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Post by swamp on Oct 19, 2019 15:30:34 GMT -5
No one has a lawful right to ignore a supeona. Since a subpoena is a court order, refusal to comply can result in contempt of court charge, punishable by jail, a fine The fact that it isn't happening, tells you that the whole story isn't being reported. Or there are avenues still open that his attorneys are using. jail for failing to comply with a subpoena is the nuclear option. We're currently in the appeal process, we have to wait until appeals are exhausted to see if there is jail or a fine. Most people purge themselves of contempt as soon as the jail door closes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:11:22 GMT -5
The fact that it isn't happening, tells you that the whole story isn't being reported. Or there are avenues still open that his attorneys are using. jail for failing to comply with a subpoena is the nuclear option. We're currently in the appeal process, we have to wait until appeals are exhausted to see if there is jail or a fine. Most people purge themselves of contempt as soon as the jail door closes. That's what I thought, or it would of been over already. Trump being a first offender ( ), the fine would probably be the cost of one dinner setting at Mar a Largo these days.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 22, 2019 9:56:15 GMT -5
I don't know why people care so much about this. There are going to be a bunch of documents that Americans don't understand and they will rely on pundits to interpret what they mean. MSN will say what he is doing is criminal, Fox News will say that it's legal, and then everyone will side with whatever camp they are on. Ryan...Donald claims his tax's , returns, are too complicated for Americans to understand...Trust me, the government has the experts who will easily interpret them..understand the tax laws and the lawyers on staff who can interpret any laws that may be in question... After they are done I am sure explaining their findings to the regular folks will be done easily..Possible nothing to be found...Personally I believe for a wealthy individual, his charitable contributions will be found to be just minimal....but that's me... That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 22, 2019 14:52:30 GMT -5
Ryan...Donald claims his tax's , returns, are too complicated for Americans to understand...Trust me, the government has the experts who will easily interpret them..understand the tax laws and the lawyers on staff who can interpret any laws that may be in question... After they are done I am sure explaining their findings to the regular folks will be done easily..Possible nothing to be found...Personally I believe for a wealthy individual, his charitable contributions will be found to be just minimal....but that's me... That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it. They should be released to the proper oversight committee for the purpose of oversight....not the general public. However, should crimes be indicated in those tax papers..then the proper jurisdictions should prosecute accordingly!
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 22, 2019 16:42:56 GMT -5
Ryan...Donald claims his tax's , returns, are too complicated for Americans to understand...Trust me, the government has the experts who will easily interpret them..understand the tax laws and the lawyers on staff who can interpret any laws that may be in question... After they are done I am sure explaining their findings to the regular folks will be done easily..Possible nothing to be found...Personally I believe for a wealthy individual, his charitable contributions will be found to be just minimal....but that's me... That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it. I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
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Post by dezii on Oct 22, 2019 21:19:07 GMT -5
That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it. I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
" he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide." Possibility not criminal but definitely embarressing...A few examples of..." Minimal charitable giving...possible embarressing organization who do get funds...Possible returns showing, while he does have wealth, not anywhere as wealthy that he claims....those above just a few possibilities..definitely hurting his organization post presidency..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 11:32:50 GMT -5
That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it. I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 23, 2019 12:28:42 GMT -5
I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. Lol. Any day now? Wanna put some money on that one?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 12:44:52 GMT -5
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. Lol. Any day now? Wanna put some money on that one? I would never bet online. This is an anonymous forum. In order to appease the Democrats and the general left, he will be releasing his tax returns any day now. As tradition would dictate.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 23, 2019 20:38:57 GMT -5
That's my point though, there is already someone in the gov't that has oversight. So what's the point of releasing this to the American public only to have some armchair tax attorneys argue over it. They should be released to the proper oversight committee for the purpose of oversight....not the general public. However, should crimes be indicated in those tax papers..then the proper jurisdictions should prosecute accordingly! What known crime that are suppose to be hidden in his tax forms.. or is this just another fishing expedition, like all of the previous "Investigations"?? (witch hunts)
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 23, 2019 20:42:18 GMT -5
I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
" he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide." Possibility not criminal but definitely embarressing...A few examples of..." Minimal charitable giving...possible embarressing organization who do get funds...Possible returns showing, while he does have wealth, not anywhere as wealthy that he claims....those above just a few possibilities..definitely hurting his organization post presidency.. In the next breath you will be saying how Trump would make so much money for things like the troops staying at one of Trump resorts...Or the now gone G-7 Summit.
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Post by dondub on Oct 24, 2019 0:14:48 GMT -5
They should be released to the proper oversight committee for the purpose of oversight....not the general public. However, should crimes be indicated in those tax papers..then the proper jurisdictions should prosecute accordingly! What known crime that are suppose to be hidden in his tax forms.. or is this just another fishing expedition, like all of the previous "Investigations"?? (witch hunts) If there is nothing to hide then he should live up to his campaign promise to release them. If he doesn’t release them he is hiding something. If it’s criminal or unethical we, as his employers, should have a right to know that regardless of all the blather from his cultists.
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Post by dezii on Oct 24, 2019 0:50:31 GMT -5
" he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide." Possibility not criminal but definitely embarressing...A few examples of..." Minimal charitable giving...possible embarressing organization who do get funds...Possible returns showing, while he does have wealth, not anywhere as wealthy that he claims....those above just a few possibilities..definitely hurting his organization post presidency.. In the next breath you will be saying how Trump would make so much money for things like the troops staying at one of Trump resorts...Or the now gone G-7 Summit. uhhhh no "old.." , not at all...In fact if u reread my post . I started it off with the word.."possibility"...which means just that..what POSSIBLE his tax returns MIGHT show...Again , THE WORD" might.." the word "possible" Again to u..,WHY do u give such slobbering devotion to this individual. He is the WORST POTUS that has ever held that position..it is very embarressing to u...also so hard for normal folks to understand.{sad, so sad}
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2019 17:47:35 GMT -5
The bottom line- 3 pages later- is still Trump's tax returns are noneya.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2019 17:56:25 GMT -5
Lol. Any day now? Wanna put some money on that one? I would never bet online. This is an anonymous forum. In order to appease the Democrats and the general left, he will be releasing his tax returns any day now. As tradition would dictate. Appease? Are you really posting about 45?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 7:25:45 GMT -5
I would never bet online. This is an anonymous forum. In order to appease the Democrats and the general left, he will be releasing his tax returns any day now. As tradition would dictate. Appease? Are you really posting about 45? He already said he was going to release his tax returns. What's the big issue on this ? It's just a voluntary tradition, not a requirement.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 25, 2019 13:13:07 GMT -5
Appease? Are you really posting about 45? He already said he was going to release his tax returns.
What's the big issue on this ? It's just a voluntary tradition, not a requirement. He says a lot of things.......none of which are true.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2019 11:35:31 GMT -5
I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. I don't think there is any criminality, and that is WHY he is refusing to release them.
"why should I do X if there was no crime?"
well, because not releasing them becomes a crime, Mr. President.
just release the damn things.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2019 11:37:02 GMT -5
Lol. Any day now? Wanna put some money on that one? I would never bet online.
This is an anonymous forum. In order to appease the Democrats and the general left, he will be releasing his tax returns any day now. As tradition would dictate. I do it all the time. betting can be anonymous, jma. you just need a neutral 3rd party to administer the transaction.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 27, 2019 20:41:20 GMT -5
It's not like Donald J. Trump hasn't lived a very public life for almost four decades now. I'm embarrassed that I have to explain some of these things to you people- I mean really- how many books has he had published? The crown jewel would seem to be "The Art of The Deal". Read it. They've given him a bargaining chip. You don't hand it back. He's got something he can leverage- the release of his tax returns. And he'll likely do it under only one circumstance: it becomes a requirement for ALL public office holders. And then we will never hear about Donald Trump's (or anyone else's) tax returns ever again.
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Post by busymom on Oct 27, 2019 21:00:33 GMT -5
If he's innocent, he has nothing to fear from releasing his records. Which means we can assume one of two things: 1. he's either been lying to the IRS all of these years, or 2. he's been lying about how much money he actually makes, and he's not as rich as he claims to be. Either way, because he's hiding his information, he gives the appearance of being either a liar, or a fake (or maybe both). So, why not release those records if he's "innocent"?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 27, 2019 23:19:34 GMT -5
It's not like Donald J. Trump hasn't lived a very public life for almost four decades now. I'm embarrassed that I have to explain some of these things to you people- I mean really- how many books has he had published? The crown jewel would seem to be "The Art of The Deal". Read it. They've given him a bargaining chip. You don't hand it back. He's got something he can leverage- the release of his tax returns. And he'll likely do it under only one circumstance: it becomes a requirement for ALL public office holders. And then we will never hear about Donald Trump's (or anyone else's) tax returns ever again. While campaigning, he went on and on about how he would release his tax returns if he was elected. Couldn't do it then, because they were "under audit". (snort) But once he was elected, he'd show them. Are you calling him a liar?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 8:58:42 GMT -5
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. I don't think there is any criminality, and that is WHY he is refusing to release them.
"why should I do X if there was no crime?"
well, because not releasing them becomes a crime, Mr. President.
just release the damn things.
It's in an appeal right now. I'm just waiting to see what happens. No crime until the final disposition.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2019 9:54:27 GMT -5
I don't think there is any criminality, and that is WHY he is refusing to release them.
"why should I do X if there was no crime?"
well, because not releasing them becomes a crime, Mr. President.
just release the damn things.
It's in an appeal right now. I'm just waiting to see what happens. No crime until the final disposition. the crime is interfering with a congressional inquiry.
or is that not a crime, because the president did it, iyo?
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 28, 2019 13:48:40 GMT -5
I expect people to keep their promises. And this is not some blow-in-the-wind promise of that can't be fullfilled like "I'll balance the budget in the next 30 days" or even "I'll solve the ME crisis" within the next 6 months". Keeping on that one for now. This is a very simple: I'll release my tax returns -totally doable, often promised, never followed through. So any reasonable person has to conclude that he has at least something, and maybe even a lot, to hide.
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. It has been 5 days. Has he released them yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 11:56:51 GMT -5
It's in an appeal right now. I'm just waiting to see what happens. No crime until the final disposition. the crime is interfering with a congressional inquiry.
or is that not a crime, because the president did it, iyo?
As a sitting president ? I don't know. My opinion wouldn't mean anything in regards to it being a crime.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 11:58:18 GMT -5
He'll be releasing them any day now. He has nothing to hide. People like to make criminal mountains, out of voluntary tradition molehills. It has been 5 days. Has he released them yet? He should be releasing them any day now.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 29, 2019 13:25:58 GMT -5
If he's innocent, he has nothing to fear from releasing his records. Which means we can assume one of two things: 1. he's either been lying to the IRS all of these years, or 2. he's been lying about how much money he actually makes, and he's not as rich as he claims to be. Either way, because he's hiding his information, he gives the appearance of being either a liar, or a fake (or maybe both). So, why not release those records if he's "innocent"? Any worthy judge would instruct a jury that the exercise of one's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights may not be construed as an admission of guilt.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 29, 2019 14:03:19 GMT -5
It's not like Donald J. Trump hasn't lived a very public life for almost four decades now. I'm embarrassed that I have to explain some of these things to you people- I mean really- how many books has he had published? The crown jewel would seem to be "The Art of The Deal". Read it. They've given him a bargaining chip. You don't hand it back. He's got something he can leverage- the release of his tax returns. And he'll likely do it under only one circumstance: it becomes a requirement for ALL public office holders. And then we will never hear about Donald Trump's (or anyone else's) tax returns ever again. Trump doesn't read. People who don't read don't write books
He didn't write that book, in particular. It was ghost written.
The ghost writer is now pissed that he wrote it, because he thinks it helped Trump get elected, and he deeply regrets it.
He wishes he wrote about the ACTUAL Trump and not the fantasy Trump wanted to spin.
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