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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 14:53:17 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with whether it's the server's business, it has to do with keeping your kid safe. If your attitude, like Rukh's is " who cares, if they screw it up just don't go back" that's fine, it's your kid. Most people take their own health, and the health of their children, a lot more seriously than that depending on the seriousness of their reaction. That's why it is important, whether you use terms like sensitivity or allergy or not, to make it clear what needs to happen. There's a world of difference between "it shouldn't be on his plate" and "it can't be prepared in the same kitchen space as nuts". It's absolutely the server's business if you say "no nuts" and they bring no nuts, and then someone dies because the plate had no nuts on it but it was contaminated from other food in the kitchen, because they're going to end up sued. It's shocking to me that anyone thinks potentially killing someone is "none of their business". oh brother - I never made any such claims. I just mentioned that in passing as a potential consequence to the establishment if they are careless with honoring these kinds of requests. Not sure how many of you have worked in restaurants here - but either the restaurant is good about this and willing to accommodate allergies and has training/protocols for requests - or they don't. They may even say they do, think they do, try a little, and are sloppy. Or they can tell you they can't accommodate it, and that is that. Walking into a place that has no training and no protocols and asking for special accommodations isn't going to make a server able to do this for you. Your expectations that servers are sloppy about requests just because they were sloppy for someone else and nothing happened is naive.
And why more and more restaurants have disclaimers on the menus about cross-contamination. If they have nuts and you are severely allergic to nuts, they will make your food without nuts, but they aren't promising you anything. My expectation is that if you walk in and just say "no nuts please" because it's "none of their business that you have an allergy" is asking for trouble, and is reckless. Servers and other restaurant staff aren't the mind-readers you apparently wish they would be.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 21, 2019 14:56:29 GMT -5
To be more explicit with where I was trying to go with this - is that my opinion is the more people asking for allergy-related accommodation the better it would be for those who are allergic as the potential economic impact of not accommodating those people becomes greater.
Restaurants are accommodating people with allergies out of the goodness of their hearts. Really surprised that the economic angle is being ignored here on YM!
If turning away 1-2 parties a month due to not accommodating them mean protecting oneself's from millions in liability - common people, no is going to risk it to try to be nice!
If they are turning away multiple parties on a daily basis, that becomes more significant, and they may see the economic advantage to try to make those accommodations.
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Post by JustLurkin on Sept 21, 2019 14:59:15 GMT -5
If I say "no nuts" you should just assume it's allergy related. Let's be real, if you bring him nuts, and the grand mals start, our meal will be comp'd...as well the meal of all surrounding diners...you will also lose the business of everyone who approaches and sees an ambulance out front. As a business owner, you're going to have a bad night--train your staff accordingly.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 21, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -5
oh brother - I never made any such claims. I just mentioned that in passing as a potential consequence to the establishment if they are careless with honoring these kinds of requests. Not sure how many of you have worked in restaurants here - but either the restaurant is good about this and willing to accommodate allergies and has training/protocols for requests - or they don't. They may even say they do, think they do, try a little, and are sloppy. Or they can tell you they can't accommodate it, and that is that. Walking into a place that has no training and no protocols and asking for special accommodations isn't going to make a server able to do this for you. Your expectations that servers are sloppy about requests just because they were sloppy for someone else and nothing happened is naive.
And why more and more restaurants have disclaimers on the menus about cross-contamination. If they have nuts and you are severely allergic to nuts, they will make your food without nuts, but they aren't promising you anything. My expectation is that if you walk in and just say "no nuts please" because it's "none of their business that you have an allergy" is asking for trouble, and is reckless. Servers and other restaurant staff aren't the mind-readers you apparently wish they would be. are you paying any attention here? The point was that it isn't the servers business if you are allergic, sensitive, whatever. You were making it out to be important to delineate every detail! Tell them you are allergic by all means, mention life threatening if that applies. Sheesh - they don't need a philosophical treatise on your diagnoses -they just need to know what protocol to follow.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 15:07:23 GMT -5
To be more explicit with where I was trying to go with this - is that my opinion is the more people asking for allergy-related accommodation the better it would be for those who are allergic as the potential economic impact of not accommodating those people becomes greater.Restaurants are accommodating people with allergies out of the goodness of their hearts. Really surprised that the economic angle is being ignored here on YM! If turning away 1-2 parties a month due to not accommodating them mean protecting oneself's from millions in liability - common people, no is going to risk it to try to be nice! If they are turning away multiple parties on a daily basis, that becomes more significant, and they may see the economic advantage to try to make those accommodations. Except the vast majority of people are NOT asking for "allergy related accommodations", they're saying they're allergic, then asking for accommodations that are far less stringent than what actual allergy accommodations would be...because they aren't allergic and don't need such stringent accommodations. So 99 people walk in saying "I'm allergic to gluten, so give me the burger without the bun" when in fact they are not actually allergic to gluten (because they don't understand gluten allergy, or have celiacs which is not an allergy, or don't have anything more than a self-diagnosed issue). Then the 100th walks in and says "I'm allergic to gluten, can you accommodate that?" and the restaurant says "of course, our pleasure" and they serve a burger without a bun, but fries that have been in the same fryer as something with gluten, and the person gets sick or worse. Or do you honestly believe that the majority of people who are using "gluten allergy" as an excuse to get a custom order are asking about distinct fryers? You think the risk is "you might get turned away from a restaurant"...I think the risk is "you might get sick or die".
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 15:11:46 GMT -5
If I say "no nuts" you should just assume it's allergy related. Let's be real, if you bring him nuts, and the grand mals start, our meal will be comp'd...as well the meal of all surrounding diners... you will also lose the business of everyone who approaches and sees an ambulance out front. As a business owner, you're going to have a bad night--train your staff accordingly. Which is EXACTLY why it IS their business what the issue is. If you say "no nuts", I have no idea at all if the issue is you simply don't want nuts and I should leave them off the plate, if he has a sensitivity to it and I should switch up any utensils I've been using that might have had contact with nuts, or if I should go prepare his meal in a completely different area because being NEAR the nuts in the kitchen will kill him. Because I can do precisely what you actually SAY...not bring him nuts...and depending on his issue he could still have problems. Saying "no nuts" and assuming that someone is a mindreader who will understand where on the spectrum of "doesn't like the taste" to "being near them will kill him" is unreasonable.
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Post by oped on Sept 21, 2019 15:12:59 GMT -5
Dedicated fryers.
you think a server wants me to say, not an allergy but it will give me massive diarrhea, cause body inflammation and I’ll have to sleep it off... instead of saying I have a gluten allergy?
Are you saying anaphylactic reaction is the only thing that can be called an allergy?
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 15:18:03 GMT -5
Dedicated fryers. you think a server wants me to say, not an allergy but it will give me massive diarrhea, cause body inflammation and I’ll have to sleep it off... instead of saying I have a gluten allergy? Are you saying anaphylactic reaction is the only thing that can be called an allergy? I've already answered that, funny how I haven't mentioned the words anaphylactic once. I said you cannot have an allergic reaction to something that isn't an allergy. I'm shocked people don't understand this very obvious thing. I think if you have a sensitivity which means you need a dedicated fryer, you should say you have a sensitivity which means you need a dedicated fryer. It doesn't actually seem that difficult. Wait, I forgot, if hoops says you should just say the simple truth, the Thirst Squad has to find a way to advocate for being liars.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 21, 2019 15:24:19 GMT -5
To be more explicit with where I was trying to go with this - is that my opinion is the more people asking for allergy-related accommodation the better it would be for those who are allergic as the potential economic impact of not accommodating those people becomes greater.Restaurants are accommodating people with allergies out of the goodness of their hearts. Really surprised that the economic angle is being ignored here on YM! If turning away 1-2 parties a month due to not accommodating them mean protecting oneself's from millions in liability - common people, no is going to risk it to try to be nice! If they are turning away multiple parties on a daily basis, that becomes more significant, and they may see the economic advantage to try to make those accommodations. Except the vast majority of people are NOT asking for "allergy related accommodations", they're saying they're allergic, then asking for accommodations that are far less stringent than what actual allergy accommodations would be...because they aren't allergic and don't need such stringent accommodations. So 99 people walk in saying "I'm allergic to gluten, so give me the burger without the bun" when in fact they are not actually allergic to gluten (because they don't understand gluten allergy, or have celiacs which is not an allergy, or don't have anything more than a self-diagnosed issue). Then the 100th walks in and says "I'm allergic to gluten, can you accommodate that?" and the restaurant says "of course, our pleasure" and they serve a burger without a bun, but fries that have been in the same fryer as something with gluten, and the person gets sick or worse. Or do you honestly believe that the majority of people who are using "gluten allergy" as an excuse to get a custom order are asking about distinct fryers? You think the risk is "you might get turned away from a restaurant"...I think the risk is "you might get sick or die". You're just writing fiction now. For chapter 2: Those 99 people asked for nothing and threw the buns away. You think the fate of #100 is any different? He's now #1, but don't worry! His death will train the server for your dish.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 15:33:28 GMT -5
Except the vast majority of people are NOT asking for "allergy related accommodations", they're saying they're allergic, then asking for accommodations that are far less stringent than what actual allergy accommodations would be...because they aren't allergic and don't need such stringent accommodations. So 99 people walk in saying "I'm allergic to gluten, so give me the burger without the bun" when in fact they are not actually allergic to gluten (because they don't understand gluten allergy, or have celiacs which is not an allergy, or don't have anything more than a self-diagnosed issue). Then the 100th walks in and says "I'm allergic to gluten, can you accommodate that?" and the restaurant says "of course, our pleasure" and they serve a burger without a bun, but fries that have been in the same fryer as something with gluten, and the person gets sick or worse. Or do you honestly believe that the majority of people who are using "gluten allergy" as an excuse to get a custom order are asking about distinct fryers? You think the risk is "you might get turned away from a restaurant"...I think the risk is "you might get sick or die". You're just writing fiction now. For chapter 2: Those 99 people asked for nothing and threw the buns away. You think the fate of #100 is any different? He's now #1, but don't worry! His death will train the server for your dish. Yep, #100 dies, and your response when we brought this up pages ago in saying he should be specific in what he needs was 'who cares, if enough people just don't come back the restaurant will close'. I'm sure the families of all the people you think should die because nobody cares will take relief in knowing that after enough deaths or sicknesses the restaurant closed. I can't even imagine how you can take the stance that "who cares" if people have allergic reactions and die because you care more about the economics than people's lives. I have to imagine it's just a thirsty attempt at wanting to disagree with me for attention, even when my point of view is "we should do what we can to protect people with allergies in restaurants by not lying about them". Drink up!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 21, 2019 15:35:15 GMT -5
Get over yourself...
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Post by JustLurkin on Sept 21, 2019 15:38:16 GMT -5
For us, "no nuts" is "no nuts". No mind reading involved. You don't need to know the consequence, you need to be sure there are no nuts on the plate--there's no spectrum.
Yes, according to the allergist we went to, anaphylactic is the only thing considered to be an allergic reaction. Everything else is a sensitivity.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 15:46:11 GMT -5
For us, "no nuts" is "no nuts". No mind reading involved. You don't need to know the consequence, you need to be sure there are no nuts on the plate--there's no spectrum. Yes, according to the allergist we went to, anaphylactic is the only thing considered to be an allergic reaction. Everything else is a sensitivity. The problem is, the server has no idea that there's no mind reading involved, because as you can see on this thread, people just think "no nuts" is fine for multiple points on the spectrum. The server doesn't know if you're someone who says "no nuts" and wants no nuts on the plate, or says "no nuts" but actually means "preparing our plate near nuts will kill us". I get that people who are smart enough to simply say what they mean get annoyed, but I also understand that there are enough people out there NOT smart enough to say what they mean that it kind of ruins it for anyone who is. For example, if I go to a sandwich place and they say "what veggies do you want" and I say "everything except jalapenos"...it's annoying that they then say "do you want the bell peppers?" because in my mind.."yes, that's not a jalapeno, so clearly I do"...but I also understand that it probably came to that because enough people said "everything except jalapenos" then backtracked and said "actually no peppers at all". I'm annoyed because I said what I meant, but unless they know me personally, they have no idea if I"m someone who says what I mean, or someone who changes it to "no peppers at all". I do always appreciate the people who say stuff like that, then actually mean it though. And when it comes to life/death (nuts specifically, because I think we all know how serious that can be), it's not really reasonable to just assume what people mean, or to assume if an individual is someone who says exactly what they mean.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 21, 2019 16:03:00 GMT -5
For us, "no nuts" is "no nuts". No mind reading involved. You don't need to know the consequence, you need to be sure there are no nuts on the plate--there's no spectrum. Yes, according to the allergist we went to, anaphylactic is the only thing considered to be an allergic reaction. Everything else is a sensitivity. The problem is, the server has no idea that there's no mind reading involved, because as you can see on this thread, people just think "no nuts" is fine for multiple points on the spectrum. The server doesn't know if you're someone who says "no nuts" and wants no nuts on the plate, or says "no nuts" but actually means "preparing our plate near nuts will kill us". I get that people who are smart enough to simply say what they mean get annoyed, but I also understand that there are enough people out there NOT smart enough to say what they mean that it kind of ruins it for anyone who is. For example, if I go to a sandwich place and they say "what veggies do you want" and I say "everything except jalapenos"...it's annoying that they then say "do you want the bell peppers?" because in my mind.."yes, that's not a jalapeno, so clearly I do"...but I also understand that it probably came to that because enough people said "everything except jalapenos" then backtracked and said "actually no peppers at all". I'm annoyed because I said what I meant, but unless they know me personally, they have no idea if I"m someone who says what I mean, or someone who changes it to "no peppers at all". I do always appreciate the people who say stuff like that, then actually mean it though. And when it comes to life/death (nuts specifically, because I think we all know how serious that can be), it's not really reasonable to just assume what people mean, or to assume if an individual is someone who says exactly what they mean. That annoys you? You're very tightly-wound, aren't you?
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 21, 2019 16:11:29 GMT -5
The problem is, the server has no idea that there's no mind reading involved, because as you can see on this thread, people just think "no nuts" is fine for multiple points on the spectrum. The server doesn't know if you're someone who says "no nuts" and wants no nuts on the plate, or says "no nuts" but actually means "preparing our plate near nuts will kill us". I get that people who are smart enough to simply say what they mean get annoyed, but I also understand that there are enough people out there NOT smart enough to say what they mean that it kind of ruins it for anyone who is. For example, if I go to a sandwich place and they say "what veggies do you want" and I say "everything except jalapenos"...it's annoying that they then say "do you want the bell peppers?" because in my mind.."yes, that's not a jalapeno, so clearly I do"...but I also understand that it probably came to that because enough people said "everything except jalapenos" then backtracked and said "actually no peppers at all". I'm annoyed because I said what I meant, but unless they know me personally, they have no idea if I"m someone who says what I mean, or someone who changes it to "no peppers at all". I do always appreciate the people who say stuff like that, then actually mean it though. And when it comes to life/death (nuts specifically, because I think we all know how serious that can be), it's not really reasonable to just assume what people mean, or to assume if an individual is someone who says exactly what they mean. That annoys you? You're very tightly-wound, aren't you? I do have a very low threshold of annoyance when it comes to full grown adults dumber than my 3 year old.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 22, 2019 12:08:45 GMT -5
But they won't have a "full blown allergic reaction" if they're only sensitive and not allergic (ALLERGIC reaction). And the repercussions won't be equally severe, that's why the distinction between allergy and sensitivity. I think that's probably stillmovingforward's entire point right? That if your reaction is going to be super severe, they should treat that differently than someone who is likely to have a more mild reaction. If my son has nuts with his meal, his grand mals will begin. It's a sensitivity, not an allergy. It's none of the servers business, just bring us his chicken without it encrusted in nuts. At least the most recent time I returned his plate the waitress asked if he needed new chicken or a whole new plate (chicken only). I don't ever act like an ass at a restaurant, maybe because I too am in customer service. We actually leave the waitress alone as much as possible--we're more of a "bring us the food and go away" kind of table. Why would you even risk it, though? I can’t imagine taking such a risk as that. Ok, they gave you a chicken without the nuts but what about cross-contamination? I would never assume that someone working in a kitchen is going to know that what they are preparing can’t even be around anything made with nuts. And don’t most restaurants disclose that they have nuts in the kitchen so there is always a risk of cross-contamination? I know I’ve seen that on me is before. I don’t have allergies. When I’m low-carbing I will ask for things grilled instead of breaded. I will ask for replacements for potatoes, etc. if I had a true allergy where my life was at risk, I would not leave it up to someone in the kitchen to get it right
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 23, 2019 10:01:48 GMT -5
Dedicated fryers. you think a server wants me to say, not an allergy but it will give me massive diarrhea, cause body inflammation and I’ll have to sleep it off... instead of saying I have a gluten allergy? Are you saying anaphylactic reaction is the only thing that can be called an allergy? I try to spare them the gory details but I am very clear that I can not have gluten. Most are accommodating. Most of it is trial by error and google. My phone now fills in "gluten free?" as soon as I type "Is x food...." PS- sorry you got gluten-ed recently. It's the freaking worst. I found out about rice- by itself it's gluten free, but some places cook it in Chicken stock which could have gluten in it. Learned that one the hard way.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 23, 2019 10:12:11 GMT -5
Dedicated fryers. you think a server wants me to say, not an allergy but it will give me massive diarrhea, cause body inflammation and I’ll have to sleep it off... instead of saying I have a gluten allergy? Are you saying anaphylactic reaction is the only thing that can be called an allergy? I try to spare them the gory details but I am very clear that I can not have gluten. Most are accommodating. Most of it is trial by error and google. My phone now fills in "gluten free?" as soon as I type "Is x food...." PS- sorry you got gluten-ed recently. It's the freaking worst. I found out about rice- by itself it's gluten free, but some places cook it in Chicken stock which could have gluten in it. Learned that one the hard way. You sound like my friend. I have gotten to the point of punting restaurant choice to her, because she knows where we can eat where she will be safe. Until she did the elimination diet, our favorite restaurant was an Italian place...where they put a fabulous loaf of crusty homemade bread on each table. She used to get sooooo sick and it never dawned on her that the bread (and the pasta, or pizza) was the culprit.
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Post by oped on Sept 23, 2019 10:39:32 GMT -5
There is an app called gluten free near me that I use all the time when traveling. Found great places through there. Gfree friendly locals tend to also be sustainable and locally focused.
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 23, 2019 11:00:10 GMT -5
I try to spare them the gory details but I am very clear that I can not have gluten. Most are accommodating. Most of it is trial by error and google. My phone now fills in "gluten free?" as soon as I type "Is x food...." PS- sorry you got gluten-ed recently. It's the freaking worst. I found out about rice- by itself it's gluten free, but some places cook it in Chicken stock which could have gluten in it. Learned that one the hard way. You sound like my friend. I have gotten to the point of punting restaurant choice to her, because she knows where we can eat where she will be safe. Until she did the elimination diet, our favorite restaurant was an Italian place...where they put a fabulous loaf of crusty homemade bread on each table. She used to get sooooo sick and it never dawned on her that the bread (and the pasta, or pizza) was the culprit. I'm pretty fortunate in that my friends and family respect my dietary restrictions and defer to me and let me pick the restaurants or give me veto power. I love Indian food- I thought I'd be ok because they said that they used "chick pea flour". I was not ok. Not even a little bit. That attack lasted two days. I made the mistake of eliminating gluten before I started doctoring. You have to have gluten actively in your system for tests to be accurate. So I had to eat two slices of bread every night for 3 weeks leading up to my endoscope, then they rescheduled it at the last minute so I had to eat it every night for nearly 2 months. So every night I had to knowingly make myself sick so that they could get accurate test results. Glad your friend figured out the culprit.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 23, 2019 11:01:01 GMT -5
I wonder how common fake celiac actually is. I've met a couple people who have it, but I have met many more people who think it's a fake disease. It kinda reminds me of the idea that people choose to be gay because it's trendy or make up being raped. Most people don't want extra attention from adversity. It seems the skeptics are the bigger problem than people crying wolf. I have a friend who cannot have gluten. She gets a tremendous GI upset and needs to find a bathroom within 15 minutes of eating gluten. She did an elimination diet, and getting rid of gluten took care of 80% of her issues. Getting rid of eggs got rid of an additional 15%. The extra 5% of the problems she figures are contamination (and usually frying french fries along with crusted chicken many times is the culprit) However, she does not test positive for ANY of the tests available for gluten sensitivity. So while she has not 'officially' been diagnosed with celiac, getting rid of the gluten makes her life far less miserable. She does not say she has celiac, she says she just cannot have gluten. It is not an anaphalactic reaction like an allergy, but her gut's response to it is not unlike a celiac's (possibly without the ongoing destruction of celiac). That sounds more like what DH is/has. We call it an intolerance for gluten and dairy. He gets cramps and the runs with gluten. Dairy affects him less, he says; so his main focus at restaurants is the gluten.
He was told to cut out gluten and dairy by a previous doctor. It's been about 9 years now so I don't think he could add either back into his diet now.
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 23, 2019 11:01:06 GMT -5
There is an app called gluten free near me that I use all the time when traveling. Found great places through there. Gfree friendly locals tend to also be sustainable and locally focused. I'll download that now. I get serious food anxiety when we travel because it's always a crapshoot. Thanks.
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Post by sheilaincali on Sept 23, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -5
Beth- the longer I go without eating gluten the harder it hits me if I do accidently ingest some. Going GF cleared up about 75% of my issues but I still have problems a couple of times a week. My GI told me the next two food groups I'll need to try to eliminate to see if they are problems are Dairy and Fructose. I think it's the dairy- I can handle about one serving a day, if I have more than that I have problems.
I remember when your DH was first having problems and you posted about it back in the day.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 23, 2019 11:12:53 GMT -5
There is an app called gluten free near me that I use all the time when traveling. Found great places through there. Gfree friendly locals tend to also be sustainable and locally focused. Yeah, DH uses that too. We found a fabulous bar in Tomahawk that carried gluten free hamburger buns and had a dedicated fryer. At least 1 staff member has family with gluten problems so the kitchen is really aware of the issues. And the food was terrific. We'll definitely be back there next summer.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 23, 2019 11:32:56 GMT -5
There is an app called gluten free near me that I use all the time when traveling. Found great places through there. Gfree friendly locals tend to also be sustainable and locally focused. I'll download that now. I get serious food anxiety when we travel because it's always a crapshoot. Thanks. My friend travels a lot as part of both her job and she used to be crew chief of the hydroplane team. When they went to Qatar, she wound up taking a bunch of food she could eat. Locally, there are about a dozen restaurants she is comfortable eating at. Some are better than others.....
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Post by oped on Sept 23, 2019 13:03:26 GMT -5
Europe is way better. We were walking up a gorgeous hill on the small Aran island and there was a tiny cafe, barely more than a few tables in the yard, and she had gfree soup and bread.
It was coming home from Europe twice and getting majorly sick both times that made me finally do a major elimination diet. Even their norms have less gmo and less preservative.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 23, 2019 13:29:13 GMT -5
Europe is way better. We were walking up a gorgeous hill on the small Aran island and there was a tiny cafe, barely more than a few tables in the yard, and she had gfree soup and bread. It was coming home from Europe twice and getting majorly sick both times that made me finally do a major elimination diet. Even their norms have less gmo and less preservative. really hoping I did the code right for bold, via browser... anyway, yes. all of that last sentence is so true. personally, I can tell when I have been eating like a typical 12yo boy, because I feel like shit. convenience foods are so full of garbage and preservatives. we would all be better off cooking scratch, although I know that is an unreasonable wish for myriad reasons. not the least of those is that many people even my age know how to do half the prep stuff people like countrygirl do on a daily basis. thankfully I learned the basics of cooking as a kid, because I am capable of preparing foods from fresh and frozen ingredients, without the need for processed crap. it's just when i am lazy or stressed that I reach for those things. sorry. end rant. 😳
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bookkeeper
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Post by bookkeeper on Sept 23, 2019 18:51:53 GMT -5
Europe is way better. We were walking up a gorgeous hill on the small Aran island and there was a tiny cafe, barely more than a few tables in the yard, and she had gfree soup and bread. It was coming home from Europe twice and getting majorly sick both times that made me finally do a major elimination diet. Even their norms have less gmo and less preservative. really hoping I did the code right for bold, via browser... anyway, yes. all of that last sentence is so true. personally, I can tell when I have been eating like a typical 12yo boy, because I feel like shit. convenience foods are so full of garbage and preservatives. we would all be better off cooking scratch, although I know that is an unreasonable wish for myriad reasons. not the least of those is that many people even my age know how to do half the prep stuff people like countrygirl do on a daily basis. thankfully I learned the basics of cooking as a kid, because I am capable of preparing foods from fresh and frozen ingredients, without the need for processed crap. it's just when i am lazy or stressed that I reach for those things. sorry. end rant. 😳 I was lazy and had a Rodeo Burger and fries yesterday. I felt the need to eat fries and the Rodeo Burger seemed like a perfect compliment. It was delicious and I had no adverse affects. I fall off the wagon occasionally, but I do try to limit eating out to once a week. The salt content in the food is evident in my fingers and joints. Once you stop eating the trigger foods, your body pretty much refuses to go back to the life you had before. Once I stopped eating salt, I really don't enjoy much prepared food, because it is just too salty for me. Fresh is best. We just try to eat food in it's most basic form.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 23, 2019 18:56:11 GMT -5
I gave up dairy before I had my gallbladder surgery. When I tried to add it back, it gave me diarrhea. I tried several times with the same result. I can eat things with some dairy in it but not drink a glass of milk or eat ice cream. I now drink almond milk.
I gave up carbonated beverages during that time. Can't drink those either.
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