first results of our withdrawing our forces from Syria

[dezii]

It didn't take long and I watched the GOP lapdogs spew alternate facts all weekend supporting Trumps reason for the withdrawel….it was unmitigated BS...same as his calling attacks on him the same...

My unsolicited advice to allies with the resources and technical skills...to expect, as long as Trump remains POTUS, that he would support them with our Nuclear Umbrella against attacks...they should think again. The Donald cares little for alliances...he is all in on "America first"...treaties and comittments mean little...If he wins in 2020 , then I would seriously for those countries , consider going nuclear...

I am thinking South Korea, Japan, Germany, even Taiwan and the Saudis......To expect, under the Donald, to actual use such weapons for a foreign government...forget it.

These countries have the $ and brainpower to be nuclear ..It is the guarantees of protection by us for them that have kept them non nuclear...That guarantee is now out the window no matter what he says...Actually , as Hitler laid out in his book, "Mein Kouf"..he bared his soul...no secrets of his desires...Same with the Donald..."        America First"...
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www.yahoo.com/news/kurds-agree-russian-brokered-plan-213844994.html
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To go along with above article...the following article explains a special deal that would have saved the Kurds and left us with influence in the area...but is no longer..
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www.yahoo.com/news/u-helped-spoil-deal-might-000652421.html

[Value Buy]

Mein Kouf??
Is that another wording for Mein Kampf or just a mis-spelling?

[Tennesseer]

Oct 14, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mein Kouf??
Is that another wording for Mein Kampf or just a mis-spelling?

JC-you misspelled misspelled.

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mein Kouf??
Is that another wording for Mein Kampf or just a mis-spelling?

JC-you misspelled misspelled.

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

[NastyWoman]

Oct 14, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

JC-you misspelled misspelled.

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

Do you really think we believe that statement for one second?

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2019 11:58:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

Do you really think we believe that statement for one second?

You should.
I use mostly appropiate emoticons when I am pointing out something to make a point. I was not making a point in this case.
(no emoticon to be attached to this reply)

[Tennesseer]

Oct 14, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

JC-you misspelled misspelled.

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

If you are going to correct someone's spelling, then by God, you better spell correctly in your reply.

And no, I don't believe you. You knew nothing of the sort. You simply erred correcting someone else's error.

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2019 12:10:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

If you are going to correct someone's spelling, then by God, you better spell correctly in your reply.

And no, I don't believe you. You knew nothing of the sort. You simply erred correcting someone else's error.

Deminmaine tried to get back on topic, but I guess that is impossible these days.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 14, 2019 12:12:40 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:10:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

If you are going to correct someone's spelling, then by God, you better spell correctly in your reply.

And no, I don't believe you. You knew nothing of the sort. You simply erred correcting someone else's error.

Deminmaine tried to get back on topic, but I guess that is impossible these days.

Then why did you even reply?

[hurley1980]

I read somewhere this weekend that like 700 ISIS prisoners have already escaped since we withdrew.

MAGA! Donald Trump will go down in history as being responsible for bringing back ISIS!

[kadee79]

Oct 14, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I read somewhere this weekend that like 700 ISIS prisoners have already escaped since we withdrew.

MAGA! Donald Trump will go down in history as being responsible for bringing back ISIS!

If he doesn't create problems....how can he be expected to solve them?  He is working so hard (BS) right now to get a slew of sanctions together to put against Turkey!...while Russia does it's own thing...getting stronger. 

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I haven't QUITE figured out the Russian angle yet, beyond that they are tickled pink to be back in the driver's seat in the region.  U.S. gone, green light for them to increase their zone of influence and further secure their naval base in Syria.  


I guess what I haven't got is this- NATO member Turkey is being condemned by other NATO members for working with Russia- whom NATO is supposed to defend against.  Some have even mentioned kicking Turkey out of the alliance.  Yet Russia supposedly brokered the deal between the Kurds and Russian client Assad/ Syria, to give the Kurds support in fighting Turkey.  Doesn't add up.

Sort of does for Assad and the Russians. 
Turkey winds up killing a bunch of Kurds and does not worry about Kurds intruding into Turkey for attacks as they did several years ago. 
This also shows NATO is the new Paper Tiger of world peace. For those too young to know about  the meaning of Paper Tiger, the USA was accused of being one in world political turmoil situations back in the 1960's and 70's 
Big words and no or little real action.
A simple description but it fit at the time in the eyes of many around the world.

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I read somewhere this weekend that like 700 ISIS prisoners have already escaped since we withdrew.

MAGA! Donald Trump will go down in history as being responsible for bringing back ISIS!

Maybe, maybe not. Have to remember it was the Kurds announcing this.
And it was not all ISIS PRISONERS as in actual fighters. The number included family members who may or may not actually fight anyone.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 14, 2019 12:26:40 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I read somewhere this weekend that like 700 ISIS prisoners have already escaped since we withdrew.

MAGA! Donald Trump will go down in history as being responsible for bringing back ISIS!

If he doesn't create problems....how can he be expected to solve them?  He is working so hard (BS) right now to get a slew of sanctions together to put against Turkey!...while Russia does it's own thing...getting stronger. 

My guess is that the impeachment inquiry is a contributor to this decision → anything to try and take attention away from that...

[Tennesseer]

Oct 14, 2019 12:27:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I haven't QUITE figured out the Russian angle yet, beyond that they are tickled pink to be back in the driver's seat in the region.  U.S. gone, green light for them to increase their zone of influence and further secure their naval base in Syria.  


I guess what I haven't got is this- NATO member Turkey is being condemned by other NATO members for working with Russia- whom NATO is supposed to defend against.  Some have even mentioned kicking Turkey out of the alliance.  Yet Russia supposedly brokered the deal between the Kurds and Russian client Assad/ Syria, to give the Kurds support in fighting Turkey.  Doesn't add up.

Sort of does for Assad and the Russians. 
Turkey winds up killing a bunch of Kurds and does not worry about Kurds intruding into Turkey for attacks as they did several years ago. 
This also shows NATO is the new Paper Tiger of world peace. For those too young to know about  the meaning of Paper Tiger, the USA was accused of being one in world political turmoil situations back in the 1960's and 70's 
Big words and no or little real action.
A simple description but it fit at the time in the eyes of many around the world.

trump's mess. Not NATO's or the EU's mess. trump owns it. Blood is on trump's hands.

[dondub]

  Yeah the bottom line is this: Trump sold out our Kurd allies in the fight called The War On Terror because they didn't help at Normandy, allowing the escape of 700 hard corps ISIS "monsters" as Trump referred to them before thus guaranteeing various blowbacks, empowering Iran and Russia and Syria, but helping Turkey which aids his 119 business interests there and preserves the flow of Turkish citizens to Trump resorts (those being the greatest number that do so) so he can continue to cash in to save his business ass before fleeing into the sunset.

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 14, 2019 12:56:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:27:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sort of does for Assad and the Russians. 
Turkey winds up killing a bunch of Kurds and does not worry about Kurds intruding into Turkey for attacks as they did several years ago. 
This also shows NATO is the new Paper Tiger of world peace. For those too young to know about  the meaning of Paper Tiger, the USA was accused of being one in world political turmoil situations back in the 1960's and 70's 
Big words and no or little real action.
A simple description but it fit at the time in the eyes of many around the world.

trump's mess. Not NATO's or the EU's mess. trump owns it. Blood is on trump's hands.

And on those who continue to support him.  Without them, he'd lose support in the Senate.

[hurley1980]

Oct 14, 2019 13:41:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

  Yeah the bottom line is this: Trump sold out our Kurd allies in the fight called The War On Terror because they didn't help at Normandy, allowing the escape of 700 hard corps ISIS "monsters" as Trump referred to them before thus guaranteeing various blowbacks, empowering Iran and Russia and Syria, but helping Turkey which aids his 119 business interests there and preserves the flow of Turkish citizens to Trump resorts (those being the greatest number that do so) so he can continue to cash in to save his business ass before fleeing into the sunset.

Nailed it!

[Tennesseer]

Good read and not a long article.

The war against ISIS was all a waste

(CNN)Earlier this year I spent almost two months in northeast Syria covering what we thought was the final battle against ISIS. The so-called caliphate that stretched from the outskirts of Baghdad to western Syria, that ruled over more than ten million people, had been reduced to the remote town of Baghouz on the banks of the Euphrates.

In the end the "caliphate" was little more than a sprawling expanse of rubble and mangled cars, strewn with the corpses of ISIS fighters.

But it wasn't the final battle. We were wrong.

Thousands of ISIS fighters surrendered, and many thousands more -- their widows and orphans, their wives and children -- ended up in SDF-run prisons and detention camps.

et just days after the Turkish army and its Syrian allies invaded northeastern Syria last week, hundreds have escaped, and as the offensive continues and the SDF comes under ever greater pressure, more will probably break out of captivity.

Complete article here: The war against ISIS was all a waste

[weltschmerz]

Oct 14, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mein Kouf??
Is that another wording for Mein Kampf or just a mis-spelling?

Dezii had a stroke. What's your excuse?

[countrygirl2]

I had no idea, now this is scary as hell:
U.S. Reviewing Options For Pulling Nuclear Bombs Out Of Turkey, Here's How They Might Do It

The rapidly evolving crisis in Syria may prompt the U.S. to finally remove its nuclear stockpile from Turkey, a move that some say is long overdue.

By Joseph TrevithickOctober 14, 2019

The War Zone



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The U.S. government is reportedly examining multiple plans for how it might remove approximately 50 B61 nuclear gravity bombs it keeps in ready storage at the American-operated portion of Turkey's Incirlik Air Base. This comes a week after Turkey launched an operation into northern Syria targeting the primarily Kurdish U.S.-supported Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF. This intervention has precipitated an all-new crisis in the region, prompted the start of at least a tactical withdrawal of U.S. forces from much of the country amid concerns they could be caught in the fighting, and led to calls for an arms embargo

I wonder if trump has a clue or is he going to turn them over to his Russian masters.




Read the rest at The Drive  War Zone

[dezii]

Oct 14, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Mein Kouf??
Is that another wording for Mein Kampf or just a mis-spelling?

A miss...sorry all.

[dezii]

Oct 14, 2019 11:58:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 14, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I knew you would come through on that. you continue to do this.
I was asking a legitimate question as I googled his title spelling thinking I missed another book that Hitler wrote.
Just get over yourself. Sometimes  foreign translations into English get mangled.
It is not all about me, although you seem to think so.....

Do you really think we believe that statement for one second?

………………………. ………..

[dezii]

Oct 14, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I haven't QUITE figured out the Russian angle yet, beyond that they are tickled pink to be back in the driver's seat in the region.  U.S. gone, green light for them to increase their zone of influence and further secure their naval base in Syria.  


I guess what I haven't got is this- NATO member Turkey is being condemned by other NATO members for working with Russia- whom NATO is supposed to defend against.  Some have even mentioned kicking Turkey out of the alliance.  Yet Russia supposedly brokered the deal between the Kurds and Russian client Assad/ Syria, to give the Kurds support in fighting Turkey.  Doesn't add up.

Middle East politics...?

[countrygirl2]

And how are they going to get our 1000 troops out of there safely?  They are surrounded with roads cut off and supply lies.  I guess trumpers have told the Russians we want them all out and their equipment safely.  Well gee, that's special.


The moron is finally doing real harm to the US.  If any military backs him I wouldn't know who.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 15, 2019 8:29:51 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Oct 14, 2019 15:11:03 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Good read and not a long article.

The war against ISIS was all a waste

(CNN)Earlier this year I spent almost two months in northeast Syria covering what we thought was the final battle against ISIS. The so-called caliphate that stretched from the outskirts of Baghdad to western Syria, that ruled over more than ten million people, had been reduced to the remote town of Baghouz on the banks of the Euphrates.

In the end the "caliphate" was little more than a sprawling expanse of rubble and mangled cars, strewn with the corpses of ISIS fighters.

But it wasn't the final battle. We were wrong.

Thousands of ISIS fighters surrendered, and many thousands more -- their widows and orphans, their wives and children -- ended up in SDF-run prisons and detention camps.

et just days after the Turkish army and its Syrian allies invaded northeastern Syria last week, hundreds have escaped, and as the offensive continues and the SDF comes under ever greater pressure, more will probably break out of captivity.

Complete article here: The war against ISIS was all a waste

And, should he somehow survive his domestic legal and political headwinds, here is how Trump will frame it for his "base".

1.  The mess in Syria was all Obama's making, and Obama's fault (along with Joe BIDEN) Luckily he defeated ISIS though.
2.  Illegal immigration is a BIG THREAT.  They are DANGEROUS!
3.  Terrorists are trying to sneak in, and MUST BE STOPPED.  ALL immigration is subject to refusal.  
4.  BUILD THE WALL. The Kurds will pay for it.
5.  Dastardly Democrats are trying to stop his heroic efforts.
6.  Re-elect Trump to SAVE AMERICA!

Added to #4.

[justme]

Oct 14, 2019 12:08:35 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

So, anyway....


This is despicable.  The United States cuts and runs, like a coward.  From a two bit dictator wannabe like Erdogan.  For shame.

I am one who advocates for less foreign involvement, generally.  But there is a way to go about things, and there is a way to just make everything FUBAR.  For several reasons, this will be the latter unfortunately.  And never mind little things like honor, integrity, moral right and loyalty.

I guess this is typical from the Trump playbook though.  Just ask ol' Rudi in abut a week or two about that.

I was catching up on the Daily Show last night and one of the clips they showed was basically trump saying well I didn't make any deals with the Kurds that was the other guy so I owe them nothing...and then I forget whether it was a question or Trevor asking about how that works when the current leader decides to basically ignore everything the previous one agreed to with our allies trusting us. 

I'm not surprised by his answer, but damn the gall. 

[dezii]

Oct 15, 2019 9:22:08 GMT -5 justme said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:08:35 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

So, anyway....


This is despicable.  The United States cuts and runs, like a coward.  From a two bit dictator wannabe like Erdogan.  For shame.

I am one who advocates for less foreign involvement, generally.  But there is a way to go about things, and there is a way to just make everything FUBAR.  For several reasons, this will be the latter unfortunately.  And never mind little things like honor, integrity, moral right and loyalty.

I guess this is typical from the Trump playbook though.  Just ask ol' Rudi in abut a week or two about that.

I was catching up on the Daily Show last night and one of the clips they showed was basically trump saying well I didn't make any deals with the Kurds that was the other guy so I owe them nothing...and then I forget whether it was a question or Trevor asking about how that works when the current leader decides to basically ignore everything the previous one agreed to with our allies trusting us. 

I'm not surprised by his answer, but damn the gall. 

I believe his WH staff admitted his decision on Syria was a mistake...however, nothing from the Donald himself...[sigh]

[justme]

Oct 14, 2019 12:28:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:23:52 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I read somewhere this weekend that like 700 ISIS prisoners have already escaped since we withdrew.

MAGA! Donald Trump will go down in history as being responsible for bringing back ISIS!

Maybe, maybe not. Have to remember it was the Kurds announcing this.
And it was not all ISIS PRISONERS as in actual fighters. The number included family members who may or may not actually fight anyone.

www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news-netcast/video/nightly-news-full-broadcast-october-14th-71258181844

Starts about 2 minutes in. At 330 minutes in an ISIS prisoner mentions how everyone has a good feeling now that it's happening. 

[Tennesseer]

Satire

Jubilant ISIS Prisoners Hail American Liberators
Yesterday 12:37PM

AIN ISSA, SYRIA—As they streamed out of detention camps in northern Syria following U.S. withdrawal of military support in the region, jubilant ISIS prisoners on Monday hailed their American liberators. “We never thought we’d see the day when someone would finally stand up for us and free us from the Syrian Democratic Forces’ clutches,” said ISIS member Mohsin Al-Lateef as hundreds of his recently liberated fellow jihadist militants praised President Donald Trump and raised American flags in tribute to their emancipators.

“For years, we opposed the United States for their intervention in our lands, but now we see that they strongly believe in our mission to establish a caliphate across our ancient lands and put infidels to death. We will honor the U.S. for not only standing down in support of our fight against the Syrian Kurds but for stoking chaos in the region to give us a chance to regroup and re-emerge stronger than ever before. God bless America!” 

Complete article here: Jubilant ISIS Prisoners Hail American Liberators