REVEALED: leaker leaked to Schiff prior to "complaint"

[thyme4change]

It sounds like the Whistleblower was trying to handle this more discretely by not filing an official report. He was not trying to get Trump impeached, just trying to get someone to stop him from doing it again. He didn't file the report until he realized he was going to be outted. The formal complaint is the only way for him to protect himself.

[steff]

Rumors are flying that Rick Perry, who spoke with the Ukrainian President on 3 different occasions a the behest of the resident in the white house, is in the process of announcing his resignation effective next month (or sooner depending on how deep he's involved). 

[tallguy]

Oct 3, 2019 18:58:47 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Rudy rips Shifty Schiff for fabricating "evidence"
theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/02/rudy-giuliani-rips-chairman-schiff-and-committee-staff-for-manufacturing-impeachment-evidence/

Rudy has no more credibility than Trump.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 3, 2019 20:47:16 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Oct 3, 2019 18:58:47 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Rudy rips Shifty Schiff for fabricating "evidence"
theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/02/rudy-giuliani-rips-chairman-schiff-and-committee-staff-for-manufacturing-impeachment-evidence/

Rudy has no more credibility than Trump.  

No more, no less. I think the sticking point here is going to be how much credibility Trump, who has been right about everything, has. i'm sure you don't see it that way-- but I have a VERY long memory, so I still remember when they were saying he had no intention of winning- that he was doing it all as a publicity stunt for a new media venture. I still remember when they said there was no way he could get the nomination. I remember when Ted Cruz (my original candidate of choice, I admit) blamed Democrat violence at the Trump rally in Chicago-- on Trump. I remember when they were saying there was going to be a delegate fight. I remember when they said Trump had no path to 270 electoral votes and I remember the day of the election when FiveThirtyEight said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning the election. I remember when they said he might lose Georgia, or even Texas. I remember it all- I've actually cataloged everything I can think of-- from the more obscure hoaxes like The New York Times lying about Rowanne Brewer Lane and standing by the story to the infamous "Fine People Hoax" to the "Obama tapped my wires" (TRUE- Trump was correct) freak out-- you name it, I've got it all. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 3, 2019 19:22:27 GMT -5 steff said:

Rumors are flying that Rick Perry, who spoke with the Ukrainian President on 3 different occasions a the behest of the resident in the white house, is in the process of announcing his resignation effective next month (or sooner depending on how deep he's involved). 

If the story is even true- and so far, nothing has been right on this latest bullshit hoax-- Rick Perry is pretty swampy. I certainly don't trust him. Like Bolton- I've got to wonder what the hell some people are even doing there? I keep coming up with the answer that Washington is so thoroughly corrupt that you can't even run a skeleton crew without some swamp dwellers. 

[tallguy]

Oct 3, 2019 21:01:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 3, 2019 20:47:16 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Rudy has no more credibility than Trump.  

No more, no less. I think the sticking point here is going to be how much credibility Trump, who has been right about everything, has. i'm sure you don't see it that way-- but I have a VERY long memory, so I still remember when they were saying he had no intention of winning- that he was doing it all as a publicity stunt for a new media venture. I still remember when they said there was no way he could get the nomination. I remember when Ted Cruz (my original candidate of choice, I admit) blamed Democrat violence at the Trump rally in Chicago-- on Trump. I remember when they were saying there was going to be a delegate fight. I remember when they said Trump had no path to 270 electoral votes and I remember the day of the election when FiveThirtyEight said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning the election. I remember when they said he might lose Georgia, or even Texas. I remember it all- I've actually cataloged everything I can think of-- from the more obscure hoaxes like The New York Times lying about Rowanne Brewer Lane and standing by the story to the infamous "Fine People Hoax" to the "Obama tapped my wires" (TRUE- Trump was correct) freak out-- you name it, I've got it all. 

You wiill forgive me if I don't put a lot of stock into your response or your memory, not to mention your cataloging skills.

From FiveThirtyEight:

Based on what most of us would have thought possible a year or two ago, the election of Donald Trump was one of the most shocking events in American political history. But it shouldn’t have been that much of a surprise based on the polls — at least if you were reading FiveThirtyEight. Given the historical accuracy of polling and where each candidate’s support was distributed, the polls showed a race that was both fairly close and highly uncertain.



This isn’t just a case of hindsight bias. It’s tricky to decide what tone to take in an article like this one — after all, we had Hillary Clinton favored. But one of the reasons to build a model — perhaps the most important reason — is to measure uncertainty and to account for risk. If polling were perfect, you wouldn’t need to do this. And we took weeks of abuse from people who thought we overrated Trump’s chances. For most of the presidential campaign, FiveThirtyEight’s forecast gave Trump much better odds than other polling-based models. Our final forecast, issued early Tuesday evening, had Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College.1 By comparison, other models tracked by The New York Times put Trump’s odds at: 15 percent, 8 percent, 2 percent and less than 1 percent. 

Why FiveThirtyEight Gave Trump A Better Chance Than Almost Anyone Else

Even the Trump campaign itself put their candidate’s chances at 30 percent, right about where FiveThirtyEight had him.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_

BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House,where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled

[billisonboard]

Oct 3, 2019 21:54:58 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_

BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House,where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled

I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters. 

[Tennesseer]

The whistleblower is an American hero.

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 3, 2019 22:03:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The whistleblower is an American hero.

And a genuine patriot

[djAdvocate]

Oct 3, 2019 21:28:26 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Oct 3, 2019 21:01:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

No more, no less. I think the sticking point here is going to be how much credibility Trump, who has been right about everything, has. i'm sure you don't see it that way-- but I have a VERY long memory, so I still remember when they were saying he had no intention of winning- that he was doing it all as a publicity stunt for a new media venture. I still remember when they said there was no way he could get the nomination. I remember when Ted Cruz (my original candidate of choice, I admit) blamed Democrat violence at the Trump rally in Chicago-- on Trump. I remember when they were saying there was going to be a delegate fight. I remember when they said Trump had no path to 270 electoral votes and I remember the day of the election when FiveThirtyEight said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning the election. I remember when they said he might lose Georgia, or even Texas. I remember it all- I've actually cataloged everything I can think of-- from the more obscure hoaxes like The New York Times lying about Rowanne Brewer Lane and standing by the story to the infamous "Fine People Hoax" to the "Obama tapped my wires" (TRUE- Trump was correct) freak out-- you name it, I've got it all. 

You wiill forgive me if I don't put a lot of stock into your response or your memory, not to mention your cataloging skills.

From FiveThirtyEight:

Based on what most of us would have thought possible a year or two ago, the election of Donald Trump was one of the most shocking events in American political history. But it shouldn’t have been that much of a surprise based on the polls — at least if you were reading FiveThirtyEight. Given the historical accuracy of polling and where each candidate’s support was distributed, the polls showed a race that was both fairly close and highly uncertain.



This isn’t just a case of hindsight bias. It’s tricky to decide what tone to take in an article like this one — after all, we had Hillary Clinton favored. But one of the reasons to build a model — perhaps the most important reason — is to measure uncertainty and to account for risk. If polling were perfect, you wouldn’t need to do this. And we took weeks of abuse from people who thought we overrated Trump’s chances. For most of the presidential campaign, FiveThirtyEight’s forecast gave Trump much better odds than other polling-based models. Our final forecast, issued early Tuesday evening, had Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College.1 By comparison, other models tracked by The New York Times put Trump’s odds at: 15 percent, 8 percent, 2 percent and less than 1 percent. 

Why FiveThirtyEight Gave Trump A Better Chance Than Almost Anyone Else

Even the Trump campaign itself put their candidate’s chances at 30 percent, right about where FiveThirtyEight had him.

the average of the prognosticators was about 60%.

the NYT had him at 98%, which was, indeed, totally stupid.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 3, 2019 22:00:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 3, 2019 21:54:58 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_

BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House,where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled

I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters. 

and Trump has confirmed everything the whistleblower said.

so, I guess disgruntled registered Democrats and CIA analysts tell the truth. that is what logic dictates from the reply above.

[tallguy]

Oct 3, 2019 22:00:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 3, 2019 21:54:58 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters. 

Do you have a programmable keyboard where you only have to hit one key and that sentence comes out?  Seems like a worthwhile investment.  

[OldCoyote]

Oct 3, 2019 22:03:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The whistleblower is an American hero.

Wrong!!

The only true whistle blower HERO would be Edward Snowden,, Who showed the World what a liar Brennen was, under Oath, before Congress!!

[djAdvocate]

Oct 3, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oct 3, 2019 22:03:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The whistleblower is an American hero.

Wrong!!

The only true whistle blower HERO would be Edward Snowden

I have mixed feelings about Snowden, but I have no mixed feelings about the whistleblower.

and Snowden is not the "only" hero. DeepThroat was a hero. and so was Mike Gravel, imo.

[dondub]

Daniel Ellsberg tops my list.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 3, 2019 23:03:24 GMT -5 dondub said:

Daniel Ellsberg tops my list.

good catch.

and we are just talking about the non-military ones.

then there is the Fresh Prince Of Bonespurs.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 3, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oct 3, 2019 22:03:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The whistleblower is an American hero.

Wrong!!

The only true whistle blower HERO would be Edward Snowden,, Who showed the World what a liar Brennen was, under Oath, before Congress!!

What DJ said.

[dondub]

Oct 3, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oct 3, 2019 22:03:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The whistleblower is an American hero.

Wrong!!

The only true whistle blower HERO would be Edward Snowden,, Who showed the World what a liar Brennen was, under Oath, before Congress!!

Wrong.

[billisonboard]

Oct 3, 2019 22:39:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Oct 3, 2019 22:00:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters. 

Do you have a programmable keyboard where you only have to hit one key and that sentence comes out?  Seems like a worthwhile investment.  

Copied onto the clipboard on my tablet.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 3, 2019 23:24:58 GMT -5 dondub said:

Oct 3, 2019 22:56:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Wrong!!

The only true whistle blower HERO would be Edward Snowden,, Who showed the World what a liar Brennen was, under Oath, before Congress!!

Wrong.

Snowden is how we learned the NSA is spying on all Americans all the time. He’s how we learned Brennan and Clapper committed perjury before Congress.

Compare Snowden when you consider that lIterally everything about the Ukraine story is false:

1) The transcript shows Trump wants Ukraine's help with the investigation on the origins of the Russia Hoax. Nothing to do with 2020. Trump and the American people are the crime victims here. Trump wants to get to the bottom of it.

2) Biden was part of the Russia Hoax (the crime). His family was also getting rich from corruption in the Ukraine, which was Ground Zero for the Russia Hoax. The previous Ukraine regime was openly working with Team Obama-Clinton to dig up dirt on Team Trump in 2016 -- which is how they came up with Manafort. Yes, Trump is a candidate in 2020. But he's also President and America's chief law enforcement official. Biden is not exempt from scrutiny just because he might end up running against Trump. If what Biden was doing there was legal and ethical, he should have no worries about it. He should welcome the review.

3) It was never in the cards Biden would be the 2020 nominee anyway. Warren's been the odds-on favorite for months. If Trump were really abusing his power for 2020 reelection purposes, he would be targeting Warren, not Biden. Trump would much rather run against senile Biden than mentally-sharp Warren.

4) Trump did not engage in any cover up. He released the transcript immediately after the so-called "whistleblower" complaint became known. He also allowed this fake "whistleblower" complaint to be released -- even though the complaint is replete with provable errors and is based on rumor and gossip (no first hand info).

5) It's perfectly appropriate for Barr and the DOJ to work with Australia and other countries to get to the bottom of the origins of Russia Hoax . . . or any other crime. We have agreements with all these countries to cooperate in law enforcement investigations.

6) Trump did not go to extra lengths to hide his conversation with the Ukraine leader by having the transcript of the call stored on a special top secret server, unique to this conversation. This is how all the President's conversations with foreign leaders are stored. Obama had the same policy. The President's phone conversations with foreign leaders are always classified as top secret, unless the President chooses to classify them otherwise. This is just standard operating procedure for all Presidents. No cover-up here whatsoever.

[dondub]

Lots of verbiage there that I might read later if I’m bored.

My “wrong” was about OC’s comment that Snowden was the ‘only’ hero. There have been others, especially Ellsberg.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

WaPo gives Shifty Schiff Four Pinocchios for his false whistleblower claim: 

Schiff told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to.”

dailycaller.com/2019/10/04/washington-post-gives-schiff-four-pinocchios-whistleblower-claim/?fbclid=IwAR2v353SDqwH7Qid7u2g5w3VDwNefOJkhj4o5NsZGlQBQ-ZyjWqWujgNtLw

[djAdvocate]

Oct 4, 2019 10:34:29 GMT -5 dondub said:

Lots of verbiage there that I might read later if I’m bored.

My “wrong” was about OC’s comment that Snowden was the ‘only’ hero. There have been others, especially Ellsberg.

to save time, you can just go to the first 7 words of point #2.

that is where I stopped reading.....

[dondub]

As I see it no one can rival the level of tainted innuendo, downright false allegations, massively incorrect political prognostications, blatantly wrong medical prognosis and bizarre conspiracy theories.

If he owned a rooster it would crow each morning a very robust whack-a-doodle-doo-doo.

[billisonboard]

Oct 4, 2019 11:05:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

WaPo gives Shifty Schiff Four Pinocchios for his false whistleblower claim: 

Schiff told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to.”

dailycaller.com/2019/10/04/washington-post-gives-schiff-four-pinocchios-whistleblower-claim/?fbclid=IwAR2v353SDqwH7Qid7u2g5w3VDwNefOJkhj4o5NsZGlQBQ-ZyjWqWujgNtLw

I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Bob Guzzardi - “Here's the kicker," he began in his sixth post. "Under House Intelligence Committee rules, any classified info brought to the committee from outside sources MUST BE SHARED WITH BOTH SIDES. “Schiff broke committee rules by not telling committee GOP members about this," he said.”

www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fleitz-ukraine-schiff-whistleblower/2019/10/02/id/935382/?fbclid=IwAR1RT4T6UKim-PsU8ob-NvTvVz7AYSwTxODfrnrvxaW-Lv5BhmxZSR1ui-w

[Tennesseer]

As of August 12, 2019 from the Washington Post

President Trump has made 12,019 false or misleading claims over 928 days

I have to wonder how many Pinocchios trump has earned. At least one for each of his 12,019 false claims.

As Billisonboard states, "I think that President Trump's behavior is what matters."

[NastyWoman]

Oct 3, 2019 21:01:18 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 3, 2019 20:47:16 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Rudy has no more credibility than Trump.  

No more, no less. I think the sticking point here is going to be how much credibility Trump, who has been right about everything, has. i'm sure you don't see it that way-- but I have a VERY long memory, so I still remember when they were saying he had no intention of winning- that he was doing it all as a publicity stunt for a new media venture. I still remember when they said there was no way he could get the nomination. I remember when Ted Cruz (my original candidate of choice, I admit) blamed Democrat violence at the Trump rally in Chicago-- on Trump. I remember when they were saying there was going to be a delegate fight. I remember when they said Trump had no path to 270 electoral votes and I remember the day of the election when FiveThirtyEight said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning the election. I remember when they said he might lose Georgia, or even Texas. I remember it all- I've actually cataloged everything I can think of-- from the more obscure hoaxes like The New York Times lying about Rowanne Brewer Lane and standing by the story to the infamous "Fine People Hoax" to the "Obama tapped my wires" (TRUE- Trump was correct) freak out-- you name it, I've got it all. 

Well, it is kind of hard to fall below zero percent in the credibility department

[thyme4change]

Oct 4, 2019 11:05:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

WaPo gives Shifty Schiff Four Pinocchios for his false whistleblower claim: 

Schiff told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to.”

dailycaller.com/2019/10/04/washington-post-gives-schiff-four-pinocchios-whistleblower-claim/?fbclid=IwAR2v353SDqwH7Qid7u2g5w3VDwNefOJkhj4o5NsZGlQBQ-ZyjWqWujgNtLw

The daily caller quoting the Washington Post which was talking about a MSNBC newscast. Lol. How we get news today is weird. I've thought this a lot when CNN has the banner that another source is saying XYZ.