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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 14, 2019 17:32:59 GMT -5
um. that is totally wrong.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 14, 2019 18:23:57 GMT -5
Being a Christian Leader Speech Michael R. Pompeo, Secretary of State...
Every day, as Secretary of State, I get a real chance to be humble, because I get to see the great work that my team is doing. I, like many of you, am also confronted with highly complex problem sets, and I need wisdom to try and make the right calls. I need to admit what I don’t know and try to learn it, to ask the questions that others might find obvious and be unembarrassed, and to accept conclusions when the facts are presented that might go against whatever preconceived notion that I might have had.
Indeed, this disposition is my duty; it’s my duty to the American people to pursue the outcomes based on an honest analysis of the facts as they present themselves. We know this, too – we see this in our lives: Pride can get in the way of that. But wisdom comes from a humble disposition.
And one more point on disposition: forgiveness. ... Perhaps he could give this little speech in the Oval Office
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Post by haapai on Oct 14, 2019 18:30:27 GMT -5
My Gawd. I was convinced that the OP had to be a spoof or a fluke but the same stuff showed up when I googled the US dept of state.
I grew up in the third world. I've seen this combination of piety and sycophancy before. I don't want to see it in my own country.
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Post by dondub on Oct 14, 2019 22:10:14 GMT -5
Dear Christian loser,
In all of your pompeosity and that of your heathen overlord, you have simply shat on Jesus, sent valued allies to the gallows, freed enemies to kill even more, and made yourselves look like genocidal freaks and tremendous, perfect hypocrites beyond all redemption.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 14, 2019 22:30:30 GMT -5
The State Department has now changed the picture on their home page.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 14, 2019 23:21:40 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2019 8:07:58 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. And sex, drugs and rock n'roll. And video games and TV. Statistically speaking nations that are more secular than ours have BETTER mental health and deal BETTER with drug issues because instead of justifying being able to turn their backs on their fellow humans because clearly those people didn't have enough faith or did something immoral to deserve God's punishment, those countries deal with it as a humanitarian/public health issue.
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Post by swamp on Oct 15, 2019 8:21:47 GMT -5
But we all better watch out for them there muslins and their sharia law they want to force on us.
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Post by oped on Oct 15, 2019 8:23:04 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying.
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Post by swamp on Oct 15, 2019 8:27:58 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying. It seems wrong to like your comment, but I agree wholeheartly. How people like this are able to become lawyers just baffles me. Did he ever take constitutional law?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 15, 2019 9:49:14 GMT -5
His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying. It seems wrong to like your comment, but I agree wholeheartly. How people like this are able to become lawyers just baffles me. Did he ever take constitutional law? I'm going with the theory that he was hungover for most of his constitutional law classes.
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Post by swamp on Oct 15, 2019 9:50:12 GMT -5
It seems wrong to like your comment, but I agree wholeheartly. How people like this are able to become lawyers just baffles me. Did he ever take constitutional law? I'm going with the theory that he was hungover for most of his constitutional law classes. I was too, or even still drunk, and I know better.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 15, 2019 9:52:40 GMT -5
I'm going with the theory that he was hungover for most of his constitutional law classes. I was too, or even still drunk, and I know better. Then maybe he skipped them due to the hangover.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 10:29:03 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying. I did not find it be that bad and I was predisposed to find it to be. I read, "listen, be open, be humble, forgive". I am not sure how well he actually walks those words, and know his boss certainly doesn't, but they are good traits in a leader. I read nothing that I thought any American leader wouldn't say to that audience.
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Post by oped on Oct 15, 2019 10:31:45 GMT -5
His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying. I did not find it be that bad and I was predisposed to find it to be. I read, "listen, be open, be humble, forgive". I am not sure how well he actually walks those words, and know his boss certainly doesn't, but they are good traits in a leader. I read nothing that I thought any American leader wouldn't say to that audience. Billis. I like you a lot. But it’s been evident for a bit you maybe aren’t taking as seriously as necessary the daily insidious threats to the republic and our way of life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 10:40:52 GMT -5
His speech was much worse than that. It was horrifying. It seems wrong to like your comment, but I agree wholeheartly. How people like this are able to become lawyers just baffles me. Did he ever take constitutional law? He’s part of the Jay Sekulow school of thought to insert christianity via the government wherever possible and argue about the constitutional ramifications after doing so.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 15, 2019 10:54:47 GMT -5
But we all better watch out for them there muslins and their sharia law they want to force on us. Yeah but we NEED Christianity. All those other religions don't count.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 15, 2019 10:54:50 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. And sex, drugs and rock n'roll. And video games and TV. Statistically speaking nations that are more secular than ours have BETTER mental health and deal BETTER with drug issues because instead of justifying being able to turn their backs on their fellow humans because clearly those people didn't have enough faith or did something immoral to deserve God's punishment, those countries deal with it as a humanitarian/public health issue. they are also better educated, and have a deeper understanding of science in the world.
and no, I am not making that up. it is a persistent showing from the UCI Center of Religious Studies that they have been doing for 30+ years. the rest of the Western world continues to move ahead along these vectors, and the US is stuck in 1958.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 15, 2019 13:30:37 GMT -5
And Barr has been going around saying that mental health & drug addictions are due to lack of religion. I wonder how many people with addiction problems can trace them back TO religion. The daily message that I was not, nor will ever be good enough, and that I was unlovable, except by someone who wasn't human, and I needed to apologize every day and beg for help, was not a healthy message for me. I can trace a lot of my problems back to my Christian foundation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 15, 2019 15:59:42 GMT -5
It seems wrong to like your comment, but I agree wholeheartly. How people like this are able to become lawyers just baffles me. Did he ever take constitutional law? He’s part of the Jay Sekulow school of thought to insert christianity via the government wherever possible and argue about the constitutional ramifications after doing so. William Barr Is Neck-Deep in Extremist Catholic InstitutionsHis troubles don’t only involve his obeisance to Donald Trump. He’s a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won’t respect the separation of church and state. t’s not enough that Attorney General William Barr, whose office is supposed to be nominally independent of the president’s, is busy pursuing Donald Trump’s paranoid global and domestic grudges around the world. Barr is also finding time to denounce his own country. In a histrionic speech at Notre Dame Law School on Friday, he blamed “secularists” and “so-called progressives” for destroying society and precipitating the crises of family dissolution, crime, and drugs, while talking of a war between religious and nonreligious Americans. Scary shit. “This is not decay,” Barr intoned darkly at Notre Dame. “This is organized destruction. Secularists and their allies have marshaled all the forces of mass communication, popular culture, the entertainment industry, and academia in an unremitting assault on religion and traditional values.” “Virtually every measure of social pathology continues to gain ground,” he continued. “Along with the wreckage of the family, we are seeing record levels of depression and mental illness, dispirited young people, soaring suicide rates, increasing numbers of alienated young males, an increase in senseless violence and the deadly drug epidemic.” He accused the government, with no evidence, of blocking the “passing on of the faith” from parents to their children, which he called a “monstrous invasion of religious liberty.” According to Mother Jones, Barr’s extremist talk “shocked legal experts, who saw Barr’s defense of religious freedom as an assault on the First Amendment’s protection against the government’s establishment of any religion.” On Twitter, legal experts were horrified. As former government ethics lawyer Walter Schaub declaimed: Complete article here: William Barr Is Neck-Deep in Extremist Catholic Institutions
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2019 16:17:15 GMT -5
As if any Catholic has 1 oz. of moral authority left after the now many years of exposure of the pedophile cult within the priesthood, the fact the church knew of this and was complicit at the highest levels. That means they were all accomplices before, during, and after the fact of child molestation and rape worldwide. You want to "destroy society, precipitate family crises", cause personnel dissolution of victims, victims sinking into crimes and drugs, having record levels of depression and mental illness amongst Catholic children, suicide rates amongst alienated young males raped by priests....you got it Mr. Barr. Now shut your pie hole.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 16:40:56 GMT -5
I did not find it be that bad and I was predisposed to find it to be. I read, "listen, be open, be humble, forgive". I am not sure how well he actually walks those words, and know his boss certainly doesn't, but they are good traits in a leader. I read nothing that I thought any American leader wouldn't say to that audience. Billis. I like you a lot. But it’s been evident for a bit you maybe aren’t taking as seriously as necessary the daily insidious threats to the republic and our way of life. What do you see as "our way of life"? I have heard a lot over the years about "our ideals" and have experienced a lot of life falling way short of those ideals. I will admit that there are examples of growth (e.g. marriage equality) but there is still a lot of distance between our ideals and our way of life. In a little over a year, the American citizenry will have the final opportunity to address the "threats to the republic". It is already very clear what one of the options will be and where that is leading. There is work still to be done to determine the other major option. There will be other options available as well. I am on the downhill side of life. It is not truly my future which will be decided. I see it as the responsibility of younger generations to determine the country they will live, and potentially die, in. I understand that there are barriers erected to make it harder for many to have an impact but not overcoming them is a choice. Get the ID you need, ensure you haven't been purged from the voting registry, don't succumb to propaganda, etc. I think those who identify as Republican should nominate someone other than Donald Trump but they won't. Time will tell if Democratic primary voters will make an intelligent choice. And if not, will the American people demand and find a good third option? I am burned out at this point. I am not "taking as seriously as necessary" much these days. I don't see "serious" as being of much value in the face of what we are experiencing these days. So I will just be playing around until my fellow citizens tell me what "our way of life" will be in my final days. At that point I will reassess
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2019 16:46:39 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by oped on Oct 15, 2019 19:09:39 GMT -5
Billis. I like you a lot. But it’s been evident for a bit you maybe aren’t taking as seriously as necessary the daily insidious threats to the republic and our way of life. What do you see as "our way of life"? I have heard a lot over the years about "our ideals" and have experienced a lot of life falling way short of those ideals. I will admit that there are examples of growth (e.g. marriage equality) but there is still a lot of distance between our ideals and our way of life. In a little over a year, the American citizenry will have the final opportunity to address the "threats to the republic". It is already very clear what one of the options will be and where that is leading. There is work still to be done to determine the other major option. There will be other options available as well. I am on the downhill side of life. It is not truly my future which will be decided. I see it as the responsibility of younger generations to determine the country they will live, and potentially die, in. I understand that there are barriers erected to make it harder for many to have an impact but not overcoming them is a choice. Get the ID you need, ensure you haven't been purged from the voting registry, don't succumb to propaganda, etc. I think those who identify as Republican should nominate someone other than Donald Trump but they won't. Time will tell if Democratic primary voters will make an intelligent choice. And if not, will the American people demand and find a good third option? I am burned out at this point. I am not "taking as seriously as necessary" much these days. I don't see "serious" as being of much value in the face of what we are experiencing these days. So I will just be playing around until my fellow citizens tell me what "our way of life" will be in my final days. At that point I will reassess Going to make some assumptions here, disabuse me if I'm wrong.... but poster and those who liked it.... all white males?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 19:18:05 GMT -5
What do you see as "our way of life"? I have heard a lot over the years about "our ideals" and have experienced a lot of life falling way short of those ideals. I will admit that there are examples of growth (e.g. marriage equality) but there is still a lot of distance between our ideals and our way of life. In a little over a year, the American citizenry will have the final opportunity to address the "threats to the republic". It is already very clear what one of the options will be and where that is leading. There is work still to be done to determine the other major option. There will be other options available as well. I am on the downhill side of life. It is not truly my future which will be decided. I see it as the responsibility of younger generations to determine the country they will live, and potentially die, in. I understand that there are barriers erected to make it harder for many to have an impact but not overcoming them is a choice. Get the ID you need, ensure you haven't been purged from the voting registry, don't succumb to propaganda, etc. I think those who identify as Republican should nominate someone other than Donald Trump but they won't. Time will tell if Democratic primary voters will make an intelligent choice. And if not, will the American people demand and find a good third option? I am burned out at this point. I am not "taking as seriously as necessary" much these days. I don't see "serious" as being of much value in the face of what we are experiencing these days. So I will just be playing around until my fellow citizens tell me what "our way of life" will be in my final days. At that point I will reassess Going to make some assumptions here, disabuse me if I'm wrong.... but poster and those who liked it.... all white males? I was born born male and pale.
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Post by oped on Oct 15, 2019 19:55:14 GMT -5
I don't mean to be... that person... but its so much easier to be nonchalant and whatever may come when you don't have a vagina or excessive pigment... etc.
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Post by dondub on Oct 15, 2019 19:56:58 GMT -5
Is there something wrong with white males that believe America has not lived up to it’s promises? That America has failed, in many ways, We The People?
BTW....last time I checked that included vaginas. and differing pigments.
What’s your problem with white males that are on your side?
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Post by oped on Oct 15, 2019 20:12:33 GMT -5
The issue is, realistically, the least likely to have everything change when the republic falls is white males. Its just reality.
I was responding most to this sentiment, "I am burned out at this point. I am not "taking as seriously as necessary" much these days. I don't see "serious" as being of much value in the face of what we are experiencing these days. So I will just be playing around until my fellow citizens tell me what "our way of life" will be in my final days. At that point I will reassess"
I was put off by the popcorn in the face of Kurds about to be slaughtered the other day to, I have to confess.
This week has been as hard for me at the first month after the election I think. Crying uncontrollable at times. Blind white rage at others.
I wish I had the luxury of not seeing the value in treating things seriously.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 15, 2019 20:13:06 GMT -5
I don't mean to be... that person... but its so much easier to be nonchalant and whatever may come when you don't have a vagina or excessive pigment... etc. I would agree. I also think it is wonderful that those with vaginas and with more pigment are taking a leading role in the progressive movement. Note: I don't consider myself to have the right amount of pigment, this making those with more having an "excessive" amount.
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