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Post by dondub on Sept 7, 2019 23:19:01 GMT -5
Glad to see you think V.T. was nothing! Go ahead and prove that lie. What bullshit.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 7, 2019 23:33:46 GMT -5
Good job OC. My ‘might have been 1’ led you right to VT 12 years ago. Your excellent sleuthing didn’t prove anything but must have been gleeful for you.
How about knives next? Anything that shows it wasn’t assault rifles is some of the gleeful nothing burger of all time.
You seem plenty Gleeful with this post!
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Post by dondub on Sept 8, 2019 0:02:27 GMT -5
Good job OC. My ‘might have been 1’ led you right to VT 12 years ago. Your excellent sleuthing didn’t prove anything but must have been gleeful for you.
How about knives next? Anything that shows it wasn’t assault rifles is some of the gleeful nothing burger of all time.
You seem plenty Gleeful with this post!
Nope that would be you this time. ANY mass murder that didn’t come at the end of an assault weapon. Mr. Gleeful.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2019 18:29:59 GMT -5
Good job OC. My ‘might have been 1’ led you right to VT 12 years ago. Your excellent sleuthing didn’t prove anything but must have been gleeful for you.
How about knives next? Anything that shows it wasn’t assault rifles is some of the gleeful nothing burger of all time.
You seem plenty Gleeful with this post!
Nope that would be you this time. ANY mass murder that didn’t come at the end of an assault weapon. Mr. Gleeful. 911, no assault weapon there. Or as some congress person said some one did something!
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Post by dondub on Sept 8, 2019 18:59:44 GMT -5
Nope that would be you this time. ANY mass murder that didn’t come at the end of an assault weapon. Mr. Gleeful. 911, no assault weapon there. Or as some congress person said some one did something!
Considering the thread title is Another Mass Shooting I think you veered off topic. And if you really want to go off topic some more why not link to the Congresswoman’s complete comment instead of just right wing cherry picking. And keep in mind while doing that you are known to wear the gear of an anti-Semitic organization that the JDL abhors...just to put you in context.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2019 19:14:24 GMT -5
911, no assault weapon there. Or as some congress person said some one did something!
Considering the thread title is Another Mass Shooting I think you veered off topic. And if you really want to go off topic some more why not link to the Congresswoman’s complete comment instead of just right wing cherry picking. And keep in mind while doing that you are known to wear the gear of an anti-Semitic organization that the JDL abhors...just to put you in context. Ahhhh, That's so sweet of you Don!! As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about! You do remind me of this.
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Post by dondub on Sept 8, 2019 19:27:02 GMT -5
Considering the thread title is Another Mass Shooting I think you veered off topic. And if you really want to go off topic some more why not link to the Congresswoman’s complete comment instead of just right wing cherry picking. And keep in mind while doing that you are known to wear the gear of an anti-Semitic organization that the JDL abhors...just to put you in context. Ahhhh, That's so sweet of you Don!! As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about! You do remind me of this. Is the thread title ‘Another Mass Shooting’...yes it is. Are you cherry picking the Congresswoman’s comment from a right wing slant...you sure are. Have you donned Oath Keeper apparel...yep Has that organization been found anti-Semitic and found disfavor by the JDL....absolutely. So if you wouldn’t mind please tell where it is that I don’t know what I’m talking about or are you going to run and hide now behind your little chicken S ad hominem?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 8, 2019 22:07:36 GMT -5
Ahhhh, That's so sweet of you Don!! As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about! You do remind me of this. Is the thread title ‘Another Mass Shooting’...yes it is. Are you cherry picking the Congresswoman’s comment from a right wing slant...you sure are. Have you donned Oath Keeper apparel...yep Has that organization been found anti-Semitic and found disfavor by the JDL....absolutely. So if you wouldn’t mind please tell where it is that I don’t know what I’m talking about or are you going to run and hide now behind your little chicken S ad hominem?
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Post by dondub on Sept 8, 2019 22:29:57 GMT -5
Is the thread title ‘Another Mass Shooting’...yes it is. Are you cherry picking the Congresswoman’s comment from a right wing slant...you sure are. Have you donned Oath Keeper apparel...yep Has that organization been found anti-Semitic and found disfavor by the JDL....absolutely. So if you wouldn’t mind please tell where it is that I don’t know what I’m talking about or are you going to run and hide now behind your little chicken S ad hominem? . Yep just as I thought. Hiding again as usual.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 9, 2019 9:02:44 GMT -5
I see that Phil, is either working the harvest or ignoring you I am going to do the same.
It is you are walking down the street, you see the person half naked , praying to the stop sign, rather than go passed that person, maybe become that their next attraction, you cross the street to the other side, go on our way. Maybe Phil and I have crossed over to the other side of the street!
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 9, 2019 9:04:12 GMT -5
Word salad.
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Post by dondub on Sept 9, 2019 11:01:31 GMT -5
Syntax issues are an early sign of dementia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 12:58:58 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like common sense. List makers don't have the authority to override the second amendment. However, that kind of thing does happen in dictatorships. I like your "potential" aspect, for restricting constitutional rights. Think of the cross application for other amendments. Interesting concept for the U.S. Wouldn't you say ? There you go, disputing language again when you don't have a rationale argument. You might have to be restricted on your first amendment rights, because of potential irrational premise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:01:17 GMT -5
If you only want to compare our gun violence rates against other countries that have similar loose gun laws, like ours, you're going to have to dig into some countries like Somalia - countries with a lot of civil unrest, and consequently, high murder rates. That'll cherry pick the data all right.
It's it sad when your country's statistics are so crappy you have to compare yourself to third world banana republics in order for the numbers to look good?
The only one making that comparison is you. As actual risk to a gun carrying person ? No risk at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:19:54 GMT -5
Households. I'm mobile like you, hard for me to get all the ones I have posted in the recent past. It would have to wait till Monday at least, but I'm good with that. It actually hasn't changed much at all, includes this decade. I think PEW says 42% right now if I'm remembering correctly. Either/or, even if it's 30 percent of households, that's a lot of law abiding owners that shouldn't really be referred to as "gun nuts". That was my point. The Second Amendment is a right in this country, and was affirmed as an individual right by the Supreme Court not all that long ago. It has been found, multiple times, that public safety measures around gun ownership are not impeding your constitutional rights. Reframing the conversation of "gun control" to "gun safety" is a way of gun control proponents to attempt to get more results. Any restriction impedes rights. Quote; Handgun Control, Inc. ORGANIZATION. Founded 1974 by Mark Borinsky as the National Council to Control Handguns. It is now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.. Official Website:www.nndb.com/org/834/000115489/or... Quote; Today marks the beginning of a new era in the debate on gun safety. Students, parents and educators from across our great nation are joining a committed group of concerned citizens to march for one common goal: Comprehensive Gun Legislation.www.americansforgunsafetynow.com/Note the goal stated in the second quote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 13:37:55 GMT -5
Banning assault rifles will mean next to nothing, by far more people are done in with a pistol, not a rifle certainly not an assault rifle. None of these guns fire by themselves!
That's pathetic. Truly. And it doesn't negate the fact that non military people do.not.need an assault weapon. An assault weapon functions the same as any semi-automatic hunting rifle. Actually the same as any semi automatic rifle since the late 1800's. They were banned during the Clinton administration by how they looked, not functioned. It was step in the door legislation, that only passed because it came with a sunset clause. It had no effect on crime. Semi-auto's fire one bullet for every pull of the trigger, they are not automatic machine guns. Those have not been available to the general public since 1938, without special license. That is why OldCoyote said it will mean next to nothing. It's not pathetic, he's just aware of the history, that this increase in mass shootings, does not relate to the advent of semi auto rifles from the 1800's
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Post by dondub on Sept 9, 2019 14:15:05 GMT -5
The vast increase in mass shootings, using such weapons as AR-15's and AK-47's since the assault ban was lifted, would indicate the ban did have an effect on crime.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 9, 2019 15:04:55 GMT -5
It has been found, multiple times, that public safety measures around gun ownership are not impeding your constitutional rights. Reframing the conversation of "gun control" to "gun safety" is a way of gun control proponents to attempt to get more results. Any restriction impedes rights.Delays perhaps, not denies. Mild inconvenience does not create a constitutional crisis. How many "rights" are denied by any of the following? 1. Mandatory background checks on all gun sales or transfers? None. 2. Mandatory waiting periods before delivery of weapon? None. 3. Mandatory registration of all firearms? None. 4. Mandatory requirement of safe storage for weapons? None. 5. Mandatory completion and passage of safety and proficiency tests in order to receive a gun permit? None. How many more should we bring up? Even the poorly-decided Supreme Court decision that reversed precedent and established an individual right in opposition to every previous Court ruling still left open that some restrictions by state and local governments are presumptively lawful.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 9, 2019 17:13:42 GMT -5
It has been found, multiple times, that public safety measures around gun ownership are not impeding your constitutional rights. Reframing the conversation of "gun control" to "gun safety" is a way of gun control proponents to attempt to get more results. Any restriction impedes rights.agreed.
so, will you please write your congressman and your president and implore them to allow me to have heat seeking SAMs? because without them, i have no defense against standing armies.
i would also like restrictions lifted on land mines and grenade launchers, and all associated ballistics.
TYIA
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Post by dondub on Sept 9, 2019 17:41:02 GMT -5
Not that individual citizens are ‘militia’, but the Second does call for ‘well regulated’. Thus all the gun nutters opposed to any of the line items in tallguy’s post are simply unconstitutional in their approach to gun ownership.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 9, 2019 22:37:04 GMT -5
We will thru the NRA oppose any more regulations, That interfere the ownership of guns by law biding citizens, while at the same time does nothing to keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals!
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Post by steff on Sept 9, 2019 23:05:36 GMT -5
#3 guy on the NRA board, Mr. Richard Childress (Nascar owner, specifically, the car owner of Dale Earnhardt Sr's #3) resigned from the board & left the NRA last week. And Nascar decided to remove all NRA ads (but not race sponsorships) from their broadcasts & on track advertising.
When you start losing the redneck advertising base & the #3 on your board, a man who was speculated as being considered to replace LaPierre, things aren't good.
But I bet all the NRA members already knew this information right?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 9, 2019 23:27:05 GMT -5
#3 guy on the NRA board, Mr. Richard Childress (Nascar owner, specifically, the car owner of Dale Earnhardt Sr's #3) resigned from the board & left the NRA last week. And Nascar decided to remove all NRA ads (but not race sponsorships) from their broadcasts & on track advertising.
When you start losing the redneck advertising base & the #3 on your board, a man who was speculated as being considered to replace LaPierre, things aren't good.
But I bet all the NRA members already knew this information right?
Yes, I was not concerned in the least. Fact is ,, It is time to give some more money to the NRA, to continue to support my Second Amendment Rights. Second Amendment Right for the 5.5 million NRA members and the 150 million gun owners Like myself that have done nothing wrong. For what ever reason you have, chose to attempt to penalize us instead of the very few that have used guns for the wrong purpose.
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Post by dondub on Sept 9, 2019 23:41:03 GMT -5
#3 guy on the NRA board, Mr. Richard Childress (Nascar owner, specifically, the car owner of Dale Earnhardt Sr's #3) resigned from the board & left the NRA last week. And Nascar decided to remove all NRA ads (but not race sponsorships) from their broadcasts & on track advertising.
When you start losing the redneck advertising base & the #3 on your board, a man who was speculated as being considered to replace LaPierre, things aren't good.
But I bet all the NRA members already knew this information right?
Yes, I was not concerned in the least. Fact is ,, It is time to give some more money to the NRA, to continue to support my Second Amendment Rights. Second Amendment Right for the 5.5 million NRA members and the 150 million gun owners Like myself that have done nothing wrong. For what ever reason you have, chose to attempt to penalize us instead of the very few that have used guns for the wrong purpose.
Or to follow the Constitutional mandate for guns to be well regulated per tallguy’s list. But wacko gunnutters will go against the Constitution every time while whining about gun grabbing like little babies.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 9, 2019 23:46:57 GMT -5
Yes, I was not concerned in the least. Fact is ,, It is time to give some more money to the NRA, to continue to support my Second Amendment Rights. Second Amendment Right for the 5.5 million NRA members and the 150 million gun owners Like myself that have done nothing wrong. For what ever reason you have, chose to attempt to penalize us instead of the very few that have used guns for the wrong purpose.
Or to follow the Constitutional mandate for guns to be well regulated per tallguy’s list. But wacko gunnutters will go against the Constitution every time while whining about gun grabbing like little babies. Well, they've never been known for intelligence, thoughtfulness, or balance....
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 10, 2019 1:14:15 GMT -5
We will thru the NRA oppose any more regulations, That interfere the ownership of guns by law biding citizens, while at the same time does nothing to keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals! guns are useless against tanks.
I want a rocket launcher.
is the NRA working on that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 8:16:17 GMT -5
Reframing the conversation of "gun control" to "gun safety" is a way of gun control proponents to attempt to get more results. Any restriction impedes rights.Delays perhaps, not denies. Mild inconvenience does not create a constitutional crisis. How many "rights" are denied by any of the following? 1. Mandatory background checks on all gun sales or transfers? None. 2. Mandatory waiting periods before delivery of weapon? None. 3. Mandatory registration of all firearms? None. 4. Mandatory requirement of safe storage for weapons? None. 5. Mandatory completion and passage of safety and proficiency tests in order to receive a gun permit? None. How many more should we bring up? Even the poorly-decided Supreme Court decision that reversed precedent and established an individual right in opposition to every previous Court ruling still left open that some restrictions by state and local governments are presumptively lawful. Of course those same restrictions can also apply to other amendments too, don't you agree ? It would deny nothing. I especially like the proficiency standard, as a restriction when applied to free speech and voting as one ? I wonder how the women would like those restrictions on their more recent amendment that gives them the right to vote. Just reread your one through five and apply. It is after all, just a mild inconvenience that impedes nothing, liking voter id's. I have to hand it to the Supreme Court for finally ending all that spin nonsense about militia. It's an individual right as it was always meant to be. And now reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. That was a good day ! I can't help but notice that Washington state has open carry. How do you tell which open carry individuals are mentally unstable, as they walk around with their guns. A mass murdering criminal from New Jersey can blithely walk into a shopping mall wearing a gun in plain view in Washington, and just start killing. How is that currently regulated in a progressive, smart state ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 8:32:19 GMT -5
Reframing the conversation of "gun control" to "gun safety" is a way of gun control proponents to attempt to get more results. Any restriction impedes rights.agreed.
so, will you please write your congressman and your president and implore them to allow me to have heat seeking SAMs? because without them, i have no defense against standing armies.
i would also like restrictions lifted on land mines and grenade launchers, and all associated ballistics.
TYIA
Your knowledge on the methods of warfare seem somewhat limited. You'll have to write your own Congressman.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 10, 2019 8:34:50 GMT -5
Delays perhaps, not denies. Mild inconvenience does not create a constitutional crisis. How many "rights" are denied by any of the following? 1. Mandatory background checks on all gun sales or transfers? None. 2. Mandatory waiting periods before delivery of weapon? None. 3. Mandatory registration of all firearms? None. 4. Mandatory requirement of safe storage for weapons? None. 5. Mandatory completion and passage of safety and proficiency tests in order to receive a gun permit? None. How many more should we bring up? Even the poorly-decided Supreme Court decision that reversed precedent and established an individual right in opposition to every previous Court ruling still left open that some restrictions by state and local governments are presumptively lawful. Of course those same restrictions can also apply to other amendments too, don't you agree ? It would deny nothing. I especially like the proficiency standard, as a restriction when applied to free speech and voting as one ? I wonder how the women would like those restrictions on their more recent right to vote. Just reread your one through five and apply. I have to hand it to the Supreme Court for finally ending all that spin nonsense about militia. It's an individual right as it was always meant to be. And now reaffirmed by the Supreme Court.I That was a good day ! If that is true then why was language specifically affirming an individual right (which did exist in some of the state constitutions) debated and rejected during the writing of the Second Amendment? The founders could have chosen to affirm an individual right if they wanted to. They chose not to. They debated it and decided against it. It was always meant to be about the militia. The Supreme Court erred in wiping out hundreds of years worth of history and precedent in deciding otherwise.
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