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Post by billisonboard on Aug 28, 2019 16:40:07 GMT -5
link to the policy itself
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Post by haapai on Aug 28, 2019 17:53:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by purebreds. Although I must admit that when the linked article refers to U.S. citizen parents, it does sound as if both parents must be citizens. I don't like this sloppiness and I believe that the sloppy wording is intentional.
On a different note, I do not believe that one's ability to claim US citizenship should be abridged because one's US citizen parent has never resided in the US. This memo is an unnecessary d--- move.
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Post by haapai on Aug 28, 2019 18:05:36 GMT -5
There's definitely an irony here that the guy who swears that he'll end birthright citizenship is taking aim at folks who did not acquire automatic US citizenship by being born in the US.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 28, 2019 18:11:12 GMT -5
So, basically children who wouldn't ordinarily be citizens won't be citizens.
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Post by busymom on Aug 28, 2019 18:55:14 GMT -5
Wow, way to support our troops serving overseas! (Just when I think the resident village idiot can't stoop any lower, then he does...)
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 28, 2019 19:01:00 GMT -5
I read that, sure going to encourage the masses to enlist isn't he. I'm thankful grandson was already born and a citizen. Son registered him at the embassy immediately.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 28, 2019 19:30:16 GMT -5
There's definitely an irony here that the guy who swears that he'll end birthright citizenship is taking aim at folks who did not acquire automatic US citizenship by being born in the US. born to those serving the country like he skipped out on, to boot. I had the same thought.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 28, 2019 20:11:53 GMT -5
Both of my grandchildren were born to a US citizen & a Japanese citizen....one was born in the US at a military hospital, the other born at a military hospital on a US base in Japan.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 29, 2019 7:15:10 GMT -5
If Trump gets his way and is allowed to say that kids born in the US to non-citizens are not American citizens at birth (e.g., getting rid of 'anchor babies) are we going to be allowed to kick out Trump's first and third wives' kids?
Their mom's were foreign born, and Trump is just one generation away from being foreign born - they don't sound very American to me.
And it would be good Karma for the whole Birther movement Trump spearheaded, for the 8 years Obama was president.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 29, 2019 12:00:20 GMT -5
If Trump gets his way and is allowed to say that kids born in the US to non-citizens are not American citizens at birth (e.g., getting rid of 'anchor babies) are we going to be allowed to kick out Trump's first and third wives' kids?
Their mom's were foreign born, and Trump is just one generation away from being foreign born - they don't sound very American to me.
And it would be good Karma for the whole Birther movement Trump spearheaded, for the 8 years Obama was president.
The problem is who wants his devil spawn - Barron excluded from this comment since as a minor (a) he is off-limits to me, and and (b) hasn't done anything to deserve that designation?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 29, 2019 15:48:53 GMT -5
Both of my grandchildren were born to a US citizen & a Japanese citizen....one was born in the US at a military hospital, the other born at a military hospital on a US base in Japan. Under the proposed policy your children could APPLY for citizenship for your grandchildren. The notion is abhorent.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 29, 2019 20:10:05 GMT -5
I read that, sure going to encourage the masses to enlist isn't he. I'm thankful grandson was already born and a citizen. Son registered him at the embassy immediately. Your grandson was already and still is covered. Read the actual words in the proposal.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 29, 2019 20:16:30 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 29, 2019 20:21:33 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them. I don't have a problem with granting American citizenship to anyone proving that they were fathered by an American GI stationed overseas.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 29, 2019 20:28:29 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them. I don't have a problem with granting American citizenship to anyone proving that they were fathered by an American GI stationed overseas. Many servicemen were in love over there, and wanted to marry their girl, but the military quietly tried stopping a lot of that. Many men who were serious had to come back after their time in service and do the paperwork to bring the girl home to America, and a child too. Unfortunatly their were vast numbers of pregnant women with no serviceman ever coming back. Many men were married back home, and were not ever going to bring anyone back with them. I think there was an effort to bring many of the children of servicemen back when the fall of Saigon was a forgone conclusion, as many were left in orphanages but thousands are still there.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 29, 2019 20:31:09 GMT -5
I believe in the K I S S method. Keep It Short and Simple
Any child will have the same citizenship status as the birth mother.
Of course this is too simple for the powers that be to understand.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 29, 2019 20:36:34 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them. I would welcome whatever any of them would want to do. but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to recognize their own American citizenship. I've mentioned on these boards, I've got a large extended family. my kid sister and I are the only two of our gaggle of cousins on Dad's side that aren't 100% Canadian by parentage, although all but (a different) two of us were all born here in the US. the two born in Canada carry "clean" Canadian citizenship and passports. the other six raised there carry Canadian birth certificates like my own, "citizen born abroad", as well as Canadian passports bearing US birthplaces, again like mine. all six are perfectly happy to spend their lives in Canada, as they were raised. would you have forced the American citizenship on my cousins, as it sounds like you would do for these Vietnamese kids?
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 29, 2019 20:44:17 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them. I would welcome whatever any of them would want to do. but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to recognize their own American citizenship. I've mentioned on these boards, I've got a large extended family. my kid sister and I are the only two of our gaggle of cousins on Dad's side that aren't 100% Canadian by parentage, although all but (a different) two of us were all born here in the US. the two born in Canada carry "clean" Canadian citizenship and passports. the other six raised there carry Canadian birth certificates like my own, "citizen born abroad", as well as Canadian passports bearing US birthplaces, again like mine. all six are perfectly happy to spend their lives in Canada, as they were raised. would you have forced the American citizenship on my cousins, as it sounds like you would do for these Vietnamese kids? I am trying to point out how many people are going off on Trump, when we have tens of thousands of potential American citizens in Vietnam that no one has complained or fought for for fifty years. I imagine we have the same problem today in Korea to a lessor extent.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 29, 2019 20:44:19 GMT -5
I believe in the K I S S method. Keep It Short and Simple Any child will have the same citizenship status as the birth mother. Of course this is too simple for the powers that be to understand. Sounds good, if it is also the case that men will have no responsibility to support any child.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 29, 2019 20:49:52 GMT -5
I would welcome whatever any of them would want to do. but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to recognize their own American citizenship. I've mentioned on these boards, I've got a large extended family. my kid sister and I are the only two of our gaggle of cousins on Dad's side that aren't 100% Canadian by parentage, although all but (a different) two of us were all born here in the US. the two born in Canada carry "clean" Canadian citizenship and passports. the other six raised there carry Canadian birth certificates like my own, "citizen born abroad", as well as Canadian passports bearing US birthplaces, again like mine. all six are perfectly happy to spend their lives in Canada, as they were raised. would you have forced the American citizenship on my cousins, as it sounds like you would do for these Vietnamese kids? I am trying to point out how many people are going off on Trump, when we have tens of thousands of potential American citizens in Vietnam that no one has complained or fought for for fifty years. I imagine we have the same problem today in Korea to a lessor extent. the loudest complaints I've heard since this news broke has been from people worried about the status of children born to current active US servicemen and women. I have not heard a single mention of the lost generation of Americans born in Vietnam until this post of yours, which had a markedly different tone. I was addressing that with my own comments. if you are so affronted by the lack of "fight" for these children born in Vietnam, I must ask if YOU have fought for them as well?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 29, 2019 21:32:07 GMT -5
I read that, sure going to encourage the masses to enlist isn't he. I'm thankful grandson was already born and a citizen. Son registered him at the embassy immediately. children of non-U.S. citizen government employees or service members who were naturalized after the child's birth; and children of U.S. citizens who do not meet residency requirements.
Is this grandson your son's child? if he is why would you think, this would have ever applied to him?
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Post by Tiny on Aug 29, 2019 22:02:15 GMT -5
Does anyone have a clue how many children in Vietnam were fathered by our military service men and are everyone's fathers,sons, brothers, cousins, uncles and so on and how many of these children were recognized as American citizens and still living in Vietnam? How about Korea right now? Why not demand they receive their American citizenship? Better yet, ask your relatives why they did nothing to help them. Where are you going with this? Because no one wants a 'half breed". That's the answer I would have gotten from my parents (and their generation). The kid was better off (being an outcast pariah) in their country of birth than here. Besides if the kid (or wife and kid) came here - that would make life hard for the guy (and his extended family). They'd be "those people" and no one wants to be related to "those people". Not to mention the scandal if a service man was married before leaving for duty - and came home with a little bastard in tow... What kind of married man dishonors his family that way? On another note: Puccini wrote an Opera about this 'problem'. And Schönberg wrote a Broadway Musical about it. WE don't have to ask our relatives. Pop culture answered it.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 30, 2019 7:54:29 GMT -5
I am trying to point out how many people are going off on Trump, when we have tens of thousands of potential American citizens in Vietnam that no one has complained or fought for for fifty years. I imagine we have the same problem today in Korea to a lessor extent. the loudest complaints I've heard since this news broke has been from people worried about the status of children born to current active US servicemen and women. I have not heard a single mention of the lost generation of Americans born in Vietnam until this post of yours, which had a markedly different tone. I was addressing that with my own comments. if you are so affronted by the lack of "fight" for these children born in Vietnam, I must ask if YOU have fought for them as well? www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628398153/one-mans-mission-to-bring-home-amerasians-born-during-vietnam-warI would suggest if you have not heard of this issue, read the article or google the subject. I also would ask many Americans ask their relatives what they did while fighting over there........and how they treated the women in Vietnam. This is an article of an American soldier who married her and left her there with the child. They sugar coated the story imo, as he married her......and left them there.....I asume it was a Vietnamese wedding which although a legitimate wedding ceremony in Vietnam, our military did not do anything to actually recognize it as a legitimate marriage. It was a well known belief by service people, the government did not want these 'reminders' of American service men coming back to America. The fact is most (not all) were born to bar girls, who operated in the bars or massage parlors to make a living off the military men on their days off. Originally our government said there was ten or twenty thousand children there, but the number proved to be less than half the true number, if that is even a realistic number. You are correct, I did not fight for the kids.......and I can tell you I feel guilty about it today. I served in Vietnam, stationed at MACV Headquarters as a M.P. just outside of Saigon. I saw these children on the street of the city virtually every day, and still am haunted by it. Racism is not just a white man's issue. All races have racist tendacies, and most of these kids were treated badly by the population, as it was always a slap in the face of these women sleeping with Americans. I can only wonder how they were treated after the country fell to North Vietnam.........today we are talking about children of service people who are not actual U.S. citizens and whether the children fathered by them should be citizens while we had tens of thousands of children who were fathered by actual American citizens........ This is not a story any of us can be proud of, especially me, as I knew it was happening. I will not bother adding to this rant publicly as I sidetracked the op to make a point but if anyone pm's me I will probably answer your thoughts or questions, but will be tied up this weekend.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 30, 2019 10:16:49 GMT -5
I know grandson is, I'm just happy they had them when they did so stuff like this couldn't possibly be an issue.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 30, 2019 13:15:33 GMT -5
I read that, sure going to encourage the masses to enlist isn't he. I'm thankful grandson was already born and a citizen. Son registered him at the embassy immediately. children of non-U.S. citizen government employees or service members who were naturalized after the child's birth; and children of U.S. citizens who do not meet residency requirements.
Is this grandson your son's child? if he is why would you think, this would have ever applied to him?
American father ( I believe working for the DoD), Russian mother, born in Korea
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 30, 2019 23:41:29 GMT -5
But she was a citizen, took her a long time as they never resided in the US, she had to live here a year with her sister and not leave to get it.
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Post by dezii on Aug 30, 2019 23:47:51 GMT -5
IMHO , if it affects just one service member or member of the State Department or any American citizen contracted to work over seas by our government it's one to many.
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Post by mroped on Aug 31, 2019 6:18:32 GMT -5
While it may sound like Trump upturned the life of service members and government employees serving out of the country, in fact he did nothing but to extend the rules valid for all others. Ofcourse, the bad part is he did it to those that are putting their life on the line just to ensure that he can have a peaceful one and that is the catch. A friend of mine married and American citizen and he became one too. He also has a son from a previous marriage born and raised in Romania. The kid didn’t get automatically American citizenship just because of his father, he had to be processed before 18. That is the law!
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