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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 4, 2019 16:16:51 GMT -5
Indiana and their very loose gun laws. What a shame. Chicago, Illinois and you can cry all you want. The sales are legal. It is Illinois citizens that break the law by the fact they purchase them knowing it is illegal to have them back in Illinois and use them to slaughter their neighbors. I know from your previous posts you give a rat's ass about black gun victims unless they are killed by a white man. Or do you not care about handgun victims killed one or two at a time, several times a weekend? I'm all for gangs, regardless of color, having a free-for-all, end-it-all shootout with each other. May they all die and leave the rest of the population alone. You?
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2019 19:00:36 GMT -5
Let's throw in all domestic terrorists and domestic terrorist organizations too. Put them in the middle. As long as we're at it....
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Post by dondub on Sept 4, 2019 19:10:14 GMT -5
Indiana and their very loose gun laws. What a shame. Chicago, Illinois and you can cry all you want. The sales are legal. It is Illinois citizens that break the law by the fact they purchase them knowing it is illegal to have them back in Illinois and use them to slaughter their neighbors. I know from your previous posts you give a rat's ass about black gun victims unless they are killed by a white man. Or do you not care about handgun victims killed one or two at a time, several times a weekend? You don’t seem to except as leverage.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2019 19:18:28 GMT -5
Yea, I am waiting for the druggies trading the stolen gun to the drug dealer.
here is an idea:
legalize drugs, drive dealers out of the equation.
problem solved.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 4, 2019 20:06:54 GMT -5
You and your excuses. A failed background check is a failed background check. Live with it. Do you have any idea how many people fail the instant background check,, only to go back three days later pickup their weapon? And that is why we should put some improvements and consistency on the background check system. If it wasn't such a mess we might have less suicides and domestic violence gun injuries. Actually, I shouldn't say "might". Every state that has increased scrutiny around background checks has had decreased levels of gun violence. So, if we had a federal standard with an improved system, we would have the same results.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:03:18 GMT -5
The Odessa shooter was not a 'druggie' and the seller was not a drug dealer. Actually making a background check a legal requirement even for private sales makes sense: if you don't properly check not only could you be criminally liable → AND you would be open to civil damages where a survivor or family of a person killed could sue you in civil court. A few nice big judgements against non-compliant sellers could go a long way in getting people to actually take responsibilty for their actions. Quite frankly, I would not have a problem with person to person background checks. which brings us back to this. Yea, I am waiting for the druggies trading the stolen gun to the drug dealer. say we need to do a background check on this!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:04:37 GMT -5
Yea, I am waiting for the druggies trading the stolen gun to the drug dealer. say we need to do a background check on this!! Tenn is so gullible he would believe it.. yea every one will do background check when it become law!! The Odessa shooter was not a 'druggie' and the seller was not a drug dealer. The Odessa shooter had nothing to do with my statement.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:12:03 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how many people fail the instant background check,, only to go back three days later pickup their weapon? The ones who have been flagged as a "prohibited person" who are thus prevented from legally owning guns? I'm guessing...none. A failed Instant Background check may have nothing to do with the buyer being prohibited. The last three weapons I bought, I failed the Instant Background Check! Why ? I don't know, they don't say. So I wait three day go back to the store pick up my weapon. So a failed Instant background check may mean nothing.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:21:17 GMT -5
The police say at this time they don't know why this happened, I only offered a scenario. And you act like that scenario OBLIGATED him to shoot someone. Anyone. What a load of fucking bullshit.
Moon, backdown a little, I offered a scenario, That was it, I said so. According to one report a neighbor said he lived in a shack that had no running water or electricity. He was just fired from his job, Both he and the ex employer called the police, He said that he was on a downward spiral. Maybe he had hit bottom , was going to settle some old debts, (Not Money debts) the police stopped him,
he started his carnage.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5
The ones who have been flagged as a "prohibited person" who are thus prevented from legally owning guns? I'm guessing...none. A failed Instant Background check may have nothing to do with the buyer being prohibited. The last three weapons I bought, I failed the Instant Background Check! Why ? I don't know, they don't say. So I wait three day go back to the store pick up my weapon. So a failed Instant background check may mean nothing.
Mental illness, perhaps? Did you keep yammering about some 100 year old mark on a wall?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:26:31 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how many people fail the instant background check,, only to go back three days later pickup their weapon? And that is why we should put some improvements and consistency on the background check system. If it wasn't such a mess we might have less suicides and domestic violence gun injuries. Actually, I shouldn't say "might". Every state that has increased scrutiny around background checks has had decreased levels of gun violence. So, if we had a federal standard with an improved system, we would have the same results. It is the Federal Standard, that is required the background checks.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 22:27:21 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how many people fail the instant background check,, only to go back three days later pickup their weapon? And that is why we should put some improvements and consistency on the background check system. If it wasn't such a mess we might have less suicides and domestic violence gun injuries. Actually, I shouldn't say "might". Every state that has increased scrutiny around background checks has had decreased levels of gun violence. So, if we had a federal standard with an improved system, we would have the same results. Chicago Il.?
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2019 22:58:07 GMT -5
The ones who have been flagged as a "prohibited person" who are thus prevented from legally owning guns? I'm guessing...none. A failed Instant Background check may have nothing to do with the buyer being prohibited. The last three weapons I bought, I failed the Instant Background Check! Why ? I don't know, they don't say. So I wait three day go back to the store pick up my weapon. So a failed Instant background check may mean nothing.
No, he was flagged as a prohibited person irrespective of the failed background check. There was something in addition to or independent of the failed check that justified him being prohibited. That means that there is no way he could have just gone back later. He was not legally able to purchase a gun. This is not that difficult. In fact none of these issues are all that difficult. Why is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping the facts about ANY of them?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 4, 2019 23:08:04 GMT -5
A failed Instant Background check may have nothing to do with the buyer being prohibited. The last three weapons I bought, I failed the Instant Background Check! Why ? I don't know, they don't say. So I wait three day go back to the store pick up my weapon. So a failed Instant background check may mean nothing.
No, he was flagged as a prohibited person irrespective of the failed background check. There was something in addition to or independent of the failed check that justified him being prohibited. That means that there is no way he could have just gone back later. He was not legally able to purchase a gun. This is not that difficult. In fact none of these issues are all that difficult. Why is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping the facts about ANY of them? Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. First of all like in my case, they don't tell why you failed the Instant background check, Only if the completely deny the sale can you request a reason why, Even then, they may not tell with out courts forcing it thru a lawsuit.
it is the FBI that makes the determination, not some local yokel sheriff!
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2019 23:12:53 GMT -5
No, he was flagged as a prohibited person irrespective of the failed background check. There was something in addition to or independent of the failed check that justified him being prohibited. That means that there is no way he could have just gone back later. He was not legally able to purchase a gun. This is not that difficult. In fact none of these issues are all that difficult. Why is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping the facts about ANY of them? Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. First of all like in my case, they don't tell why you failed the Instant background check, Only if the completely deny the sale can you request a reason why, Even then, they may not tell with out courts forcing it thru a lawsuit.
it is the FBI that makes the determination, not some local yokel sheriff!
Lol! Like the secret cabal of scientists who are lying to you? This is really funny, as you still embrace the guy who lies to everyone, all the time, about everything.
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Post by dondub on Sept 4, 2019 23:16:35 GMT -5
No, he was flagged as a prohibited person irrespective of the failed background check. There was something in addition to or independent of the failed check that justified him being prohibited. That means that there is no way he could have just gone back later. He was not legally able to purchase a gun. This is not that difficult. In fact none of these issues are all that difficult. Why is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping the facts about ANY of them? Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. First of all like in my case, they don't tell why you failed the Instant background check, Only if the completely deny the sale can you request a reason why, Even then, they may not tell with out courts forcing it thru a lawsuit.
it is the FBI that makes the determination, not some local yokel sheriff!
[b Well if I was local FBI I would surely be keeping an eye on you based on my intel from the NSA, culled from your postings on these forums.😎
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 5, 2019 0:12:06 GMT -5
Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. First of all like in my case, they don't tell why you failed the Instant background check, Only if the completely deny the sale can you request a reason why, Even then, they may not tell with out courts forcing it thru a lawsuit.
it is the FBI that makes the determination, not some local yokel sheriff!
[b Well if I was local FBI I would surely be keeping an eye on you based on my intel from the NSA, culled from your postings on these forums.😎 You mean like where I think police should be held accountable for their actions?? Like the police shooting of completely unarmed Andrew Finch Wichita KS,
where he was shot in under ten seconds after stepping out on his porch, from over 50yrds away. He did absolutely nothing wrong,, but he is dead, and the officer that shot him,, no charges,, none. So what has the police or even the city done to help the family of Andrew Finch,, for the death they caused?? Nothing that is it nothing,,
There that should make you happy, a well oiled government system,, kills their citizens ,, lets the family rot!!! Now lets hear from the great defenders of the police and the city government!!! how great this is,,
Next up Leslie Merritt jr.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 5, 2019 0:24:17 GMT -5
Oh let's not forget after the police shot Mr, Andrew Finch, detained every one, handcuff taken to police headquarters, , searched the house, confiscated a bunch of things that apparently most have never been returned, kept the mother from viewing and claiming her sons body for some time,,
Yes , We all are so worried how the asylum seekers are treated,
or the poor hurricane survivors, ,,,
Or the poor victims of mass shooting, take the guns, take the guns,
But if it is a white man in the central U.S.A. that is killed by police ,, screw him!!
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Post by dondub on Sept 5, 2019 0:36:19 GMT -5
I would get that checked if I were you.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 5, 2019 8:06:11 GMT -5
Chicago, Illinois and you can cry all you want. The sales are legal. It is Illinois citizens that break the law by the fact they purchase them knowing it is illegal to have them back in Illinois and use them to slaughter their neighbors. I know from your previous posts you give a rat's ass about black gun victims unless they are killed by a white man. Or do you not care about handgun victims killed one or two at a time, several times a weekend? I'm all for gangs, regardless of color, having a free-for-all, end-it-all shootout with each other. May they all die and leave the rest of the population alone. You? Glad to see you admit you are not against all gun deaths. Just certain ones..... Sounds like you are a bonifide conservative on gun issues. How about misdirected gun shots hitting innocent children and residents in these same neighborhhods shot by gang lawbreakers who fail to obey the local gun laws? You cannot have it both ways...... Local police have to arrest the gang bangers and put them away for breaking laws, and the police chief says the courts just turn them lose back onto the streets. So gun limitations are not the Holy Grail that liberals claim it to be.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2019 8:47:12 GMT -5
And that is why we should put some improvements and consistency on the background check system. If it wasn't such a mess we might have less suicides and domestic violence gun injuries. Actually, I shouldn't say "might". Every state that has increased scrutiny around background checks has had decreased levels of gun violence. So, if we had a federal standard with an improved system, we would have the same results. It is the Federal Standard, that is required the background checks. Unless they don't - like private sales and gun shows.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 5, 2019 8:58:05 GMT -5
Indiana and their very loose gun laws. What a shame. Chicago, Illinois and you can cry all you want. The sales are legal. It is Illinois citizens that break the law by the fact they purchase them knowing it is illegal to have them back in Illinois and use them to slaughter their neighbors. I know from your previous posts you give a rat's ass about black gun victims unless they are killed by a white man.Or do you not care about handgun victims killed one or two at a time, several times a weekend? VB, you know no such thing. Cut it out with the assumptions that are insulting to other posters. mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2019 9:50:42 GMT -5
No, he was flagged as a prohibited person irrespective of the failed background check. There was something in addition to or independent of the failed check that justified him being prohibited. That means that there is no way he could have just gone back later. He was not legally able to purchase a gun. This is not that difficult. In fact none of these issues are all that difficult. Why is it that you are utterly incapable of grasping the facts about ANY of them? Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. from what I can tell he is using logic, not reading anything at all.
if we agree that he failed a background check, then it stands to reason he could not (or should not) legally purchase a gun.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 5, 2019 11:44:58 GMT -5
Tallguy you are reading something out of the newspaper or media,They make things up. from what I can tell he is using logic, not reading anything at all.
if we agree that he failed a background check, then it stands to reason he could not (or should not) legally purchase a gun.
My point is I have failed the "Instant" background check for the last three guns I have bought. Early reports said there was nothing that would have kept him from buying a gun,, his arrest was a misdemeanor. Then out of the blue comes media report that he failed, ,, Failed the instant, or complete check. If it was a complete, what did he do it? If a cop says it it really does not make it true.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 5, 2019 14:10:46 GMT -5
from what I can tell he is using logic, not reading anything at all.
if we agree that he failed a background check, then it stands to reason he could not (or should not) legally purchase a gun.
My point is I have failed the "Instant" background check for the last three guns I have bought. Early reports said there was nothing that would have kept him from buying a gun,, his arrest was a misdemeanor. Then out of the blue comes media report that he failed, ,, Failed the instant, or complete check. If it was a complete, what did he do it? If a cop says it it really does not make it true.
If we're talking about the Odessa shooter (and if we're not, my apologies - there are far too many shooters to keep up with these days) he was prevented from buying a weapon because he had been diagnosed with a mental illness. So he bought one from a private person, because Texas does not require background checks in private sales.
www.texastribune.org/2019/09/03/odessa-texas-shooter-bought-gun-private-sale-without-background-check/
Kind of makes sense to require background checks on ALL sales, doesn't it? Close the gun show loophole? Doesn't seem too much to ask.
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Post by dondub on Sept 5, 2019 14:32:59 GMT -5
For some....no big deal.
For gun nutters....an anti-Constitutional gun grab(even though it's not).
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 5, 2019 14:36:17 GMT -5
[b Well if I was local FBI I would surely be keeping an eye on you based on my intel from the NSA, culled from your postings on these forums.😎 You mean like where I think police should be held accountable for their actions?? Like the police shooting of completely unarmed Andrew Finch Wichita KS,
where he was shot in under ten seconds after stepping out on his porch, from over 50yrds away. He did absolutely nothing wrong,, but he is dead, and the officer that shot him,, no charges,, none. So what has the police or even the city done to help the family of Andrew Finch,, for the death they caused?? Nothing that is it nothing,,
There that should make you happy, a well oiled government system,, kills their citizens ,, lets the family rot!!! Now lets hear from the great defenders of the police and the city government!!! how great this is,,
Next up Leslie Merritt jr.
No, it's when you say things like "I often break the law, but the the trick is not to get caught!"
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 5, 2019 14:38:11 GMT -5
Having read that, I'm not convinced that you'e a law-bidding [sic] citizen, whose guns should not be taken from him.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 5, 2019 15:23:07 GMT -5
Yea, I am waiting for the druggies trading the stolen gun to the drug dealer.
here is an idea:
legalize drugs, drive dealers out of the equation.
problem solved.
I have said this, or similar, for a long time now.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 5, 2019 16:05:29 GMT -5
For some....no big deal.
For gun nutters....an anti-Constitutional gun grab(even though it's not). I wonder if they would think differently if it was an Islamic terrorist who bought a military assault rifle out of the trunk of someone's car, no background check, and then murdered 21 people during a church service.
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