Are you comfortable

[tallguy]

Aug 22, 2019 23:00:47 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 22, 2019 14:55:44 GMT -5 swamp said:

My little business is doing very well too, my portfolio is up, and I paid a lot less in taxes.   I still think Trump is a horrible person and incompetent. 

As usual,

Wooooo Hoooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again!!!

Imagine how much better we would be doing if we were getting Obama's stock market return numbers.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 22, 2019 20:51:30 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I was making money from our rental business before he was in, I'm still making money, and hope to after the shit finally hits the fan.

OC, do you have no love for our democracy, for our country, for our way of life?  Do you admire people that are moral?  Do you conduct your business like trump does?  Do you conduct your personal life like him?  Do you approve of him calling heads of other countries nasty?  Nasty because they do not want to sell part of their country?  Does this make sense? Making fun of a disabled reporter, I will NEVER forget that. Ruining farmers, bankrupting them, we have worried farmers around us.  

I could list more and more and more.  So you approve of the way he does business, I hope you do not conduct your business in a similar manner.  

How anyone like him that says he is King of Israel could not be looked at as a head case I don't know.

We are done for as a country if he is in again. And with russias help I fear he will be.

Better stock up and prep folks you are going to need it.

Countrygirl2, Even though we are politically on different sides, posting to you here I will hold the sarcasm down.

Yes I do believe in the Democracy, I don't think it is in trouble at all.  I know you keep looking for that recession, let me say we may be in it right now,, this maybe as bad as it is going to get.

ignore the daily ups and down of the Stock market,, that is only the profit takers stealing money from all of us, not much we can do about that.

As far as business goes,You wonder if I treat people like Trump does, Trump treats his friend really well, enemies not so well,

In my field I have 44 years of experience, 31 years as a business owner, I have not even have a business phone listing for like 28 years now, I do NO advertising.

Word of mouth, and existing customers keep me far busier than I really want,, speaking of existing customers, I have several that have been with me for the entire 31 years.

Now a word to you,  you work too hard,, which probably causes the pain you complain about, SLOW DOWN, you have plenty of money.. get some help,, you need some help.

Spend some of your money, Go out to eat sometimes,, you don't need to can the whole World,

The world is not going to collapse because of Trump,, Ignore the petty stuff, most of this is petty, here today gone tomorrow,

don't think so,, just look back, What has happened that caused the world to catch fire,, nothing,, absolutely nothing,, that can not be fairly easily fixed.

Don't listen to most of what Trump, The Republican, and Democrats say,, Why even I have turned off talk radio, now only listen to music,, I most certainly feel better!!

If the DR's are not getting you fixed better ,, find new Dr's!!

[djAdvocate]

I think about 80% of what you said is accurate and appropriate.  here is where we differ.

since 80% of all equities are owned by the top 10%, it is unlikely she is watching the stock market much.

the stock market tends to forecast economic trends. it is always looking ahead.

by the time the herd hits the street, it is too late. the market is already bear. so invest for the long haul, and get out anything you can't afford to lose. invest wisely for the long haul until then.

I think Democracy is a false construct.  there has never been a true democracy and there never will be.  we will probably never have another fair election in the US, and probably not many other places either.  I am not sure whether that was ever real, either, so no great loss.

find a place where you can be happy and move there.  people risked everything to come here, and you can risk everything to leave.

the world won't collapse because of Trump.  but it might die the death of 1000 cuts because of what follows.

and things might get better, too.  it all depends on what happens in 2020, imo.

[Value Buy]

Aug 23, 2019 1:24:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think about 80% of what you said is accurate and appropriate.  here is where we differ.

since 80% of all equities are owned by the top 10%, it is unlikely she is watching the stock market much.

the stock market tends to forecast economic trends. it is always looking ahead.

by the time the herd hits the street, it is too late. the market is already bear. so invest for the long haul, and get out anything you can't afford to lose. invest wisely for the long haul until then.

I think Democracy is a false construct.  there has never been a true democracy and there never will be.  we will probably never have another fair election in the US, and probably not many other places either.  I am not sure whether that was ever real, either, so no great loss.

find a place where you can be happy and move there.  people risked everything to come here, and you can risk everything to leave.

the world won't collapse because of Trump.  but it might die the death of 1000 cuts because of what follows.

and things might get better, too.  it all depends on what happens in 2020, imo.

If you (the generic you, as in anyone that does move) love the country, why would you move in retirement? I get buying a place elesewhere, but why leave the country entirely? 
We decided to have the other place for retirement to be here in the states. After all, it is all just a "place of peace" inside our heads. If you are flaming conservative it is in your head, if you are flaming liberal it is in your head. I just do not understand why you have to be in your head in a foreign place......
Last sentence above........some of us do believe we can only do it with Trump, me included, but I know one thing for sure, even if we elect a socialist in 2020, nothing radical will happen for decades. Most of it is just political shit for the masses. On both sides.
Bernie might try it, but we know he would not be able to pull off the shit he wants. All the others are basicilly posers. Except for maybe, the squad but until they run the Congress or the White House nothing changes

[happyhoix]

Aug 23, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 23, 2019 1:24:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think about 80% of what you said is accurate and appropriate.  here is where we differ.

since 80% of all equities are owned by the top 10%, it is unlikely she is watching the stock market much.

the stock market tends to forecast economic trends. it is always looking ahead.

by the time the herd hits the street, it is too late. the market is already bear. so invest for the long haul, and get out anything you can't afford to lose. invest wisely for the long haul until then.

I think Democracy is a false construct.  there has never been a true democracy and there never will be.  we will probably never have another fair election in the US, and probably not many other places either.  I am not sure whether that was ever real, either, so no great loss.

find a place where you can be happy and move there.  people risked everything to come here, and you can risk everything to leave.

the world won't collapse because of Trump.  but it might die the death of 1000 cuts because of what follows.

and things might get better, too.  it all depends on what happens in 2020, imo.

If you (the generic you, as in anyone that does move) love the country, why would you move in retirement? I get buying a place elesewhere, but why leave the country entirely? 
We decided to have the other place for retirement to be here in the states. After all, it is all just a "place of peace" inside our heads. If you are flaming conservative it is in your head, if you are flaming liberal it is in your head. I just do not understand why you have to be in your head in a foreign place......
Last sentence above........some of us do believe we can only do it with Trump, me included, but I know one thing for sure, even if we elect a socialist in 2020, nothing radical will happen for decades. Most of it is just political shit for the masses. On both sides.
Bernie might try it, but we know he would not be able to pull off the shit he wants. All the others are basicilly posers. Except for maybe, the squad but until they run the Congress or the White House nothing changes

Not speaking for DJ, but I've also considered leaving the country, and I can explain why.

With the increasing gap in wealth between the rich and the poor, along with the projected loss of a lot of blue collar jobs (and some white collar jobs) that will come through improvements in robotics, as well as our refusal to address chronic issues like affordable housing, affordable day care and affordable medical coverage, I see us heading (if uncorrected) into being a country where some small percentage of the population owns most of the property and industry, living in gated communities and sending their kids to private schools, while the bulk of the poor, working poor and lower middle class people live in crime infested tenement style (or tar paper shack) housing. If you've ever driven through Panama, with the vast slums of tin roof shacks standing almost next door to the upscale condos towers, this is where I think we're headed. 

Add into that the number of guns Americans own, I don't think it's too far fetched that some of those masses of poor people start taking by force what they can't get any other way.

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

[thyme4change]

Aug 23, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If you (the generic you, as in anyone that does move) love the country, why would you move in retirement? I get buying a place elesewhere, but why leave the country entirely? 
We decided to have the other place for retirement to be here in the states. After all, it is all just a "place of peace" inside our heads. If you are flaming conservative it is in your head, if you are flaming liberal it is in your head. I just do not understand why you have to be in your head in a foreign place......
Last sentence above........some of us do believe we can only do it with Trump, me included, but I know one thing for sure, even if we elect a socialist in 2020, nothing radical will happen for decades. Most of it is just political shit for the masses. On both sides.
Bernie might try it, but we know he would not be able to pull off the shit he wants. All the others are basicilly posers. Except for maybe, the squad but until they run the Congress or the White House nothing changes

Not speaking for DJ, but I've also considered leaving the country, and I can explain why.

With the increasing gap in wealth between the rich and the poor, along with the projected loss of a lot of blue collar jobs (and some white collar jobs) that will come through improvements in robotics, as well as our refusal to address chronic issues like affordable housing, affordable day care and affordable medical coverage, I see us heading (if uncorrected) into being a country where some small percentage of the population owns most of the property and industry, living in gated communities and sending their kids to private schools, while the bulk of the poor, working poor and lower middle class people live in crime infested tenement style (or tar paper shack) housing. If you've ever driven through Panama, with the vast slums of tin roof shacks standing almost next door to the upscale condos towers, this is where I think we're headed. 

Add into that the number of guns Americans own, I don't think it's too far fetched that some of those masses of poor people start taking by force what they can't get any other way.

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

Perfect description of why I want some liberal policies. I could lose a little right now to higher taxes, or I could lose everything to angry poor people. Keep them just not-poor enough to keep them placated.

[happyhoix]

Aug 23, 2019 9:03:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Not speaking for DJ, but I've also considered leaving the country, and I can explain why.

With the increasing gap in wealth between the rich and the poor, along with the projected loss of a lot of blue collar jobs (and some white collar jobs) that will come through improvements in robotics, as well as our refusal to address chronic issues like affordable housing, affordable day care and affordable medical coverage, I see us heading (if uncorrected) into being a country where some small percentage of the population owns most of the property and industry, living in gated communities and sending their kids to private schools, while the bulk of the poor, working poor and lower middle class people live in crime infested tenement style (or tar paper shack) housing. If you've ever driven through Panama, with the vast slums of tin roof shacks standing almost next door to the upscale condos towers, this is where I think we're headed. 

Add into that the number of guns Americans own, I don't think it's too far fetched that some of those masses of poor people start taking by force what they can't get any other way.

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

Perfect description of why I want some liberal policies. I could lose a little right now to higher taxes, or I could lose everything to angry poor people. Keep them just not-poor enough to keep them placated.

I think the key is to make sure that everyone who has the ability is given the opportunity.

If it's clear the deck is stacked against you and all the opportunities are funneling to the rich and the kids and friends of the rich, while your best efforts aren't enough to provide you and your family with even the bare necessities, things will get ugly.  It always does.

[Tiny]

Aug 23, 2019 9:03:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Not speaking for DJ, but I've also considered leaving the country, and I can explain why.

With the increasing gap in wealth between the rich and the poor, along with the projected loss of a lot of blue collar jobs (and some white collar jobs) that will come through improvements in robotics, as well as our refusal to address chronic issues like affordable housing, affordable day care and affordable medical coverage, I see us heading (if uncorrected) into being a country where some small percentage of the population owns most of the property and industry, living in gated communities and sending their kids to private schools, while the bulk of the poor, working poor and lower middle class people live in crime infested tenement style (or tar paper shack) housing. If you've ever driven through Panama, with the vast slums of tin roof shacks standing almost next door to the upscale condos towers, this is where I think we're headed. 

Add into that the number of guns Americans own, I don't think it's too far fetched that some of those masses of poor people start taking by force what they can't get any other way.

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

Perfect description of why I want some liberal policies. I could lose a little right now to higher taxes, or I could lose everything to angry poor people. Keep them just not-poor enough to keep them placated.

Just a general comment to this "leave the country" discussion:  
Why not just move to one of the "poorest" States right here in America?   They have traditionally been Republican and it seems that the poor people there haven't revolted yet - and the wealthy there seem to have very nice lifestyles. 

[weltschmerz]

Aug 23, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 23, 2019 1:24:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I think about 80% of what you said is accurate and appropriate.  here is where we differ.

since 80% of all equities are owned by the top 10%, it is unlikely she is watching the stock market much.

the stock market tends to forecast economic trends. it is always looking ahead.

by the time the herd hits the street, it is too late. the market is already bear. so invest for the long haul, and get out anything you can't afford to lose. invest wisely for the long haul until then.

I think Democracy is a false construct.  there has never been a true democracy and there never will be.  we will probably never have another fair election in the US, and probably not many other places either.  I am not sure whether that was ever real, either, so no great loss.

find a place where you can be happy and move there.  people risked everything to come here, and you can risk everything to leave.

the world won't collapse because of Trump.  but it might die the death of 1000 cuts because of what follows.

and things might get better, too.  it all depends on what happens in 2020, imo.

If you (the generic you, as in anyone that does move) love the country, why would you move in retirement? I get buying a place elesewhere, but why leave the country entirely? 
We decided to have the other place for retirement to be here in the states. After all, it is all just a "place of peace" inside our heads. If you are flaming conservative it is in your head, if you are flaming liberal it is in your head. I just do not understand why you have to be in your head in a foreign place......
Last sentence above........some of us do believe we can only do it with Trump, me included, but I know one thing for sure, even if we elect a socialist in 2020, nothing radical will happen for decades. Most of it is just political shit for the masses. On both sides.
Bernie might try it, but we know he would not be able to pull off the shit he wants. All the others are basicilly posers. Except for maybe, the squad but until they run the Congress or the White House nothing changes

...because other countries have a much better quality of life. 


Here’s where the US stands compared to the rest of the world:



#10 most dangerous country for women



#27 in overall education (down from #17 in 2017)



#27 in human capital (level of education and health in a population — in 1990 the US was #6)



#12 in university degrees



#38 in quality of primary education



#38 in quality of math education

#24 in quality of science education



#125 in overall literacy



#47 in overall healthcare (down from #44 in 2017)



LAST in healthcare “efficiency, equity and outcomes”



#64 in life expectancy (down from #43 in 2017)



#34 healthiest country — includes life expectancy, causes of death, and health risks (high blood pressure, tobacco use, malnutrition, availability of clean water, etc.)



WORST rate of maternal death in the developed world



#26 in infant mortality rates



#47 in infant survival



#26 in child well-being



#25 in child poverty



#14 in per capita murders



#7 in quality of life



#80 in soundness of banks



#14 in availability of latest technology



#24 in internet access in schools



#19 in national satisfaction



#67 in slavery (yes that’s TODAY)



#30 in reliability of police services



#7 in broadband internet availability (even Korea ranks higher)



#33 in internet speed (even Romania ranks higher)



#23 in gender equality



#46 in freedom of the press (this was before trump — we’ll drop like a stone now)



#23 in housing



#24 in literacy



#17 in happiness



#8 in quality of older adult life



#99 in peacefulness



#24 in freedom from corruption (again this was before trump)



#9 in retirement security



#10 in economic freedom



#23 in wage distribution



#11 in minimum wage



#25 in GDP per capita



#7 in homicides



#12 in prosperity



#25 in overall infrastructure



#33 in quality of electricity supply



#99 in mobile telephone subscriptions



#20 in quality of roads



But the US ranks #1 or #2 in these things:



#1 in percentage of population in prison



#1 in teen pregnancies



#1 in CO2 emissions



#1 in gun deaths



#1 in drug overdose deaths



#1 in healthcare costs



#1 in small arms imports



#1 in rape



#1 in divorces



#1 heart attacks



#1 in total crimes



#1 in rate of income inequality in the developed world



#1 most unequal developed nation (as of 2019)



#2 in child poverty

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 11:37:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 9:03:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Perfect description of why I want some liberal policies. I could lose a little right now to higher taxes, or I could lose everything to angry poor people. Keep them just not-poor enough to keep them placated.

I think the key is to make sure that everyone who has the ability is given the opportunity.

If it's clear the deck is stacked against you and all the opportunities are funneling to the rich and the kids and friends of the rich, while your best efforts aren't enough to provide you and your family with even the bare necessities, things will get ugly.  It always does.

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

[weltschmerz]

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 23, 2019 11:37:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think the key is to make sure that everyone who has the ability is given the opportunity.

If it's clear the deck is stacked against you and all the opportunities are funneling to the rich and the kids and friends of the rich, while your best efforts aren't enough to provide you and your family with even the bare necessities, things will get ugly.  It always does.

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Was Warren Buffet a single parent with three kids? Try to get ahead when you can't even afford childcare.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 13:04:58 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Was Warren Buffet a single parent with three kids? Try to get ahead when you can't even afford childcare.

Let me trot out our own Miss Tequila, Shining example of what hard work, smart thinking, living within your means. determination, will get, even with kids!!

[happyhoix]

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 23, 2019 11:37:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think the key is to make sure that everyone who has the ability is given the opportunity.

If it's clear the deck is stacked against you and all the opportunities are funneling to the rich and the kids and friends of the rich, while your best efforts aren't enough to provide you and your family with even the bare necessities, things will get ugly.  It always does.

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Warren Buffet had a good start in life and began his business with money his parents gave him. He didn't start out with nothing - bad example of someone who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, OC.

I'm not saying everyone deserves to be rich. I'm saying every kid should get a safe place to live, enough decent food to not be hungry, and a good enough education they can go to trade school or college, if they have the ability.

Did you know 80% of prisoners in the US are illiterate? What percentage of those people do you think might have ended up working a job and supporting a family, if they'd been taught to read and write well?

Are they 100% responsible for being illiterate, or do we look at why our education system is failing so many kids?  Or why such a large percentage of poor minority guys get incarcerated for minor drug violations, when a larger percentage of white kids smoke pot?

 

[thyme4change]

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 23, 2019 11:37:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think the key is to make sure that everyone who has the ability is given the opportunity.

If it's clear the deck is stacked against you and all the opportunities are funneling to the rich and the kids and friends of the rich, while your best efforts aren't enough to provide you and your family with even the bare necessities, things will get ugly.  It always does.

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Warren Buffet went to college in 1947, and made his fortune in the 50's and 60's.

Statistically, upward economic mobility was much better during those decades than it is now. If we can get back to those levels, our country would be way, way better.

[happyhoix]

Aug 23, 2019 12:31:37 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Aug 23, 2019 9:03:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Perfect description of why I want some liberal policies. I could lose a little right now to higher taxes, or I could lose everything to angry poor people. Keep them just not-poor enough to keep them placated.

Just a general comment to this "leave the country" discussion:  
Why not just move to one of the "poorest" States right here in America?   They have traditionally been Republican and it seems that the poor people there haven't revolted yet - and the wealthy there seem to have very nice lifestyles. 

I live in the poorest county in a Southern state - rural, 98% white and about 85% Republicans. Yes, being a LCOL area, I can afford a much larger house than I could if I lived in a nearby urban area - but we're already kind of living like Panama, only instead of tar paper shacks with tin roofs, we have ancient single wides.

I'd rather retire to someplace where I was sure no one would become desperate enough to shoot me for what's in my fridge or my wallet. Right now, it's just the food stamp program and the church food pantry that's keeping that at bay.

 

 

 

[weltschmerz]

I'd be worried about "pulling myself up by my bootstraps" and starting a business to improve my lot in life. Say I'm selling widgets from China, because they don't make them in the US. Along comes a wanna-be monarch like Trump, ORDERING me to stop doing doing business with China.

WASHINGTON – Reacting to a new round of Chinese tariffs imposed on U.S. goods, President Donald Trump said Friday he "hereby ordered" U.S. companies to "start looking for an alternative to China" – and he pledged to respond formally within hours.



In a series of tweets posted before he flies to France for the G-7 meeting of world leaders – where the global economy and trade issues will take center stage – Trump blasted China's latest action and vowed to announce retaliatory moves soon.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/23/donald-trump-says-he-has-ordered-u-s-companies-avoid-china-trade/2095301001/

[dondub]

il Duce has spoken!

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Trump has no authority to make companies come back here or find alternatives to dealing with China. He blames the fed for holding the stock market back yet it's his policies and remarks that cause the recent down market. Obviously he learned nothing about finance at Wharton? 

[weltschmerz]

Aug 23, 2019 15:41:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Trump has no authority to make companies come back here or find alternatives to dealing with China. He blames the fed for holding the stock market back yet it's his policies and remarks that cause the recent down market. Obviously he learned nothing about finance at Wharton? 

He was a poor student, according to his professors, despite his ridiculous claims that he's the best at everything.

[Value Buy]

Aug 23, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If you (the generic you, as in anyone that does move) love the country, why would you move in retirement? I get buying a place elesewhere, but why leave the country entirely? 
We decided to have the other place for retirement to be here in the states. After all, it is all just a "place of peace" inside our heads. If you are flaming conservative it is in your head, if you are flaming liberal it is in your head. I just do not understand why you have to be in your head in a foreign place......
Last sentence above........some of us do believe we can only do it with Trump, me included, but I know one thing for sure, even if we elect a socialist in 2020, nothing radical will happen for decades. Most of it is just political shit for the masses. On both sides.
Bernie might try it, but we know he would not be able to pull off the shit he wants. All the others are basicilly posers. Except for maybe, the squad but until they run the Congress or the White House nothing changes

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

I just want to respond to this part of your post.
1, What country would that be?
2, If U.S. goes down as you think it might would your country of choice survive as is, or become a border wall country keeping everyone out. If they could do it......

[happyhoix]

Aug 23, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 23, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

It makes sense to me to consider moving to a country that has already figured out how to provide basic healthcare, affordable housing, quality daycare and a good education to the majority of their residents, not just the wealthy ones. 

I just want to respond to this part of your post.
1, What country would that be?
2, If U.S. goes down as you think it might would your country of choice survive as is, or become a border wall country keeping everyone out. If they could do it......

1) Pretty much every first world country has figured out a way to provide basic medical care (except us) and there are many countries who provide a much better public education program than we do. I think it's Finland that pays it's teachers so well, there is an intense competition to see who will get the teaching jobs, and only the really stellar teachers get hired, so they get stellar results. I'd have to do some research on which countries are doing a good job providing low income housing, I only know it's not us.

2) Depends on your definition of the US going down - are we going down with a bang or a whimper?  Just a gradual deflating of our standard of living and international influence until some other country steps up and takes over our mantle as the world's leading democracy, or do we go out with riots and terrorism and stolen military weapons (Mad Max style)? Option one wouldn't destabilize the rest of the world, option 2 would.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Warren Buffet had a good start in life and began his business with money his parents gave him. He didn't start out with nothing - bad example of someone who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, OC.

I'm not saying everyone deserves to be rich. I'm saying every kid should get a safe place to live, enough decent food to not be hungry, and a good enough education they can go to trade school or college, if they have the ability.

Did you know 80% of prisoners in the US are illiterate? What percentage of those people do you think might have ended up working a job and supporting a family, if they'd been taught to read and write well?

Are they 100% responsible for being illiterate, or do we look at why our education system is failing so many kids?  Or why such a large percentage of poor minority guys get incarcerated for minor drug violations, when a larger percentage of white kids smoke pot?

 

Did Buffet start out as a millionaire?

[OldCoyote]

If they are illiterate, whose fault is that?

The kids?

The parents?

The teachers?

[Tennesseer]

Aug 23, 2019 17:34:29 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Warren Buffet had a good start in life and began his business with money his parents gave him. He didn't start out with nothing - bad example of someone who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, OC.

I'm not saying everyone deserves to be rich. I'm saying every kid should get a safe place to live, enough decent food to not be hungry, and a good enough education they can go to trade school or college, if they have the ability.

Did you know 80% of prisoners in the US are illiterate? What percentage of those people do you think might have ended up working a job and supporting a family, if they'd been taught to read and write well?

Are they 100% responsible for being illiterate, or do we look at why our education system is failing so many kids?  Or why such a large percentage of poor minority guys get incarcerated for minor drug violations, when a larger percentage of white kids smoke pot?

 

Did Buffet start out as a millionaire?

He sure had help.  His dad was a former U.S. congressional rep and founded the investment business,  Buffett-Falk & Co, of which Warren began working at the age of 21.  

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Warren Buffet had a good start in life and began his business with money his parents gave him. He didn't start out with nothing - bad example of someone who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, OC.

I'm not saying everyone deserves to be rich. I'm saying every kid should get a safe place to live, enough decent food to not be hungry, and a good enough education they can go to trade school or college, if they have the ability.

Did you know 80% of prisoners in the US are illiterate? What percentage of those people do you think might have ended up working a job and supporting a family, if they'd been taught to read and write well?

Are they 100% responsible for being illiterate, or do we look at why our education system is failing so many kids?  Or why such a large percentage of poor minority guys get incarcerated for minor drug violations, when a larger percentage of white kids smoke pot?

 

Happyhoix, you can't save everyone, most don't want to to be saved, 

Don't believe me?

How many time did you give great advice to one of these kids, they listened to you did what you said?

How many did you give great advice to , they went straight back to doing the same thing?

been there, been there, been there, did that!!  many time, only to watch them go right back to their old ways.  I have shoveled tons of money at the problem children, for nothing!

[thyme4change]

Very few people hear one person say one thing and suddenly their entire perception of the world, and themselves, changes to a point that the trajectory is forever altered. We only invest in kids that are already on their way, and we invest all day every day for years and years (18 - 25 years), and then when they are successful they say "I did it all on my own."

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 17:46:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 23, 2019 17:34:29 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Did Buffet start out as a millionaire?

He sure had help.  His dad was a former U.S. congressional rep and founded the investment business,  Buffett-Falk & Co, of which Warren began working at the age of 21.  

Warren was delivering newspaper as a young kid, work ethic!!

Work ethic, strange thing, as a boss, you recognize it almost instantly, the reason is we see it so seldom.

Show up on time, do more than expected, act like you care about your job!

[weltschmerz]

Aug 23, 2019 16:31:08 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 23, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I just want to respond to this part of your post.
1, What country would that be?
2, If U.S. goes down as you think it might would your country of choice survive as is, or become a border wall country keeping everyone out. If they could do it......

1) Pretty much every first world country has figured out a way to provide basic medical care (except us) and there are many countries who provide a much better public education program than we do. I think it's Finland that pays it's teachers so well, there is an intense competition to see who will get the teaching jobs, and only the really stellar teachers get hired, so they get stellar results. I'd have to do some research on which countries are doing a good job providing low income housing, I only know it's not us.

2) Depends on your definition of the US going down - are we going down with a bang or a whimper?  Just a gradual deflating of our standard of living and international influence until some other country steps up and takes over our mantle as the world's leading democracy, or do we go out with riots and terrorism and stolen military weapons (Mad Max style)? Option one wouldn't destabilize the rest of the world, option 2 would.

Canada doesn't even have food stamps.   Don't need 'em.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 23, 2019 13:43:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:00:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

How rich do you want to be, it is out there, if you want to be rich, you have all the opportunity you need.

I can supply you with a long list,

Warren Buffet, started with nothing,, is he rich enough for you?

You do need a bunch of stuff given to you. fact is if it is given to you you are more likely to fail.  check out Lottery winners.

Here is another one I listen to almost every day,

Dave Ramsey, Listen to him get rich!

Warren Buffet went to college in 1947, and made his fortune in the 50's and 60's.

Statistically, upward economic mobility was much better during those decades than it is now. If we can get back to those levels, our country would be way, way better.

You have a much better chance today than ever before.

[weltschmerz]

Aug 23, 2019 18:09:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 23, 2019 13:43:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Warren Buffet went to college in 1947, and made his fortune in the 50's and 60's.

Statistically, upward economic mobility was much better during those decades than it is now. If we can get back to those levels, our country would be way, way better.

You have a much better chance today than ever before.

Please provide the supporting data.