Parkland Students, Want New Laws.

[OldCoyote]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-students-unveil-sweeping-gun-control-proposal-and-hope-for-a-youth-voting-surge-in-2020/ar-AAG76We?ocid=spartandhp

Let's take a minute look at these proposals,

Notice any similarities between these and the Nazi campaign of the 1030's?

Gun and gun owner registration, even gun confiscation. What is next round up gun owners, detain them for their own safety,

Isn't that what Hitler did?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Both Trump and Hitler waged war on the idea of objective truth, relentlessly disseminating a pastiche of lies and half-truths designed to persuade a populist jury of the Leader’s distorted version of reality. Hitler coined the term “lugenpresse” (lying press) to castigate the mainstream newspapers bent on exposing his lies. Trump insists that he is the target of “fake news” invented by a lying mainstream press. Hitler derided scientific experts who disagreed with his crackpot racial and economic theories. Trump attacks climate scientists and economists who disagree with his policies.

forward.com/opinion/425683/take-it-from-a-civil-liberties-professor-trump-and-hitler-have-a-lot-in/

[thyme4change]

Can we go back to that rule that the first person to use Hitler in a current events argument automatically loses? Both sides have overplayed this piece of history. It has lost all meaning.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 21, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-students-unveil-sweeping-gun-control-proposal-and-hope-for-a-youth-voting-surge-in-2020/ar-AAG76We?ocid=spartandhp

Let's take a minute look at these proposals,

Notice any similarities between these and the Nazi campaign of the 1030's?

Gun and gun owner registration, even gun confiscation. What is next round up gun owners, detain them for their own safety,

Isn't that what Hitler did?

It's at least a starting point.

What are your recommendations to stopping the senseless slaughter of innocent children and adults?

[billisonboard]

Aug 21, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-students-unveil-sweeping-gun-control-proposal-and-hope-for-a-youth-voting-surge-in-2020/ar-AAG76We?ocid=spartandhp

Let's take a minute look at these proposals,

Notice any similarities between these and the Nazi campaign of the 1030's?

Gun and gun owner registration, even gun confiscation. What is next round up gun owners, detain them for their own safety,

Isn't that what Hitler did?

Nazi gun control argument

[Deleted]

There are plenty of conspiracy theories on Hitler faking his death and the Wolfenstein games about The Nazis winning WW2 are amazing to play but this is the first I have heard about Hitler and time travel, I’m very intrigued and would love to see a movie or video game about Hitler traveling back to the 1030’s and conquering the planet in that time period.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 21, 2019 9:42:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 21, 2019 8:35:19 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-students-unveil-sweeping-gun-control-proposal-and-hope-for-a-youth-voting-surge-in-2020/ar-AAG76We?ocid=spartandhp

Let's take a minute look at these proposals,

Notice any similarities between these and the Nazi campaign of the 1030's?

Gun and gun owner registration, even gun confiscation. What is next round up gun owners, detain them for their own safety,

Isn't that what Hitler did?

Nazi gun control argument

Few German citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms in Germany in the 1930s.[2] The Weimar Republic had strict gun control laws.[8] When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing firearm ownership for Nazi party members and the military.[5]:672 The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws systematically disarmed "unreliable" persons , especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for so-called "ordinary" German citizens.[5]:670,676 The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.[9]:533,536

We are now coming into the all gun owners are "Unreliable",, yes they have to be out of their minds to own such weapons, there you have it!!

As every Democrat Presidential candidate has said, if elected, I will start confiscation,,  Only being political correct, calling it banned!!

[billisonboard]

Aug 21, 2019 9:50:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 21, 2019 9:42:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nazi gun control argument

Few German citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms in Germany in the 1930s.[2] The Weimar Republic had strict gun control laws.[8] When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing firearm ownership for Nazi party members and the military.[5]:672 The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws systematically disarmed "unreliable" persons , especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for so-called "ordinary" German citizens.[5]:670,676 The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.[9]:533,536

We are now coming into the all gun owners are "Unreliable",, yes they have to be out of their minds to own such weapons, there you have it!!

As every Democrat Presidential candidate has said, if elected, I will start confiscation,,  Only being political correct, calling it banned!!

Yes, not much similarity.

[OldCoyote]

The kids go farther. a lot further.

Gun owner registration,

all guns registered,

gun confiscation.

So what is the next move after we now know who has the guns, How about Gun Owner Protection Program,  Moving all gun owner into protective environment  for their own good.

Hmmm, what about all the property that they owned,, the will no longer need it,,

The new Society will call it Wealth distribution,,

Sure sound like Nazi Germany 1930's

Maybe you can explain it differently

[OldCoyote]

Aug 21, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 21, 2019 9:50:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Few German citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms in Germany in the 1930s.[2] The Weimar Republic had strict gun control laws.[8] When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing firearm ownership for Nazi party members and the military.[5]:672 The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws systematically disarmed "unreliable" persons , especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for so-called "ordinary" German citizens.[5]:670,676 The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.[9]:533,536

We are now coming into the all gun owners are "Unreliable",, yes they have to be out of their minds to own such weapons, there you have it!!

As every Democrat Presidential candidate has said, if elected, I will start confiscation,,  Only being political correct, calling it banned!!

Yes, not much similarity.

Out of curiosity bills, What is different between banning , buy back program Like $5 a gun, if you don't comply, prison, and confiscation?

[OldCoyote]

Since "Rights" have extreme value,, what are my "Right's" worth. $1000, a gun, $10,000 a gun,  Maybe $ 100,000 a gun!

Now if we are talking $100,000 a gun.. I might be willing to relinquish a few guns!

[billisonboard]

Aug 21, 2019 10:02:37 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 21, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yes, not much similarity.

Out of curiosity bills, What is different between banning , buy back program Like $5 a gun, if you don't comply, prison, and confiscation?

Banning prevents an action. A buy back program impacts previous action. Any other questions?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Aug 21, 2019 9:59:44 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The kids go farther. a lot further.

Gun owner registration,  (auto owner registration - driver licenses)

all guns registered, (all vehicles registered)

gun confiscation. (revocation of drivers license if in violation of laws) 

Sounds like we already have similar laws in place for 1 ton plus weapons. Note that vehicles don't kill people, people in the vehicles kill people.

So what is the next move after we now know who has the guns, How about Gun Owner Protection Program,  Moving all gun owner into protective environment  for their own good.

Hmmm, what about all the property that they owned,, the will no longer need it,,

The new Society will call it Wealth distribution,,

Sure sound like Nazi Germany 1930's

Maybe you can explain it differently

[billisonboard]

Aug 21, 2019 10:09:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Since "Rights" have extreme value,, what are my "Right's" worth. $1000, a gun, $10,000 a gun,  Maybe $ 100,000 a gun!

Now if we are talking $100,000 a gun.. I might be willing to relinquish a few guns!

A man asks a woman "Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?" She responds with "Yes". He then asks "Will you sleep with me for a dollar?" Her response, "What kind of woman do you think I am?" The man says "We have established that. Now we are just negotiating price."

[OldCoyote]

Or those of you that want to relieve me of extremely valuable "Right's".

What extremely valuable "Right's" are you willing to lose? since gun "Right's" mean nothing to you, there is no value in that for you to give up,

It has to have extreme value,, say your First Amendment Rights,

Now we are cooking you give up your first Amendment "Right's" and We will concider giving up our Second Amendant "Right's"

You go first!

[OldCoyote]

Aug 21, 2019 10:15:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 21, 2019 10:09:07 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Since "Rights" have extreme value,, what are my "Right's" worth. $1000, a gun, $10,000 a gun,  Maybe $ 100,000 a gun!

Now if we are talking $100,000 a gun.. I might be willing to relinquish a few guns!

A man asks a woman "Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?" She responds with "Yes". He then asks "Will you sleep with me for a dollar?" Her response, "What kind of woman do you think I am?" The man says "We have established that. Now we are just negotiating price."

That good bills.

[OldCoyote]

I'm late, I am late, off to work people are hollering at me.

See you this evening,

[happyhoix]

Every other first world country has some form of gun control regulations, except us. In most cases, it allows hunting rifles, hand guns have to be registered, and military style assault weapons are banned, except for use by the military and police.

Following your logic, every first world country would be just like Nazi Germany.

Yet they aren't. Why do you think that is?

[NastyWoman]

Aug 21, 2019 10:16:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Or those of you that want to relieve me of extremely valuable "Right's".

What extremely valuable "Right's" are you willing to lose? since gun "Right's" mean nothing to you, there is no value in that for you to give up,

It has to have extreme value,, say your First Amendment Rights,

Now we are cooking you give up your first Amendment "Right's" and We will concider giving up our Second Amendant "Right's"

You go first!

Why are you making the argument for "the other side" so to speak by dragging in the First Amendment?

"Despite the broad freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment, there are some historically rooted exceptions. First, the government may generally restrict the time, place, or manner of speech, if the restrictions are unrelated to what the speech says and leave people with enough alternative ways of expressing their views. Thus, for instance, the government may restrict the use of loudspeakers in residential areas at night, limit all demonstrations that block traffic, or ban all picketing of people’s homes.

Second, a few narrow categories of speech are not protected from government restrictions. The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. As the Supreme Court held in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the government may forbid “incitement”—speech “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action” and “likely to incite or produce such action” (such as a speech to a mob urging it to attack a nearby building). But speech urging action at some unspecified future time may not be forbidden.

Defamatory lies (which are called “libel” if written and “slander” if spoken), lying under oath, and fraud may also be punished. In some instances, even negligent factual errors may lead to lawsuits. Such exceptions, however, extend only to factual falsehoods; expression of opinion may not be punished even if the opinion is broadly seen as morally wrong. ..."

www.britannica.com/topic/First-Amendment/Permissible-restrictions-on-expression

And don't try to defend shouting "fire" in a full theater. That may not end so well for you either.

[OldCoyote]

Some one should have yelled fire at Aurora.

[moon/Laura]

Aug 21, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Some one should have yelled fire at Aurora.

Huh? How would that have helped anything?

I seriously think you have lost it on this whole gun thing. No one I know has said *anything* about banning ALL guns. But there is no reason whatsoever why assault rifles shouldn't be banned. None. The average citizen doesn't need one. And certainly we need better checks before other guns are sold. If you think otherwise, then what, pray tell, is your solution to curbing all these mass shootings?

[OldCoyote]

Aug 21, 2019 19:14:14 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Aug 21, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Some one should have yelled fire at Aurora.

Huh? How would that have helped anything?

I seriously think you have lost it on this whole gun thing. No one I know has said *anything* about banning ALL guns. But there is no reason whatsoever why assault rifles shouldn't be banned. None. The average citizen doesn't need one. And certainly we need better checks before other guns are sold. If you think otherwise, then what, pray tell, is your solution to curbing all these mass shootings?

Here Moon, a article about some one wanting to buy a gun.

www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8

Interesting reading for some one that thinks laws are too lax.

as far as the guns go,Yes they are going to try to ban guns, first, will be the Hi cap mags, the Democrats have a bill before the house right now.

Then the look like Assault rifles, then, all semi automatic guns,  hand guns and rifles.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 21, 2019 19:14:14 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Aug 21, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Some one should have yelled fire at Aurora.

Huh? How would that have helped anything?

I seriously think you have lost it on this whole gun thing. No one I know has said *anything* about banning ALL guns. But there is no reason whatsoever why assault rifles shouldn't be banned. None. The average citizen doesn't need one. And certainly we need better checks before other guns are sold. If you think otherwise, then what, pray tell, is your solution to curbing all these mass shootings?

Maybe some of the people would have run out before the actual shooting started.

[OldCoyote]

Read the business insider article.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 21, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Some one should have yelled fire at Aurora.

Shouting "Fire!" would have prevented the shootings how according to what went down.

"Holmes then went to his car, which was parked near the exit door, changed into protective clothing, and retrieved his guns.[9][10] About 30 minutes into the movie, police say, around 12:30 a.m.,[11] he reentered the theater through the exit door. He was dressed in black and wore a gas mask, a load-bearing vest (not to be confused with a bulletproof vest), a ballistic helmet, bullet-resistant leggings, a bullet-resistant throat protector, a groin protector, and tactical gloves.[12] He was also listening to techno music through a set of headphones so the reactions in the theater could not be heard.[13] Initially, few in the audience considered Holmes to be a threat. According to witnesses, he appeared to be wearing a costume, like other audience members who had dressed up for the screening. Some believed he was playing a prank,[14] while others thought he was part of a special effects installation setup for the film's premiere or a publicity stunt by the studio or theater management.[15]


It was reported that Holmes threw two canisters emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation.[16] He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[17] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which eventually malfunctioned.[17][18][19] Finally, he fired a .40-caliber Glock 22 Gen4 handgun.[20][21] He shot first to the back of the room, and then toward people in the aisles.[15] A bullet passed through the wall and hit three people in the adjacent theater 8, which was screening the same film.[2][5] Witnesses said the multiplex's fire alarm system began sounding soon after the attack began and staff told people in Theater 8 to evacuate.[22]One witness said she was hesitant to leave because someone yelled that someone was shooting in the lobby.[23]"

Aurora shooting

[thyme4change]

Aug 21, 2019 19:25:33 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Aug 21, 2019 19:14:14 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Huh? How would that have helped anything?

I seriously think you have lost it on this whole gun thing. No one I know has said *anything* about banning ALL guns. But there is no reason whatsoever why assault rifles shouldn't be banned. None. The average citizen doesn't need one. And certainly we need better checks before other guns are sold. If you think otherwise, then what, pray tell, is your solution to curbing all these mass shootings?

Here Moon, a article about some one wanting to buy a gun.

www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8

Interesting reading for some one that thinks laws are too lax.

as far as the guns go,Yes they are going to try to ban guns, first, will be the Hi cap mags, the Democrats have a bill before the house right now.

Then the look like Assault rifles, then, all semi automatic guns,  hand guns and rifles.

a) Not an interesting read

b) Has NOTHING to do with laws, just Walmart Policies

c) Sounds no worse than stories about trying to vote while non-white

d) So what? If someone has to wait 2 or 3 days to get a gun, that doesn't bother me even a little. If you are going hunting or shooting, plan ahead a few days.

[OldCoyote]

Aug 22, 2019 8:59:08 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 21, 2019 19:25:33 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Here Moon, a article about some one wanting to buy a gun.

www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8

Interesting reading for some one that thinks laws are too lax.

as far as the guns go,Yes they are going to try to ban guns, first, will be the Hi cap mags, the Democrats have a bill before the house right now.

Then the look like Assault rifles, then, all semi automatic guns,  hand guns and rifles.

a) Not an interesting read

b) Has NOTHING to do with laws, just Walmart Policies

c) Sounds no worse than stories about trying to vote while non-white

d) So what? If someone has to wait 2 or 3 days to get a gun, that doesn't bother me even a little. If you are going hunting or shooting, plan ahead a few days.

A) Why not? because she went in thinking that it was real EZ to get a gun,, like almost no check at all,,

B) Has everything to do with the law, every one that sell guns are afraid if they make the smallest mistake or no mistake at all.

if they sell to the wrong person,,even if that person passed all the checks, every liberal news media camera, will be there trying to shove a "Mike" up your nose!

C) Hmmmm what happened to the Two Obama supporters that were guarding the polls with their clubs,,, that had their DOJ charges disappear into thin air??

D)  was is wrong with a law biding citizen getting their gun in 15 minutes if they passed all the FBI background checks?

[swamp]

The Parkland kids got shot at and watched their friends die.  

I don't see why you would be so harsh on them.   

[moon/Laura]

because he thinks it's his right to own an assault weapon that no regular citizen fucking needs.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Aug 22, 2019 14:14:39 GMT -5 swamp said:

The Parkland kids got shot at and watched their friends die.  

I don't see why you would be so harsh on them.   

Because they are young people and they are organizing.  If they can keep it together to the voting booth they heavily outnumber people Old's age.

So we need to discredit them and be as dismissive/nasty as we can now so hopefully they give up and go home.