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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 10:13:02 GMT -5
Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treatyThe Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the "Open Skies" treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress. The decision to leave the treaty -- which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002 and allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another's territories -- could affect the American military's ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia and other member countries. The treaty is used to help verify arms control agreements, according to the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency, part of the Defense Department. According to the State Department, the treaty "is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them." This would be the latest major international treaty the administration has abandoned. In August the US formally withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia, ending a landmark arms control pact that has limited the development of ground-based missiles with a range of 500 to 5,500 kilometers. Analysts fear the developments are likely to prompt a new and dangerous arms race with Moscow and CNN has reported the US military is set to test a new non-nuclear mobile-launched cruise missile developed specifically to challenge Russia in Europe. Full article here: Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treaty
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 10:48:17 GMT -5
Saw this...He is trying his damnedest to give the US to Russia...on a gold platter!
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 9, 2019 10:55:19 GMT -5
Saw this...He is trying his damnedest to give the US to Russia...on a gold platter! On a gold sh*tter you mean. Now I wonder whether dt was behind the theft of Churchill's golden throne, so he would not have to give up his own
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Post by busymom on Oct 9, 2019 11:25:58 GMT -5
Yup, Trump is the "gift that keeps on giving". Too bad what he's giving away is our country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 12:37:13 GMT -5
Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treatyThe Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the "Open Skies" treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress. The decision to leave the treaty -- which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002 and allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another's territories -- could affect the American military's ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia and other member countries. The treaty is used to help verify arms control agreements, according to the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency, part of the Defense Department. According to the State Department, the treaty "is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them." This would be the latest major international treaty the administration has abandoned. In August the US formally withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia, ending a landmark arms control pact that has limited the development of ground-based missiles with a range of 500 to 5,500 kilometers. Analysts fear the developments are likely to prompt a new and dangerous arms race with Moscow and CNN has reported the US military is set to test a new non-nuclear mobile-launched cruise missile developed specifically to challenge Russia in Europe. Full article here: Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treaty So Russia can no longer over fly the US for surveillance purposes ? This is bad ?
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 12:40:18 GMT -5
Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treatyThe Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the "Open Skies" treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress. The decision to leave the treaty -- which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002 and allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another's territories -- could affect the American military's ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia and other member countries. The treaty is used to help verify arms control agreements, according to the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency, part of the Defense Department. According to the State Department, the treaty "is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them." This would be the latest major international treaty the administration has abandoned. In August the US formally withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia, ending a landmark arms control pact that has limited the development of ground-based missiles with a range of 500 to 5,500 kilometers. Analysts fear the developments are likely to prompt a new and dangerous arms race with Moscow and CNN has reported the US military is set to test a new non-nuclear mobile-launched cruise missile developed specifically to challenge Russia in Europe. Full article here: Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treaty So Russia can no longer over fly the US for surveillance purposes ? This is bad ? It was a good treaty. We could fly over Russia and Russia could fly over the U.S.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 12:42:14 GMT -5
Yes! We can't fly over Russia or any of the other countries in the treaty is we withdraw...to keep an eye on all of them.
Russia was blocked from seeing anything major...often. But then the military doesn't always announce when they are going to do things like that either.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 12:49:30 GMT -5
With the use of satellites now. Just how much do we need to rely on fly over missions?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 12:57:59 GMT -5
So Russia can no longer over fly the US for surveillance purposes ? This is bad ? It was a good treaty. We could fly over Russia and Russia could fly over the U.S. Our satellite surveillance kind of makes the treaty a losing proposition for us. Our satellites are more advanced than Russia. I could see pulling out, as it's sort of an outdated treaty, in regards to us watching them. Trump was most likely advised of this by the military, and was just following the recommendation. Even in what's released to our media, you never here of any new discoveries of activity being found by overflight, it's always satellite.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 13:09:39 GMT -5
With the use of satellites now. Just how much do we need to rely on fly over missions? What's wrong with having both? Our satellites were able to see what was going on back in 1992 yet the treaty was signed.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 14:16:33 GMT -5
Not all angles can be covered by satellite...
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Post by busymom on Oct 9, 2019 14:23:30 GMT -5
It was a good treaty. We could fly over Russia and Russia could fly over the U.S. Our satellite surveillance kind of makes the treaty a losing proposition for us. Our satellites are more advanced than Russia. I could see pulling out, as it's sort of an outdated treaty, in regards to us watching them. Trump was most likely advised of this by the military, and was just following the recommendation. Even in what's released to our media, you never here of any new discoveries of activity being found by overflight, it's always satellite. Name me the last time he actually followed the advice of US military leadership. He seems to make a lot of decisions that blindside them. Because, even though he's never served, he thinks he's smarter than any general...
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 15:23:07 GMT -5
It was a good treaty. We could fly over Russia and Russia could fly over the U.S. Our satellite surveillance kind of makes the treaty a losing proposition for us. Our satellites are more advanced than Russia. I could see pulling out, as it's sort of an outdated treaty, in regards to us watching them. Trump was most likely advised of this by the military, and was just following the recommendation. Even in what's released to our media, you never here of any new discoveries of activity being found by overflight, it's always satellite. If you want military type news...read the military publications...they are on line too...most of them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 9, 2019 15:27:05 GMT -5
I honestly don't think he's smart enough to be working for Putin. I think he sees something without his name on it and gets rid of it so he can put something with his name on it in it's place. His massive ego benefiting Putin is just icing on the cake for the Russian leader.
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Post by phil5185 on Oct 9, 2019 16:46:48 GMT -5
Eisenhower first proposed the treaty in the mid 1950s, that is the technology that was in place when the treaty was conceptualized.
In today's world, our satellites and our high-resolution equipment make the need for an airplane flyovers unhelpful. Ten or 20 years ago, when the US and Russia were jointly de-commissioning equipment, both countries chopped the wings off of bombers and placed them in an open field so that they could be inspected from satellites (ours were/are in Tucson). Both countries had the satellite technology at that time - and the resolution has greatly improved since that time.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 19:00:44 GMT -5
With the use of satellites now. Just how much do we need to rely on fly over missions? What's wrong with having both? Our satellites were able to see what was going on back in 1992 yet the treaty was signed. Lets see Clinton was in when that was signed good enough reason for me to get out of it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 19:22:59 GMT -5
What's wrong with having both? Our satellites were able to see what was going on back in 1992 yet the treaty was signed. Lets see Clinton was in when that was signed good enough reason for me to get out of it. What ever are you going to do when trump is out of office and a Democrat is elected president and overturns all of trump's terrible decisions. There will ge hundreds of Executive Orders just waiting to be signed by the democratic president on his first day in office.
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Post by ednkris on Oct 9, 2019 19:27:10 GMT -5
Lets see Clinton was in when that was signed good enough reason for me to get out of it. What ever are you going to do when trump is out of office and a Democrat is elected president and overturns all of trump's terrible decisions. There will ge hundreds of Executive Orders just waiting to be signed by the democratic president on his first day in office. That will be his privilege to do so. Then again that will be in 5 years maybe more after all with all the great leadership of Trump it may be a while before a Dem fills that seat again
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 9, 2019 20:13:07 GMT -5
What ever are you going to do when trump is out of office and a Democrat is elected president and overturns all of trump's terrible decisions. There will ge hundreds of Executive Orders just waiting to be signed by the democratic president on his first day in office. That will be his privilege to do so. Then again that will be in 5 years maybe more after all with all the great leadership of Trump it may be a while before a Dem fills that seat again Maybe January 20, 2021.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 9, 2019 20:26:13 GMT -5
I honestly don't think he's smart enough to be working for Putin. I think he sees something without his name on it and gets rid of it so he can put something with his name on it in it's place. His massive ego benefiting Putin is just icing on the cake for the Russian leader. Maybe not, but even an idjit can take orders
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 9, 2019 20:35:50 GMT -5
Not all angles can be covered by satellite... Especially since, unlike planes you can't just change their direction (orbit) as you please. But that seems to be too hard a concept to consider
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 9, 2019 22:21:59 GMT -5
Not all angles can be covered by satellite... Especially since, unlike planes you can't just change their direction (orbit) as you please. But that seems to be too hard a concept to consider How do you know that?
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 9, 2019 22:31:39 GMT -5
Especially since, unlike planes you can't just change their direction (orbit) as you please. But that seems to be too hard a concept to consider How do you know that? Have you ever tried to make a satellite go all the way around something...like maybe a mountain, to see all sides, to see all angles, to see what may be covered up so it won't be as noticeable? The flyovers are used for other things than just military stuff too...like what crops are being grown & in what quantity...what equipment is being used for farm work...planting/harvesting. It gives us info that can be used in all kinds of ways including in trade.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 9, 2019 22:33:41 GMT -5
How many spy satellites does the U.S. have?
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Post by tallguy on Oct 9, 2019 22:48:41 GMT -5
What's wrong with having both? Our satellites were able to see what was going on back in 1992 yet the treaty was signed. Lets see Clinton was in when that was signed good enough reason for me to get out of it. You should probably check your facts. And your history. Knowing you won't, though.... The idea was originally proposed by Dwight Eisenhower in 1955. It was revived by George Bush in 1989 and signed in March, 1992. Clinton was elected in November, 1992 and took office in January, 1993. The treaty went into effect in 2002 after Russia and Belarus ratified it. George W. Bush was president then. Tell us again what part Clinton played and why he is the reason it should be dumped.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 9, 2019 23:26:25 GMT -5
Especially since, unlike planes you can't just change their direction (orbit) as you please. But that seems to be too hard a concept to consider How do you know that? Satellite orbital performance is part of how I make a living
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 9, 2019 23:49:34 GMT -5
Canada is part of the Open Skies Treaty. If we see anything suspicious, we sure as fuck won't tell you. The USA CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
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Post by dezii on Oct 10, 2019 1:00:48 GMT -5
Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treatyThe Trump administration is expected to soon announce that it plans to exit the "Open Skies" treaty, a US official tells CNN, a move that has already drawn condemnation from Democrats in Congress. The decision to leave the treaty -- which was signed in 1992 and went into effect in 2002 and allows 34 member states to conduct unarmed surveillance flights over one another's territories -- could affect the American military's ability to conduct aerial surveillance of Russia and other member countries. The treaty is used to help verify arms control agreements, according to the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency, part of the Defense Department. According to the State Department, the treaty "is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information through aerial imaging on military forces and activities of concern to them." This would be the latest major international treaty the administration has abandoned. In August the US formally withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia, ending a landmark arms control pact that has limited the development of ground-based missiles with a range of 500 to 5,500 kilometers. Analysts fear the developments are likely to prompt a new and dangerous arms race with Moscow and CNN has reported the US military is set to test a new non-nuclear mobile-launched cruise missile developed specifically to challenge Russia in Europe. Full article here: Trump administration expected to announce exit from 'Open Skies' treaty So Russia can no longer over fly the US for surveillance purposes ? This is bad ? Cold war is over I believe....and treaty allowed us to fly over Russia, big, big country.......keep our spies home...also there are satellites...understand they are quite effective...
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 10, 2019 7:58:44 GMT -5
Satellite orbital performance is part of how I make a living Cool!!!
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