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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 30, 2019 15:35:27 GMT -5
Here we shall watch with wonder as a once influential national political party, consumed with rage and hate, destroy themselves.
I hereby declare with ontological certitude that impeachment is a hoax and will go nowhere and that Democrats will pay a very steep political price for this, their final stunt as a major political party with national influence.
The Democratic Party is over. It no longer exists. We're just waiting for the end of the death throes.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 30, 2019 15:41:39 GMT -5
You've been saying that for almost 20 years.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 30, 2019 15:41:51 GMT -5
Please compare and contrast the level of ontological certitude you felt when Hillary was six weeks from dying in 2016, compared to the Dem party dying in 2019?
Cause I just saw an interview with Clinton this weekend, and I have to say, she looked pretty spry for a dead woman.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 30, 2019 15:46:14 GMT -5
... impeachment is a hoax and will go nowhere ... Hey Paul, seeking some clarification on this. Are you meaning that: 1) there will be no inquiry (which seems to be happening now so can't see this being it) 2) that the inquiry will not lead to the drafting of Articles of Impeachment 3) that there will be no committee vote on such Articles 4) The Articles will be voted down 5) There will be no vote by the full House 6) The full House will not pass any Articles of Impeachment 7) The Senate will ignore the Articles and not hold a trial 8) The Senate will not vote to remove President Trump? Just struggling with "impeachment" = "hoax". Help me out here.
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 30, 2019 16:03:16 GMT -5
Is this the Red Tsunami Part Deux?
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Post by Opti on Sept 30, 2019 16:12:56 GMT -5
Seems to me the party of rage and hate is the Trump party. Which seems to be still alive. Only the party of Trump seems to have cornered the market on hate and rage. Who else on the planet tweets flames and insults to the degree he does?
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Post by mollyc on Sept 30, 2019 16:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Sept 30, 2019 16:14:56 GMT -5
I guess because the Republicans committed party suicide by letting Trump take over, they are looking to watch someone else fall? Misery loves company and all that.
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Post by dondub on Sept 30, 2019 16:22:07 GMT -5
Paul....I am heartened to have ontological proof that you support the asking of foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Whatever it takes, right, to destroy your political opponents. This is what fascists have done throughout time, the occasional beer hall putsch etc.
You are slavering over this treasonous swine dog of a POTUS and have lost whatever way you think you had. That others have joined you and fail to see this tiny toadstool of a man for the scam artist narcissist he really is has ruined you and the Repo-Con party for ever.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 30, 2019 16:36:47 GMT -5
Will the Democratic Party be buried next to the Republican party that died in 2016 when he became the party of Trump?
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 30, 2019 16:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 30, 2019 17:06:25 GMT -5
Hillary dead in two weeks: terminal Parkinson's disease.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 30, 2019 17:17:04 GMT -5
Hillary dead in two weeks: terminal Parkinson's disease. Trump dead in two weeks: friendly fire.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 30, 2019 17:30:15 GMT -5
Is this the Red Tsunami Part Deux? hopefully it will swallow and drown every rat in the swamp.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 30, 2019 17:32:35 GMT -5
Paul....I am heartened to have ontological proof that you support the asking of foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Whatever it takes, right, to destroy your political opponents. This is what fascists have done throughout time, the occasional beer hall putsch etc.
You are slavering over this treasonous swine dog of a POTUS and have lost whatever way you think you had. That others have joined you and fail to see this tiny toadstool of a man for the scam artist narcissist he really is has ruined you and the Repo-Con party for ever. as snarling as this post is, I happen to agree 100%.
the brand is poisoned eternally. this only ends one of two ways: the utter capitulation of democracy in the US or the complete implosion and possible rebirth of a better GOP.
for the sake of everyone in the world, let's hope for the latter.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 30, 2019 17:34:13 GMT -5
how is Susan Collins looking, dem? that is a rather key race, imo.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 30, 2019 17:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Sept 30, 2019 18:13:15 GMT -5
Paul....I am heartened to have ontological proof that you support the asking of foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Whatever it takes, right, to destroy your political opponents. This is what fascists have done throughout time, the occasional beer hall putsch etc.
You are slavering over this treasonous swine dog of a POTUS and have lost whatever way you think you had. That others have joined you and fail to see this tiny toadstool of a man for the scam artist narcissist he really is has ruined you and the Repo-Con party for ever. as snarling as this post is, I happen to agree 100%.
the brand is poisoned eternally. this only ends one of two ways: the utter capitulation of democracy in the US or the complete implosion and possible rebirth of a better GOP.
for the sake of everyone in the world, let's hope for the latter.
Of course I’m snarling when presented with that sort of posting and his recent one about destroying the Demo party anyway he can. Authoritarian chatter has met my opposition since 1968.🤬
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 30, 2019 18:13:16 GMT -5
Paul....I am heartened to have ontological proof that you support the asking of foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Whatever it takes, right, to destroy your political opponents. This is what fascists have done throughout time, the occasional beer hall putsch etc.
You are slavering over this treasonous swine dog of a POTUS and have lost whatever way you think you had. That others have joined you and fail to see this tiny toadstool of a man for the scam artist narcissist he really is has ruined you and the Repo-Con party for ever. as snarling as this post is, I happen to agree 100%.
the brand is poisoned eternally. this only ends one of two ways: the utter capitulation of democracy in the US or the complete implosion and possible rebirth of a better GOP.
for the sake of everyone in the world, let's hope for the latter.
I believe the Republican party will survive this ugly period. If the Democratic party survived being the party of slavery and the party of the KKK, so can the GOP. Not like the whigs, who realized how shitastic their President was, so they just disbanded the whole party and left him hanging. Lol. Great legacy.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 1, 2019 7:52:07 GMT -5
Paul....I am heartened to have ontological proof that you support the asking of foreign powers to interfere in our elections. Whatever it takes, right, to destroy your political opponents. This is what fascists have done throughout time, the occasional beer hall putsch etc.
You are slavering over this treasonous swine dog of a POTUS and have lost whatever way you think you had. That others have joined you and fail to see this tiny toadstool of a man for the scam artist narcissist he really is has ruined you and the Repo-Con party for ever. as snarling as this post is, I happen to agree 100%.
the brand is poisoned eternally. this only ends one of two ways: the utter capitulation of democracy in the US or the complete implosion and possible rebirth of a better GOP.
for the sake of everyone in the world, let's hope for the latter.
My theory is that the remaining conservative GOP members come out of the woodwork, announce that Trump was actually a dirty Dem plant all along (after all, Trump was a dem for decades, making campaign contributions to all the big dem players, right up until he decided to run for president.) For the conspiracy mongers among us, is it any stretch at all to imagine Trump as a brilliant Dem plant, insinuating himself into the GOP, then derailing the party into the Big Spender/Brown shirt Fascist party? And now Trump is secretly in his WH lair watching everything spin out of control, chuckling over his diet Coke, Skyping with Pelosi and Schumer about how he's managed to trash the GOP for at least the next ten years?
It's the only way forward I can see for the GOP - blame Trump on the Dems, and come raging back as the fiscally responsible, conservative party.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 1, 2019 8:57:57 GMT -5
Lol. I like the theory, but it has to be a long term plan. If they spring that on their base suddenly, they will feel as if they are being called fools, stooges that fell for a charlatan. That will hurt their feelings, and instead of saying "my bad" and laughing it off, they will rebel against the party. It takes 30 years (or more) to transform a party. Someone will get in there and push it in a certain direction, and as it becomes more popular, more and more leaders will jump on.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 1, 2019 10:06:18 GMT -5
Lol. I like the theory, but it has to be a long term plan. If they spring that on their base suddenly, they will feel as if they are being called fools, stooges that fell for a charlatan. That will hurt their feelings, and instead of saying "my bad" and laughing it off, they will rebel against the party. It takes 30 years (or more) to transform a party. Someone will get in there and push it in a certain direction, and as it becomes more popular, more and more leaders will jump on. There's still some 'anyone but Trump' GOPers who will come out of this looking good. Jeff Flake, for instance (who did a nice oped telling other GOPers that they still had time to salvage their careers, if they move quickly).
www.deseret.com/2019/9/30/20891319/3-key-quotes-from-jeff-flakes-washington-post-opinion-piece
I think the next 10 years of the GOP will be dominated by the Romneys and Flakes, those GOPers who left rather than participate in Trumpian government, or who dared to say no to Trump.
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Post by Pants on Oct 1, 2019 10:14:50 GMT -5
Lol. I like the theory, but it has to be a long term plan. If they spring that on their base suddenly, they will feel as if they are being called fools, stooges that fell for a charlatan. That will hurt their feelings, and instead of saying "my bad" and laughing it off, they will rebel against the party. It takes 30 years (or more) to transform a party. Someone will get in there and push it in a certain direction, and as it becomes more popular, more and more leaders will jump on. There's still some 'anyone but Trump' GOPers who will come out of this looking good. Jeff Flake, for instance (who did a nice oped telling other GOPers that they still had time to salvage their careers, if they move quickly).
www.deseret.com/2019/9/30/20891319/3-key-quotes-from-jeff-flakes-washington-post-opinion-piece
I think the next 10 years of the GOP will be dominated by the Romneys and Flakes, those GOPers who left rather than participate in Trumpian government, or who dared to say no to Trump.
Romney hasn't done shit.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 1, 2019 10:20:55 GMT -5
Flake didn't do much when he had the chance either.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 1, 2019 10:23:49 GMT -5
Lol. I like the theory, but it has to be a long term plan. If they spring that on their base suddenly, they will feel as if they are being called fools, stooges that fell for a charlatan. That will hurt their feelings, and instead of saying "my bad" and laughing it off, they will rebel against the party. It takes 30 years (or more) to transform a party. Someone will get in there and push it in a certain direction, and as it becomes more popular, more and more leaders will jump on. There's still some 'anyone but Trump' GOPers who will come out of this looking good. Jeff Flake, for instance (who did a nice oped telling other GOPers that they still had time to salvage their careers, if they move quickly).
www.deseret.com/2019/9/30/20891319/3-key-quotes-from-jeff-flakes-washington-post-opinion-piece
I think the next 10 years of the GOP will be dominated by the Romneys and Flakes, those GOPers who left rather than participate in Trumpian government, or who dared to say no to Trump.
That would be great. The crew needs a unifying message that isn't "Trump sucks". The R party got where it is because of the Christian Right told all the Christians that if they didn't vote GOP God would hate them. Republicans were libertarians before that. They are the ones that legalized abortion. They were low tax, low spend. I don't know if the party can get back to that. Or even if it wants to. To be libertarians, they would have to let anyone use any bathroom (the government shouldn't be involved in your toilet habits) and they would have to embrace this anti-war stance, which might happen, Globalism/free market is libertarian, and looking the other way when undocumented immigrants provide cheap labor would have to come back to life, state's rights have taken a beating and they would have to get religion out of government. That is a hugely different picture. They would have to start with a couple of those and see how far they can get.
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Post by bean29 on Oct 1, 2019 10:34:40 GMT -5
I think our best hope is the rise of a new party so that we have at least 3 viable parties. Then we can have the Party of Trump (I'm being nice, I was going to call them something else), The Conservative Republicans, the Blue Dog Dems, and the Liberal Dems.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 1, 2019 11:30:43 GMT -5
There's still some 'anyone but Trump' GOPers who will come out of this looking good. Jeff Flake, for instance (who did a nice oped telling other GOPers that they still had time to salvage their careers, if they move quickly).
www.deseret.com/2019/9/30/20891319/3-key-quotes-from-jeff-flakes-washington-post-opinion-piece
I think the next 10 years of the GOP will be dominated by the Romneys and Flakes, those GOPers who left rather than participate in Trumpian government, or who dared to say no to Trump.
Look at their votes, don't pay any attention to what they say. Words don't do much unless they back them up...neither have the guts to do that....talking about Mitt the twit & flakey Flake.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 1, 2019 11:59:26 GMT -5
I think our best hope is the rise of a new party so that we have at least 3 viable parties. Then we can have the Party of Trump (I'm being nice, I was going to call them something else), The Conservative Republicans, the Blue Dog Dems, and the Liberal Dems. I've been thinking about this more, and the reality is any future party will take into consideration what millennials want. If they wait 20 years, they will be catering to 50 year olds. Where should the millennials who aren't Trumpers, but also don't want Bernie style socialism go? If the Republicans really want to survive they have to find the people in that generation that are not being spoken to - and there are plenty of them. We talk about the college educated kids with student loans, and jobs that are "freelance", but what about the other 65% of that generation that isn't college educated, but can't get a job that will support a family. I don't know if fear of color and fear of gays will be enough to keep them. What is Flake going to do for them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 12:06:15 GMT -5
I think our best hope is the rise of a new party so that we have at least 3 viable parties. Then we can have the Party of Trump (I'm being nice, I was going to call them something else), The Conservative Republicans, the Blue Dog Dems, and the Liberal Dems. You listed 4, but I get it. I'm kind of wishing for a return of the more moderate middle two, that you listed. Going by the political partisan minefield that exists in most western style democracies/republics lately, worldwide, I'm not holding out for much hope.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2019 12:41:40 GMT -5
me neither. but I would prefer one good choice in a field of twenty to two bad ones in a field of two.
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