something well to me. |
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Post by mroped on Nov 6, 2019 16:05:09 GMT -5
Well, here we go, Trump proposes to help Mexico to fight the Drug Cartels,, Most of this board will be cheering on the Cartels! Do you read on your PC or tablet some posting that we can see? Kinda bold to make that assumption! |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 6, 2019 16:33:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the current occupant of the White House has made many promises, but I haven't seen much follow-thru. Remember when he promised to bring back jobs in the coal industry? How about those American jobs in manufacturing? Personally, I've heard nothing but crickets on just those two issues since he was elected. And then, there's healthcare (or should I say, LACK of healthcare programs that he's submitted...). : "I have a great healthcare plan. A bigly plan. No one knows healthcare better than me. I will announce my plan after I win the 2020 elections. 'Vote trump 2020' if you want great healthcare." |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 6, 2019 17:00:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the current occupant of the White House has made many promises, but I haven't seen much follow-thru. Remember when he promised to bring back jobs in the coal industry? How about those American jobs in manufacturing? Personally, I've heard nothing but crickets on just those two issues since he was elected. And then, there's healthcare (or should I say, LACK of healthcare programs that he's submitted...). : "I have a great healthcare plan. A bigly plan. No one knows healthcare better than me. I will announce my plan after I win the 2020 elections. 'Vote trump 2020' if you want great healthcare."Is the Brooklyn Bridge still for sale? |
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