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Post by kadee79 on Sept 17, 2019 10:39:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 12:26:37 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 17, 2019 13:08:21 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. People with preexisting conditions should just have the courtesy to die.
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Post by cameragrrl on Sept 17, 2019 14:20:50 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. Health insurance is quite different from home/car insurance though. Ultimately, if I get health insurance, I do it to handle major conditions. I can pay for standard care myself (this is not the case for many people). Once I have had a condition (even, in many cases, after it’s treated successfully), it’s always considered a pre-existing condition. In addition to that, if I am responsible and always have insurance, my insurance company can drop my coverage at any time (pre-ACA). Once that happens I’m now completely uninsurable. So why did I bother to have it in the first place? All of that is the reason many people are pushing for single payer. Health care has no reason to be an insurance based business.
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kadee79
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 17, 2019 20:05:07 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. Health insurance is quite different from home/car insurance though. Ultimately, if I get health insurance, I do it to handle major conditions. I can pay for standard care myself (this is not the case for many people). Once I have had a condition (even, in many cases, after it’s treated successfully), it’s always considered a pre-existing condition. In addition to that, if I am responsible and always have insurance, my insurance company can drop my coverage at any time (pre-ACA). Once that happens I’m now completely uninsurable. So why did I bother to have it in the first place? All of that is the reason many people are pushing for single payer. Health care has no reason to be an insurance based business. Sure wish I could like your post more than once!...more like thousands of times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 8:01:10 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. Health insurance is quite different from home/car insurance though. Ultimately, if I get health insurance, I do it to handle major conditions. I can pay for standard care myself (this is not the case for many people). Once I have had a condition (even, in many cases, after it’s treated successfully), it’s always considered a pre-existing condition. In addition to that, if I am responsible and always have insurance, my insurance company can drop my coverage at any time (pre-ACA). Once that happens I’m now completely uninsurable. So why did I bother to have it in the first place? All of that is the reason many people are pushing for single payer. Health care has no reason to be an insurance based business. Insurance is insurance, regardless of what is covered. Insurance is a purchase of possible, risk averaged, financial assistance, based on average cost of a group. My point was the misdirection of 'insurance', being purchased after the fact. That is socialized health care, and my point of misdirection. Which you already know by what you say in your post, especially the last sentence. Whether 'healthcare' is better or not (your opinion), is another discussion. As it stands right now, single payer isn't preferred by enough of our population to pass into law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 18, 2019 19:15:21 GMT -5
Health insurance is quite different from home/car insurance though. Ultimately, if I get health insurance, I do it to handle major conditions. I can pay for standard care myself (this is not the case for many people). Once I have had a condition (even, in many cases, after it’s treated successfully), it’s always considered a pre-existing condition. In addition to that, if I am responsible and always have insurance, my insurance company can drop my coverage at any time (pre-ACA). Once that happens I’m now completely uninsurable. So why did I bother to have it in the first place? All of that is the reason many people are pushing for single payer. Health care has no reason to be an insurance based business. Insurance is insurance, regardless of what is covered. Insurance is a purchase of possible, risk averaged, financial assistance, based on average cost of a group. My point was the misdirection of 'insurance', being purchased after the fact. That is socialized health care, and my point of misdirection. Which you already know by what you say in your post, especially the last sentence. Whether 'healthcare' is better or not (your opinion), is another discussion. As it stands right now, single payer isn't preferred by enough of our population to pass into law. a majority isn't enough?
www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 18, 2019 19:27:01 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. I find it ironic that so called “pro-lifers” are so indifferent to the needless deaths of others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:47:13 GMT -5
Insurance is insurance, regardless of what is covered. Insurance is a purchase of possible, risk averaged, financial assistance, based on average cost of a group. My point was the misdirection of 'insurance', being purchased after the fact. That is socialized health care, and my point of misdirection. Which you already know by what you say in your post, especially the last sentence. Whether 'healthcare' is better or not (your opinion), is another discussion. As it stands right now, single payer isn't preferred by enough of our population to pass into law. a majority isn't enough?
www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/
I'm guessing you will not need me to explain how laws are passed in our republic ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:52:49 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. I find it ironic that so called “pro-lifers” are so indifferent to the needless deaths of others. This is an ignorant post because it has nothing to do with my explanation of what insurance is. (bolded) On your inserted topic; I also find it ironic that "pro deathers" seem so concerned about healthcare. If you want to do this, I will be more than happy to continue with it in Virgil's inferno, until then, I plan to keep discussing that subject where it belongs. Over there, not here. If you're game, I am. Tag me when you start the thread over there. (I won't be holding my breath)
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Post by tallguy on Sept 19, 2019 12:10:02 GMT -5
I always liked the contradiction of selling 'insurance' to someone with a preexisting condition. It's like selling homeowners insurance, to someone who's house has already burned down. Carry on with the misdirection. I find it ironic that so called “pro-lifers” are so indifferent to the needless deaths of others. You know as well as I that the term "pro-life" is a ridiculously mis-used and incorrect description, adopted only to make its members feel noble. Life itself is far too encompassing to be limited to just one form or aspect of it. One cannot be "for" life in one aspect, against it in many others, and properly use that description overall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:32:07 GMT -5
I find it ironic that so called “pro-lifers” are so indifferent to the needless deaths of others. You know as well as I that the term "pro-life" is a ridiculously mis-used and incorrect description, adopted only to make its members feel noble. Life itself is far too encompassing to be limited to just one form or aspect of it. One cannot be "for" life in one aspect, against it in many others, and properly use that description overall. She's just going with the common usage, you're expecting too much. Your premise of ridiculously mis-used and incorrect, is arguably wrong according to Oxford. pro-life [prōˈlīf] ADJECTIVE opposing abortion and euthanasia www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/
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Post by tallguy on Sept 19, 2019 13:24:40 GMT -5
Merely commenting on the fact that the "irony" disappears when you recognize the hypocrisy.
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Post by mroped on Sept 19, 2019 14:08:08 GMT -5
She's just going with the common usage, you're expecting too much. pro-life [prōˈlīf] ADJECTIVE opposing abortion and euthanasia www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/Unfortunately those that see themselves as “pro life” understand that life is just about that. Forget about life after birth, forget about endless suffering, forget about the fact that the “right to life” is not just about being alive and there are no needs and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:03:09 GMT -5
She's just going with the common usage, you're expecting too much. pro-life [prōˈlīf] ADJECTIVE opposing abortion and euthanasia www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/ Unfortunately those that see themselves as “pro life” understand that life is just about that.Forget about life after birth, forget about endless suffering, forget about the fact that the “right to life” is not just about being alive and there are no needs and so on. That is untrue and a political stereotype.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:05:01 GMT -5
Merely commenting on the fact that the "irony" disappears when you recognize the hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is everywhere. If you are suddenly recognizing it, you are probably quite young.
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