Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 12:52:38 GMT -5
Do YOU think the dem candidates should release their returns? I do. Party doesn't have anything to do with it. EVERYONE should. Just a question. When did a voluntary tradition become a "should" for you ? I don't remember you ever going off on this before.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 13:00:43 GMT -5
Billionaires as in people. Corporations are businesses. So which is it Ever hear of Citizens United? The SC ruled that corporations ARE people
|
|
ednkris
Well-Known Member
Joined: Feb 7, 2016 9:11:03 GMT -5
Posts: 1,176
|
Post by ednkris on Nov 26, 2019 13:01:17 GMT -5
I do. Party doesn't have anything to do with it. EVERYONE should. Just a question. When did a voluntary tradition become a "should" for you ? I don't remember you ever going off on this before. That's because its Trump....you know like school transcripts and birth certificates lol
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 13:03:45 GMT -5
At least that would be honest. This coming up with flimsy excuses for inexcusable behavior is pathetic. I guess my saying all along that I voted for him for the judge appointments, is acceptable now ? As in honest ? Wow that's kind of like a complete reversal from what I was being told when he first got in. As in "How can you vote for someone for what you expect him to do, when he acts like that" Yeah, it's kind of like me to remember those things. Didn’t say voting for a corrupt crooked sexual predator isn’t acceptable. Saying you voted for him to stack the courts is at least honest.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:27 GMT -5
I guess my saying all along that I voted for him for the judge appointments, is acceptable now ? As in honest ? Wow that's kind of like a complete reversal from what I was being told when he first got in. As in "How can you vote for someone for what you expect him to do, when he acts like that" Yeah, it's kind of like me to remember those things. Didn’t say voting for a corrupt crooked sexual predator isn’t acceptable. Saying you voted for him to stack the courts is at least honest. I would need a conviction record. Media echo chamber, controlled narrative, doesn't do it for me.
|
|
sesfw
Junior Associate
Today is the first day of the rest of my life
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 15:45:17 GMT -5
Posts: 6,268
|
Post by sesfw on Nov 26, 2019 13:15:31 GMT -5
I voted against Hillary .......... to keep her away from the Supreme Court
We can get rid of Trump after 4 years. Supreme Court nominee is at least a generation, and two of her POTENTIAL nominees were hubby Bill and Obama. No thanks
If the dems get someone decent as a nominee next year, then we'll see ........
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 26, 2019 13:30:23 GMT -5
Just a question. When did a voluntary tradition become a "should" for you ? I don't remember you ever going off on this before. That's because its Trump....you know like school transcripts and birth certificates lol Well Trump did have his fixer, Michael Cohen, threaten all of Trump’s academic records, even his SAT scores. This while pushing the narrative that Obama wouldn’t reveal his. Obama graduated Magna c-m Laude from Harvard Law. As far as the birther conspiracy...I guess there are still plenty of idiots and morons that buy into that. None can explain how the Honolulu newspaper published his birth announcement the next day. Maybe a Commie plot. In the meantime, his mom WAS an American citizen.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,388
|
Post by thyme4change on Nov 26, 2019 13:34:00 GMT -5
I wonder how much their 542,000 employees paid in income tax, versus collecting unemployment ? In an adding up the cost kind of way. Amazon's effective tax rate in 2014 was a little over 91 % CBS didn't have anything to say on that little tidbit back then. Didn't fit the class warfare narrative. Yet, they continued to expand business, instead of just packing it in and leaving the country, as so many right wing people insist will happen if we raise taxes on people who have over 50 BILLION dollars.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,309
Member is Online
|
Post by swamp on Nov 26, 2019 13:41:28 GMT -5
I do. Party doesn't have anything to do with it. EVERYONE should. Just a question. When did a voluntary tradition become a "should" for you ? I don't remember you ever going off on this before. I thought it was required until Trump.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,309
Member is Online
|
Post by swamp on Nov 26, 2019 13:43:02 GMT -5
Just a question. When did a voluntary tradition become a "should" for you ? I don't remember you ever going off on this before. That's because its Trump....you know like school transcripts and birth certificates lol Huh? I don't care about his school transcript. Good grades doesn't necessarily translate to being a successful adult. I didn't make a big deal about anybody's birth certificate, that was Trump's thing. Obama said he was born in Hawaii, I believe him. Trump says he was born in NYC, I believe him.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,309
Member is Online
|
Post by swamp on Nov 26, 2019 13:44:47 GMT -5
Didn’t say voting for a corrupt crooked sexual predator isn’t acceptable. Saying you voted for him to stack the courts is at least honest. I would need a conviction record. Media echo chamber, controlled narrative, doesn't do it for me. He has a track record of being sued for fraud, not paying for jobs, etc. I don't necessarily need an arrest record. As far as the sexual predator, you'd voluntarily let the creepy dude everyone knows is a pervert watch your kids just because he's never been convicted?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:45:43 GMT -5
I wonder how much their 542,000 employees paid in income tax, versus collecting unemployment ? In an adding up the cost kind of way. Amazon's effective tax rate in 2014 was a little over 91 % CBS didn't have anything to say on that little tidbit back then. Didn't fit the class warfare narrative. Yet, they continued to expand business, instead of just packing it in and leaving the country, as so many right wing people insist will happen if we raise taxes on people who have over 50 BILLION dollars. I was talking about the corporations, not individuals. Well, these companies wouldn't pack it in, so to speak. Being multi nationals, they just change their home base. That's what needs to be avoided. The big home offices employ the higher income white collar people, they pay a higher rate income tax. Better to the US than elsewhere. A lot of the profit is used just for that, expansions. It's the smart thing to do in business versus borrowing money to expand.
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 26, 2019 13:45:55 GMT -5
The 91.7% tax rate Amazon paid, on $.2billion in income, was a complete anomaly over the last ten years. Thus jma23 is guilty of the worst kind of cherry picking.
In the last 2 years Amazon has made almost $17 billion, and not only paid -0- in tax, they had a negative tax rate both years. Anyone that finds that acceptable is anti-democratic and cares not one whit about our exploding deficit.
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 26, 2019 13:49:39 GMT -5
Yet, they continued to expand business, instead of just packing it in and leaving the country, as so many right wing people insist will happen if we raise taxes on people who have over 50 BILLION dollars. I was talking about the corporations, not individuals. Well, these companies wouldn't pack it in, so to speak. Being multi nationals, they just change their home base. That's what needs to be avoided. The big home offices employ the higher income white collar people, they pay a higher rate income tax. Better to the US than elsewhere. A lot of the profit is used just for that, expansions. It's the smart thing to do in business versus borrowing money to expand. I believe expansions would be considered a capital expense and would thus be a depreciable item. As such it would shelter even more income from taxation and would be a line item above net income. Thus I find that assertion to be a fallacy.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:50:59 GMT -5
I would need a conviction record. Media echo chamber, controlled narrative, doesn't do it for me. He has a track record of being sued for fraud, not paying for jobs, etc. I don't necessarily need an arrest record. As far as the sexual predator, you'd voluntarily let the creepy dude everyone knows is a pervert watch your kids just because he's never been convicted? It's not that. (bolded) I thought all his legal problems came from trying to settle out of court with hush money. Whether for hiding it from his wife, or just the populace in general while campaigning. Wasn't it always with other adult women ?
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Nov 26, 2019 14:38:28 GMT -5
That's because its Trump....you know like school transcripts and birth certificates lol Huh? I don't care about his school transcript. Good grades doesn't necessarily translate to being a successful adult. I didn't make a big deal about anybody's birth certificate, that was Trump's thing. Obama said he was born in Hawaii, I believe him. Trump says he was born in NYC, I believe him. Trump also says his father was born in NYC, but he was born in Germany. I don't believe a word that comes out of that pathological liar's mouth.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Nov 26, 2019 14:49:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't think Trump was born at all. He was hatched....the unholy union between a jackal and a vulture. Perry said he sent by God. I think he was sent by that other guy.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 15:03:01 GMT -5
He has a track record of being sued for fraud, not paying for jobs, etc. I don't necessarily need an arrest record. As far as the sexual predator, you'd voluntarily let the creepy dude everyone knows is a pervert watch your kids just because he's never been convicted? It's not that. (bolded) I thought all his legal problems came from trying to settle out of court with hush money. Whether for hiding it from his wife, or just the populace in general while campaigning. Wasn't it always with other adult women ? [/ He made several inappropriate comments about his own daughter. He made inappropriate comments to a 10 year old He’s been credibly accused of raping a 13 year old, but go ahead and defend him
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Nov 26, 2019 15:30:19 GMT -5
It's not that. (bolded) I thought all his legal problems came from trying to settle out of court with hush money. Whether for hiding it from his wife, or just the populace in general while campaigning. Wasn't it always with other adult women ? [/ He made several inappropriate comments about his own daughter. He made inappropriate comments to a 10 year old He’s been credibly accused of raping a 13 year old, but go ahead and defend him Let's not forget that he used to barge into the dressing rooms of Miss Teen USA, while they were undressed. He admitted it. He said "he did it because he could". He's a fucking pervert.
|
|
ednkris
Well-Known Member
Joined: Feb 7, 2016 9:11:03 GMT -5
Posts: 1,176
|
Post by ednkris on Nov 26, 2019 15:37:46 GMT -5
Billionaires as in people. Corporations are businesses. So which is it Ever hear of Citizens United? The SC ruled that corporations ARE people Good then they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. After all people who have a shit ton of kids get money back why shouldn't corporations after they invest in their businesses.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 15:38:48 GMT -5
When his own daughter was a one year old toddler, he speculated about whether she'd have big breasts. What kind of a father does that? “Well, I think she’s got a lot of Marla, she’s a really beautiful baby,” said Trump, who was sat next to Maples. “She’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not she’s got this part yet, but time will tell,” Trump added, while cupping his hands to his chest to indicate breasts. www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-daughter-breasts-robin-leach_n_5b8111fde4b07295151325bd
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 15:40:41 GMT -5
Ever hear of Citizens United? The SC ruled that corporations ARE people Good then they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. After all people who have a shit ton of kids get money back why shouldn't corporations after they invest in their businesses. they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. They should pay the same rate citizens do? Or it's just fine for them to not pay any taxes at all? So the rest of us who do pay our fair share of taxes carries the burden. so which is it? You are contradicting yourself.
|
|
ednkris
Well-Known Member
Joined: Feb 7, 2016 9:11:03 GMT -5
Posts: 1,176
|
Post by ednkris on Nov 26, 2019 15:47:15 GMT -5
Good then they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. After all people who have a shit ton of kids get money back why shouldn't corporations after they invest in their businesses. they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. They should pay the same rate citizens do? Or it's just fine for them to not pay any taxes at all? So the rest of us who do pay our fair share of taxes carries the burden. so which is it? You are contradicting yourself. why would you say i'm contradicting myself, you can't comprehend what was written. How's this if people can use every deduction available to them to effectively pay 0 in taxes then it is perfectly fine corporations do also. Is that easier to understand
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 16:15:19 GMT -5
they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. They should pay the same rate citizens do? Or it's just fine for them to not pay any taxes at all? So the rest of us who do pay our fair share of taxes carries the burden. so which is it? You are contradicting yourself. why would you say i'm contradicting myself, you can't comprehend what was written. How's this if people can use every deduction available to them to effectively pay 0 in taxes then it is perfectly fine corporations do also. Is that easier to understand How's this: Corporations have deductions available to them that working class people don't. How hard is that to understand? You are defending a rigged system.
|
|
ednkris
Well-Known Member
Joined: Feb 7, 2016 9:11:03 GMT -5
Posts: 1,176
|
Post by ednkris on Nov 26, 2019 16:28:20 GMT -5
why would you say i'm contradicting myself, you can't comprehend what was written. How's this if people can use every deduction available to them to effectively pay 0 in taxes then it is perfectly fine corporations do also. Is that easier to understand How's this: Corporations have deductions available to them that working class people don't. How hard is that to understand? You are defending a rigged system. how is it rigged? So they have deductions, kind of like unearned income that some get and others don't. Talk about a rigged system
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 26, 2019 16:30:22 GMT -5
"Unearned income' "income from investments rather than work" Unearned income is an IRS term for income that is not obtained by participating in a business or trade (e.g., salaries and bonuses, wages, commissions and tips). It typically includes interest, dividends, pensions, social security, unemployment benefits, alimony and child support www.google.com/search?q=unearned+income&oq=unearned+income&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61l2j69i65l3j69i60.2907j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8If you are talking about capital gains, those are taxed at a lower rate (sometimes zero) than income that is earned by working. Or are you talking about pensions, social security, unemployment benefits (which you have to have worked to get) Do you even have the remotest idea what you are talking about?
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Nov 26, 2019 16:42:14 GMT -5
Deductions are line items that are taken along the way to getting the bottom line. Just like us citizens have on Schedule A. I have been deducting on Schedule E since 1976.
However, there is still the bottom line to contend with and owe tax on. In the last two years, Amazon has taken its deductions and depreciated its expansions to create tax shelter, yet still had about $17 BILLION on that Net Income line. They received millions back on that and their tax rate was actually a negative number. Not bad.
Now anyone that wants to defend that is anti-democratic and cutting off their nose to spite their face. It will eventually destroy our republic and leave us with a plutocratic oligarchy. There might even be people here that don’t even understand what that is.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 12:18:49 GMT -5
It's not that. (bolded) I thought all his legal problems came from trying to settle out of court with hush money. Whether for hiding it from his wife, or just the populace in general while campaigning. Wasn't it always with other adult women ? [/ He made several inappropriate comments about his own daughter. He made inappropriate comments to a 10 year old He’s been credibly accused of raping a 13 year old, but go ahead and defend him Comments are not against the law. Accused ? You have heard about innocent till proven guilty in the United States, haven't you ?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 12:23:29 GMT -5
Good then they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. After all people who have a shit ton of kids get money back why shouldn't corporations after they invest in their businesses. they should pay the same rate citizens do. Personally I don't care if they don't pay any tax as long as they are using legal deductions then it is all fair. They should pay the same rate citizens do? Or it's just fine for them to not pay any taxes at all? So the rest of us who do pay our fair share of taxes carries the burden.so which is it? You are contradicting yourself. Tax Rate is the law, with all applicable deductions etc. Fair share is your subjective opinion/idea. I don't pay taxes because of your subjective idea. I don't pay Federal/State income taxes at all, quite legally.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 24, 2024 21:25:00 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 12:28:33 GMT -5
When his own daughter was a one year old toddler, he speculated about whether she'd have big breasts. What kind of a father does that?“Well, I think she’s got a lot of Marla, she’s a really beautiful baby,” said Trump, who was sat next to Maples. “She’s got Marla’s legs. We don’t know whether or not she’s got this part yet, but time will tell,” Trump added, while cupping his hands to his chest to indicate breasts. www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-daughter-breasts-robin-leach_n_5b8111fde4b07295151325bdAny proud father, speculating on what his daughter might look like in the future. (bolded) No different than any mother hoping her son grows up to be strong and healthy. Your perception of this might be embarrassingly informative.
|
|