It Is Now Illegal To Call Some Illegal!

[OldCoyote]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/you-can-now-be-fined-up-to-dollar250000-if-you-call-someone-an-illegal-alien-in-new-york-city/ar-AAI6uWh?ocid=spartandhp

Hmmm, You can call the President of the U.S. a MF,, but by God you had better not call some one an illegal alien!!

[dondub]

Don’t do it then. See how easy that is.

[andi9899]

Did you miss the "with the intent to demean, humiliate, or harrass" part of the sentence in the article?

[djAdvocate]

so, it is illegal to demean and harass someone?

Trump is going to have a lot more hours in his day if he follows that law.

[andi9899]

Guess he'll have to give up some executive time then.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2019 10:41:24 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Did you miss the "with the intent to demean, humiliate, or harrass" part of the sentence in the article?

You should know by now the poster only reads article titles and not the article content itself.

[sesfw]

Several years ago a friend said there are no 'illegals', just 'undocumented'

Besides the spelling, what is the difference?

I carry documentation with me all the time ............ it's called a drivers license 

[Gardening Grandma]

A driver’s license does not prove citizenship.  Unless it’s an enhanced DL

[mmhmm]

Oct 1, 2019 11:00:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 1, 2019 10:41:24 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Did you miss the "with the intent to demean, humiliate, or harrass" part of the sentence in the article?

You should know by now the poster only reads article titles and not the article content itself.

The thread isn't about the poster. Please, stick to  the subject under discussion. Thanks.

mmhmm, Administrator

[swamp]

Oct 1, 2019 20:41:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Several years ago a friend said there are no 'illegals', just 'undocumented'

Besides the spelling, what is the difference?

I carry documentation with me all the time ............ it's called a drivers license 

You don't have to be a citizen to have a drivers license.  

[dondub]

You don’t have to have a driver’s license to be a citizen.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 2, 2019 13:39:44 GMT -5 dondub said:

You don’t have to have a driver’s license to be a citizen.

Better yet, you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license. And I should know since I have one...

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2019 20:41:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Several years ago a friend said there are no 'illegals', just 'undocumented'

Besides the spelling, what is the difference?

I carry documentation with me all the time ............ it's called a drivers license 

so do "illegals" in some states.

there is your answer.

[sesfw]

I still want to know the difference between 'undocumented' and 'illegal' besides the spelling.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 3, 2019 20:34:56 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I still want to know the difference between 'undocumented' and 'illegal' besides the spelling.

and I think I (and others) have answered that. you can be illegal with or without documents.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 2, 2019 20:57:07 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 2, 2019 13:39:44 GMT -5 dondub said:

You don’t have to have a driver’s license to be a citizen.

Better yet, you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license. And I should know since I have one...

But you should have to be in this country legally to get one.  I wonder how many other countries are willing to give illegals drivers licenses.  

[weltschmerz]

Oct 2, 2019 20:57:07 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 2, 2019 13:39:44 GMT -5 dondub said:

You don’t have to have a driver’s license to be a citizen.

Better yet, you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license. And I should know since I have one...

I had one, too! I was a Canadian citizen then, not American.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 10, 2019 14:21:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 2, 2019 20:57:07 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Better yet, you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license. And I should know since I have one...

But you should have to be in this country legally to get one.  I wonder how many other countries are willing to give illegals drivers licenses.  

That was not were this comment came from. It came from SESF claiming that she always had her ID on her proving that she is a US citizen. She then followed up with saying the ID she had on her was her DL. Now go back to the comments from others and the one from me above...

And since the law requires that a person who is here on a permanent visa (aka green card) have that visa on him/her at all times, I can actually proof that I am here legally at any time, unlike the vast majority of US citizens who don't walk around with a federally issued ID at all times (nor are they required by law to do so). Yet, chances are better than even that for instance andi9899 is asked for her ID than that I, a caucasian -on the wrong side of middle age- woman, am.

[andi9899]

Oct 10, 2019 16:06:33 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 10, 2019 14:21:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

But you should have to be in this country legally to get one.  I wonder how many other countries are willing to give illegals drivers licenses.  

That was not were this comment came from. It came from SESF claiming that she always had her ID on her proving that she is a US citizen. She hen floowed up with saying the ID she had on her was her DL. Now go back to the comments from others and the one from me above...

And since the law requires that a person who is here on a permanent visa (aka green card) have that visa on him/her at all times, I can actually proof that I am here legally at any time, unlike the vast majority of US citizens who don't walk around with a federally issued ID at all times (nor are they repquired by law to do so). Yet, chances are better than even that for instance andi9899 is asked for her ID than that I, a caucasian -on the wrong side of middle age- woman, am.

Asked for ID, followed around stores by employees thinking I'm stealing, asked by random strangers if I speak English. Constantly asked where I'm from. The list goes on and on.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 10, 2019 17:18:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Oct 10, 2019 16:06:33 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

That was not were this comment came from. It came from SESF claiming that she always had her ID on her proving that she is a US citizen. She hen floowed up with saying the ID she had on her was her DL. Now go back to the comments from others and the one from me above...

And since the law requires that a person who is here on a permanent visa (aka green card) have that visa on him/her at all times, I can actually proof that I am here legally at any time, unlike the vast majority of US citizens who don't walk around with a federally issued ID at all times (nor are they repquired by law to do so). Yet, chances are better than even that for instance andi9899 is asked for her ID than that I, a caucasian -on the wrong side of middle age- woman, am.

Asked for ID, followed around stores by employees thinking I'm stealing, asked by random strangers if I speak English. Constantly asked where I'm from. The list goes on and on.

Exactly what I was talking about! Want to know how often I had this happen to me since I moved here in 1996? Zero times, as in never, not even once.  People realize that I was not born here due to my accent, but whenever it comes up in a discussion that I am not a US citizen they are more than just a little amazed.

[andi9899]

Oct 10, 2019 17:22:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 10, 2019 17:18:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Asked for ID, followed around stores by employees thinking I'm stealing, asked by random strangers if I speak English. Constantly asked where I'm from. The list goes on and on.

Exactly what I was talking about! Want to know how often I had this happen to me since I moved here in 1996? Zero times, as in never, not even once.  People realize that I was not born here due to my accent, but whenever it comes up in a discussion that I am not a US citizen they are more than just a little amazed.

I'm an American citizen and this happens to me all the time.

Then there's the lady that approached my uncle in the grocery store telling him he needed to go back to where he came from. Um, lady. He was born in KC. He was where he came from as he's lived in the same city his whole life. He speaks no Spanish and I don't believe he's ever been to Mexico. But he's brown, so he must be illegal.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 10, 2019 17:25:32 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Oct 10, 2019 17:22:16 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Exactly what I was talking about! Want to know how often I had this happen to me since I moved here in 1996? Zero times, as in never, not even once.  People realize that I was not born here due to my accent, but whenever it comes up in a discussion that I am not a US citizen they are more than just a little amazed.

I'm an American citizen and this happens to me all the time.

Then there's the lady that approached my uncle in the grocery store telling him he needed to go back to where he came from. Um, lady. He was born in KC. He was where he came from as he's lived in the same city his whole life. He speaks no Spanish and I don't believe he's ever been to Mexico. But he's brown, so he must be illegal.

I know you are which is why I tagged you as an example. 

That said, I hope you'll forgive me for pulling you into this discussion

[andi9899]

Oct 10, 2019 17:45:39 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Oct 10, 2019 17:25:32 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I'm an American citizen and this happens to me all the time.

Then there's the lady that approached my uncle in the grocery store telling him he needed to go back to where he came from. Um, lady. He was born in KC. He was where he came from as he's lived in the same city his whole life. He speaks no Spanish and I don't believe he's ever been to Mexico. But he's brown, so he must be illegal.

I know you are which is why I tagged you as an example. 

That said, I hope you'll forgive me for pulling you into this discussion

I know. It's cool. It's actually a subject I'm pretty passionate about if you guys haven't already noticed. I think if people educated themselves more than we wouldn't have such a divide in this country. Well, that and getting the current racist out of the WH.

[OldCoyote]

Oct 10, 2019 17:18:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Oct 10, 2019 16:06:33 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

That was not were this comment came from. It came from SESF claiming that she always had her ID on her proving that she is a US citizen. She hen floowed up with saying the ID she had on her was her DL. Now go back to the comments from others and the one from me above...

And since the law requires that a person who is here on a permanent visa (aka green card) have that visa on him/her at all times, I can actually proof that I am here legally at any time, unlike the vast majority of US citizens who don't walk around with a federally issued ID at all times (nor are they repquired by law to do so). Yet, chances are better than even that for instance andi9899 is asked for her ID than that I, a caucasian -on the wrong side of middle age- woman, am.

Asked for ID, followed around stores by employees thinking I'm stealing, asked by random strangers if I speak English. Constantly asked where I'm from. The list goes on and on.

Now you reminded me of an experience,

My BIL and I were walking around a store . sure enough , it seemed like half the employees were watching us,

When my BIL said loudly "You don't need to watch us, I'm an honest Mexican",,, suddenly all those employees found something else to do!!

[NastyWoman]

Oct 10, 2019 22:28:47 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oct 10, 2019 17:18:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Asked for ID, followed around stores by employees thinking I'm stealing, asked by random strangers if I speak English. Constantly asked where I'm from. The list goes on and on.

Now you reminded me of an experience,

My BIL and I were walking around a store . sure enough , it seemed like half the employees were watching us,

When my BIL said loudly "You don't need to watch us, I'm an honest Mexican",,, suddenly all those employees found something else to do!!

If true, you have once again made the argument for me. Racism on display. And the fact that you were with your BIL was probably a big reason why everyone was finding other things to do. This situation should really have opened your eyes but somehow I doubt that it did.

[OldCoyote]

I have never said there were no racist, Racism is alive and well on all sides!

The only argument I have is the extreme level that is way too far down,

Like suddenly,, you can not use an OK sign,, because a dozen hard core White Nationalist supposedly use it,,

So 329 million of the rest of us,, should not use to sign that means the every thing is good??

[OldCoyote]

Dear Mod please make up emoticon that is flipping off some one since it totally acceptable to do that, 

[dondub]

Oct 11, 2019 9:11:31 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I have never said there were no racist, Racism is alive and well on all sides!

The only argument I have is the extreme level that is way too far down,

Like suddenly,, you can not use an OK sign,, because a dozen hard core White Nationalist supposedly use it,,

So 329 million of the rest of us,, should not use to sign that means the every thing is good??

Oh stop it OC. You well know that it’s 👌to use the 👌sign as long as it’s for the 👌reasons.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2019 9:11:31 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I have never said there were no racist, Racism is alive and well on all sides!

The only argument I have is the extreme level that is way too far down,

Like suddenly,, you can not use an OK sign,, because a dozen hard core White Nationalist supposedly use it,,

So 329 million of the rest of us,, should not use to sign that means the every thing is good??

Argumentum ad populum

[OldCoyote]

Oct 11, 2019 10:16:25 GMT -5 dondub said:

Oct 11, 2019 9:11:31 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I have never said there were no racist, Racism is alive and well on all sides!

The only argument I have is the extreme level that is way too far down,

Like suddenly,, you can not use an OK sign,, because a dozen hard core White Nationalist supposedly use it,,

So 329 million of the rest of us,, should not use to sign that means the every thing is good??

Oh stop it OC. You well know that it’s 👌to use the 👌sign as long as it’s for the 👌reasons.

Waffling??