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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 18, 2019 23:45:10 GMT -5
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down.What IS going down over there? Why do you have so many crazies? There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say. Authorities this weekend announced they had foiled three potential mass shootings after arresting three men in different states who expressed interest in or threatened to carry them out. All three cases were brought to authorities' attention thanks to tips from the public. www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/us/three-potential-attacks-foiled/index.html
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 8:39:34 GMT -5
Here is the question, Did they have the ability to carry out these threats, or are they being arrested of their thoughts? Sheriff Joe had someone arrested for threatening him online,, several states away when the person had no means to get to Joe, No car, no money.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 19, 2019 9:19:12 GMT -5
Here is the question, Did they have the ability to carry out these threats, or are they being arrested of their thoughts? Sheriff Joe had someone arrested for threatening him online,, several states away when the person had no means to get to Joe, No car, no money.
Everyone had the ability to carry out these threats. And everyone in the future will have the ability to carry out their threats. Whether they will be successful or not is another story.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 19, 2019 9:25:37 GMT -5
Here is the question, Did they have the ability to carry out these threats, or are they being arrested of their thoughts? Sheriff Joe had someone arrested for threatening him online,, several states away when the person had no means to get to Joe, No car, no money.
Well one of them was arrested in front of a Winn Dixie yesterday, or maybe Saturday after posting his plans......? If these MFK'ERS POST THE SHIT ON social media, they have to be checked out. If it is actually all talk and no actual attack, great. You cannot scream fire! even on social media, Not sure which guy it was, but he mentioned Jews and a Synagogue as a potential target...... I do not want guns taken from law abiding citizens, so it looks like we have no choice but to turn it over to the thought police, and check the mental cases out. I do not like that. but, we have to do something. Now the truth is, even these mental cases wil soon learn not to post their plans publicly until they are in the parking lot, or park, etc before pulling the trigger........ Look at Friday. You had a crazy from Virginia putting the rice cookers in three spots in NYC, thankfully not lined with explosives, but if he had gone social media first, he might have been stopped before doing anything.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 9:28:20 GMT -5
The way it was explained to me by a police officer, The can scream all the "threats" they want, if they don't have a physical means to carry it out, means nothing. A example, I can not shoot some one standing across the street from me because he was screaming threats at me, If they have no means or a way to carry out the threat!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2019 9:30:26 GMT -5
I am sure they have the means to carry it out.
what I am LESS sure of is whether this red flag crap has any legal basis.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 9:30:28 GMT -5
Here is the question, Did they have the ability to carry out these threats, or are they being arrested of their thoughts? Sheriff Joe had someone arrested for threatening him online,, several states away when the person had no means to get to Joe, No car, no money.
Well one of them was arrested in front of a Winn Dixie yesterday, or maybe Saturday after posting his plans......? If these MFK'ERS POST THE SHIT ON social media, they have to be checked out. If it is actually all talk and no actual attack, great. You cannot scream fire! even on social media, Not sure which guy it was, but he mentioned Jews and a Synagogue as a potential target...... I do not want guns taken from law abiding citizens, so it looks like we have no choice but to turn it over to the thought police, and check the mental cases out. I do not like that. but, we have to do something. Now the truth is, even these mental cases wil soon learn not to post their plans publicly until they are in the parking lot, or park, etc before pulling the trigger........ Look at Friday. You had a crazy from Virginia putting the rice cookers in three spots in NYC, thankfully not lined with explosives, but if he had gone social media first, he might have been stopped before doing anything. The rice cooker posed no threat, not packed with explosives.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 9:35:13 GMT -5
I am sure they have the means to carry it out. what I am LESS sure of is whether this red flag crap has any legal basis. Let's use Dezii as an example, Sorry Dezii,
Dezii has said because of health reason he is pretty much stuck at home, on the East Coast, Dezii threatens OldCoyote, He is going to shoot OldCoyote( Which he deserves),
But Dezii has no means to carry out his threat,, Should we arrest Dezii? Hell ya!!
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 19, 2019 9:35:20 GMT -5
Well one of them was arrested in front of a Winn Dixie yesterday, or maybe Saturday after posting his plans......? If these MFK'ERS POST THE SHIT ON social media, they have to be checked out. If it is actually all talk and no actual attack, great. You cannot scream fire! even on social media, Not sure which guy it was, but he mentioned Jews and a Synagogue as a potential target...... I do not want guns taken from law abiding citizens, so it looks like we have no choice but to turn it over to the thought police, and check the mental cases out. I do not like that. but, we have to do something. Now the truth is, even these mental cases wil soon learn not to post their plans publicly until they are in the parking lot, or park, etc before pulling the trigger........ Look at Friday. You had a crazy from Virginia putting the rice cookers in three spots in NYC, thankfully not lined with explosives, but if he had gone social media first, he might have been stopped before doing anything. The rice cooker posed no threat, not packed with explosives. I do not prefer mental cases screwing with everday Americans fears of terrorism or mass shootings. You know I seldom agree with Tenn or Weltz, but damn, what is right is right on this shitty issue. If these guys are not actually going to carry out their threats, that outcome will be figured out. If legitimate threats are proved, gun confiscation and jail time.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 19, 2019 9:37:47 GMT -5
Well one of them was arrested in front of a Winn Dixie yesterday, or maybe Saturday after posting his plans......? If these MFK'ERS POST THE SHIT ON social media, they have to be checked out. If it is actually all talk and no actual attack, great. You cannot scream fire! even on social media, Not sure which guy it was, but he mentioned Jews and a Synagogue as a potential target...... I do not want guns taken from law abiding citizens, so it looks like we have no choice but to turn it over to the thought police, and check the mental cases out. I do not like that. but, we have to do something. Now the truth is, even these mental cases wil soon learn not to post their plans publicly until they are in the parking lot, or park, etc before pulling the trigger........ Look at Friday. You had a crazy from Virginia putting the rice cookers in three spots in NYC, thankfully not lined with explosives, but if he had gone social media first, he might have been stopped before doing anything. The rice cooker posed no threat, not packed with explosives. As usual.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 9:41:12 GMT -5
Ahhh Tenn is scared of ghosts, go hide in the basement!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 19, 2019 9:49:44 GMT -5
You really don't get it. Their presence was to instill fear in people. The threat of violence. Part of what terrorism is.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 19, 2019 9:59:04 GMT -5
And isn't that "fear" the same reason people want to carry guns "for protection"? It's implied that having a gun (even a concealed one) causes fear for anyone who is thinking of doing the (potential) gun holder harm. I know that's not 'terrorism' but it is relying on fear and/or a threat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2019 10:23:34 GMT -5
I am sure they have the means to carry it out. what I am LESS sure of is whether this red flag crap has any legal basis. Let's use Dezii as an example, Sorry Dezii,
Dezii has said because of health reason he is pretty much stuck at home, on the East Coast, Dezii threatens OldCoyote, He is going to shoot OldCoyote( Which he deserves),
But Dezii has no means to carry out his threat,, Should we arrest Dezii? Hell ya!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimidation
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 19, 2019 12:27:43 GMT -5
You really don't get it. Their presence was to instill fear in people. The threat of violence. Part of what terrorism is. Additionally, what would be another purpose for scattering rice cookers around? How do we know this wasn't a trial run to see if said rice cookers could be loaded and placed and avoid notice long enough to create havoc?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 13:58:00 GMT -5
Let's use Dezii as an example, Sorry Dezii,
Dezii has said because of health reason he is pretty much stuck at home, on the East Coast, Dezii threatens OldCoyote, He is going to shoot OldCoyote( Which he deserves),
But Dezii has no means to carry out his threat,, Should we arrest Dezii? Hell ya!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntimidationCowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 14:06:28 GMT -5
Rice coolers, how many people have been killed by rice cookers? do we need to ban them? Seriously are you all that afraid, going out?? You are probably more likely a cop will shoot you, than get blown up with a rice cooker. Note, a rice cooker unless it seals up like a pressure cooker it won't make much of a bomb. especially if it has nothing in it.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2019 14:08:57 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
When a person makes the type of threats that this person did, I have no problem with arresting him and then sorting out his ability to effectively carry out his expressed desires.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 19, 2019 14:13:30 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Owns no guns - yet. 300million guns or so in the USA. Not hard to get hold of guns.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 14:15:06 GMT -5
Death threat with an empty rice cooker, man arrested, Then what do you think the charge for this should be? Phoenix Police leave explosives unattended, then lost at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport!!
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 19, 2019 14:23:17 GMT -5
Death threat with an empty rice cooker, man arrested, Then what do you think the charge for this should be? Phoenix Police leave explosives unattended, then lost at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport!! Citation for the Phoenix explosives, please. I did a quick search, and found something from 2011 in a forum called "Godlike Productions". As for the rice cooker, maybe charges related to making terroristic threats.
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Post by steff on Aug 19, 2019 14:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2019 15:12:08 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
are we discussing this between us, or do you think I support red flag laws? because I clearly stated that I am not sure they have a legal basis.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 19, 2019 15:18:11 GMT -5
Well one of them was arrested in front of a Winn Dixie yesterday, or maybe Saturday after posting his plans......? If these MFK'ERS POST THE SHIT ON social media, they have to be checked out. If it is actually all talk and no actual attack, great. You cannot scream fire! even on social media, Not sure which guy it was, but he mentioned Jews and a Synagogue as a potential target...... I do not want guns taken from law abiding citizens, so it looks like we have no choice but to turn it over to the thought police, and check the mental cases out. I do not like that. but, we have to do something. Now the truth is, even these mental cases wil soon learn not to post their plans publicly until they are in the parking lot, or park, etc before pulling the trigger........ Look at Friday. You had a crazy from Virginia putting the rice cookers in three spots in NYC, thankfully not lined with explosives, but if he had gone social media first, he might have been stopped before doing anything. The rice cooker posed no threat, not packed with explosives. Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 19, 2019 15:29:23 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. She's watching you.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2019 15:30:40 GMT -5
... Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. ... Volusia County Sheriff Michael Chitwood said on CNN Sunday that authorities had recovered a .22-caliber hunting rifle and 400 rounds of ammo in Wix's apartment. Wix had initially told investigators he did not own any firearms but that he was fascinated with mass shootings, the sheriff's office said. link
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 19, 2019 15:55:40 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
YOU'RE the one who keeps crowing about how easy it is to get a gun. If these whack-jobs want guns, they'll get guns.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 19, 2019 17:44:03 GMT -5
Nothing says white nationalist like stating in a National Geographic documentary you want a white homeland. Man accused of threatening an Ohio Jewish center declared himself a white nationalist in a documentary, police sayThe man accused of threatening to shoot up a Jewish community center in Youngstown, Ohio, once appeared in a documentary on the Unite the Right rally, where he acknowledged being a white nationalist, police say. New Middletown Police Chief Vincent D'Egidio confirmed it is James Reardon, then 18, who appears in the 2017 National Geographic documentary about the Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The chief has known Reardon since he was younger and recognized his face, he said. In the documentary, Reardon tells an interviewer that he doesn't consider himself a neo-Nazi, but he is a white nationalist and a member of the alt-right. "I want a homeland for white people, and I think every race should have a homeland," Reardon said. He went on to say there's a "demographic decline" going on not only in the US, but in Europe as well. Complete article here: Man accused of threatening an Ohio Jewish center declared himself a white nationalist in a documentary, police say
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 23:10:24 GMT -5
Death threat with an empty rice cooker, man arrested, Then what do you think the charge for this should be? Phoenix Police leave explosives unattended, then lost at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport!! Citation for the Phoenix explosives, please. I did a quick search, and found something from 2011 in a forum called "Godlike Productions". As for the rice cooker, maybe charges related to making terroristic threats. Since it was a police screw up, it disappeared off the news screen pretty fast.
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