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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 19:18:17 GMT -5
OC, why the fuck do you think I'm unhappy because I'm poor?
First of all, I'm not unhappy. Hence my screen name. My life is actually really good, in every sense, including financially. DH and I have zero debt, and are shoveling close to 50% of our income into various savings/retirement accounts, which are over the 1M mark. So keep your silly advice on being happy while broke to yourself, it's insulting.
Here's the difference between you and me - read carefully now, because I'm trying to help you see why I get disgusted on this board. I believe everything I have is due to the country I was born into, the parents I was born to, the teachers that taught me along the way, my family members who encouraged or challenged me along the way, and the opportunities that opened up because I worked hard - but also, because I was lucky to be the right person at the right time in the right place so when that door opened, I was there to walk through it.
I realize how blessed I am to have what I have, how little I deserve it, and how many other people did not have all the opportunities I had.
So I have empathy for those I feel got left behind, knowing I could very easily have been one of them.
Now compare that to yourself, and how you bragged about how you made it good for yourself, and no one gave you anything. You are 100% wrong. Your parents supported you. The schools you went to educated you. The country you were born into gave you the opportunity to be a businesses owner, the infrastructure to support your business, and to support the businesses of the people who buy your product. Sure you worked hard, but you didn't work in a vacuum.
You have zero empathy for anyone else, because you believe everyone else just didn't try hard enough. I can assure you, where are plenty of people who worked harder than you, who tried harder than you, but who weren't born into a family like yours, in a community like yours, in a country like our country that encourages it's citizens to be successful and provides the infrastructure and stability to support private business. Instead of smugly handing out old chestnuts about how to be rich, how about you have a little humility about how lucky you are to be where you are?
This response is worth repeating.
Consider your statement that I put in bold...what if a person is unhappy because he can't afford to feed himself or his children. Pretty sure if he subsequently had money, he would be a whole lot happier.
There are tons of programs that feed the children, if the kids are going hungry it is not the fault of the programs. Aid to dependent Children, if you are indeed down and out there is all kinds of programs for you. Now if you take that money meant for the kids buy drugs with it,,
ACCESS is another one the provide tons including some of the best free medical you can get,,
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 19:22:39 GMT -5
"anyone can win the Lottery".
Two things, I don't play the lottery, now that said I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. second,, smart hard work generates money,,
I was making an ANALOGY, oc. it is an analogy that anyone can understand.
the ticket represents OPPORTUNITY. if you don't buy the ticket, you can't win. now, you might say "I couldn't afford the ticket", or you can say what you did: "I don't play the lottery".
that's fine- but you can't win if you don't play.
capice?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 19:25:59 GMT -5
oc- I have a friend who got ratted out for a crime he didn't commit. that put a felony conviction on his record, which GREATLY impacted his ability to get a job and succeed. your posts are basically saying "tough shit" to me (or, more aptly, to him). are you REALLY of the opinion that there is no such thing as bad luck? REALLY?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 19:56:14 GMT -5
"anyone can win the Lottery".
Two things, I don't play the lottery, now that said I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. second,, smart hard work generates money,,
I was making an ANALOGY, oc. it is an analogy that anyone can understand.
the ticket represents OPPORTUNITY. if you don't buy the ticket, you can't win. now, you might say "I couldn't afford the ticket", or you can say what you did: "I don't play the lottery".
that's fine- but you can't win if you don't play.
capice?
It is stacked against you big time, you ain't gonna win.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 20:01:19 GMT -5
oc- I have a friend who got ratted out for a crime he didn't commit. that put a felony conviction on his record, which GREATLY impacted his ability to get a job and succeed. your posts are basically saying "tough shit" to me (or, more aptly, to him). are you REALLY of the opinion that there is no such thing as bad luck? REALLY? My General Contractor is a convicted felon, He is making big money, another one I know seven years in prison
convicted felon,, runs his own blueprint biz,, making tons of money. Right there you throw out a road block I came back with two success stories, If you want to make money you will find a way.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 26, 2019 20:01:51 GMT -5
The odds are high but everyone, every ticket, has the same chance of winning. It only takes one.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 20:04:27 GMT -5
The odds are high but everyone, every ticket, has the same chance of winning. It only takes one. how much do you spend on the lottery Ken?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 26, 2019 20:07:15 GMT -5
I've never bought a lottery ticket. Odds are too high. I like investing my money.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 20:33:41 GMT -5
I've never bought a lottery ticket. Odds are too high. I like investing my money. Annnnd you call yourself a Liberal??
When they find out you don't play the lottery,,, they will pull your Liberal credentials!! I'm gonna tell man,, Blue on the outside red on the inside!!
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 26, 2019 20:37:45 GMT -5
I've never bought a lottery ticket. Odds are too high. I like investing my money. Annnnd you call yourself a Liberal??
When they find out you don't play the lottery,,, they will pull your Liberal credentials!! I never called myself a Liberal. Where do you get calling people liberals or anything else on this board?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 26, 2019 20:38:13 GMT -5
"anyone can win the Lottery".
Two things, I don't play the lottery, now that said I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. second,, smart hard work generates money,,
Like you, I don't play the lottery. And like you, I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. I am a liberal.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 21:42:58 GMT -5
Annnnd you call yourself a Liberal??
When they find out you don't play the lottery,,, they will pull your Liberal credentials!! I never called myself a Liberal. Where do you get calling people liberals or anything else on this board? If you are not one of us,, you are one of them,
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 21:44:31 GMT -5
"anyone can win the Lottery".
Two things, I don't play the lottery, now that said I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. second,, smart hard work generates money,,
Like you, I don't play the lottery. And like you, I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. I am a liberal. Thats a pretty conservative statement
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 26, 2019 22:02:56 GMT -5
Like you, I don't play the lottery. And like you, I have bought a single ticket if it gets to like 500 million. I am a liberal. Thats a pretty conservative statement I one time met some friends for Christmas in Las Vegas. I think I was there for four days. I spent all of $1 gambling in a slot machine. I have better ways of squandering my money.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 22:11:22 GMT -5
I was making an ANALOGY, oc. it is an analogy that anyone can understand.
the ticket represents OPPORTUNITY. if you don't buy the ticket, you can't win. now, you might say "I couldn't afford the ticket", or you can say what you did: "I don't play the lottery".
that's fine- but you can't win if you don't play.
capice?
It is stacked against you big time, you ain't gonna win. see? you do get it!
so, you don't play, right?
you understand more than you think you do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 22:13:51 GMT -5
oc- I have a friend who got ratted out for a crime he didn't commit. that put a felony conviction on his record, which GREATLY impacted his ability to get a job and succeed. your posts are basically saying "tough shit" to me (or, more aptly, to him). are you REALLY of the opinion that there is no such thing as bad luck? REALLY? My General Contractor is a convicted felon, He is making big money, another one I know seven years in prison
convicted felon,, runs his own blueprint biz,, making tons of money. Right there you throw out a road block I came back with two success stories, If you want to make money you will find a way.
you are missing the point. I didn't say my friend didn't succeed. try reading it again, SLOWLY.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 22:15:31 GMT -5
The odds are high but everyone, every ticket, has the same chance of winning. It only takes one. precisely.
but the main point is this: if you don't play, you can't win.
the ticket is an OPPORTUNITY.
again: this is an analogy. one that anyone can get.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 22:24:41 GMT -5
The odds are high but everyone, every ticket, has the same chance of winning. It only takes one. precisely.
but the main point is this: if you don't play, you can't win.
the ticket is an OPPORTUNITY.
again: this is an analogy. one that anyone can get.
Wait a minute,, you wouldn't mean Sorry, I am allergic to that!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 22:26:56 GMT -5
That's strange, after I typed you wouldn't mean . something removed it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 22:28:23 GMT -5
That's strange, after I typed you wouldn't mean . something removed it.
big brother is watching you!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 22:28:41 GMT -5
I spelled it W,W, W, O,O,O, K without the commas it was removes twice.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2019 22:29:30 GMT -5
That is funny, I wonder what that triggered?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2019 22:31:30 GMT -5
I spelled it W,W, W, O,O,O, K without the commas it was removes twice. no, that is not what I meant.
work is different than opportunity.
you are either part of an opportunity rich biome, or part of an opportunity poor one. most of us have never experienced the latter, which is why we are here wasting hours per day on meaningless discussions, while others......
WORK.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 27, 2019 8:47:13 GMT -5
The key is to buy just the winning ticket.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 27, 2019 9:30:11 GMT -5
The key is to buy just the winning ticket. If you happen to find, that secret , mind sharing that secret with the rest of us?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 27, 2019 9:40:36 GMT -5
I say there is opportunity every where you look, It is being argued that there is only opportunity for the rich.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2019 10:19:19 GMT -5
The key is to buy just the winning ticket. actually, the key is being born where you were born, to the parents that raised you, in the community you live, and to at just that right moment, walk into just the right store, and buy the winning ticket.
what most white men don't realize is how much opportunity just "happens" for them. or perhaps a better way of putting it is that they don't realize how much does NOT happen for others.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2019 10:20:53 GMT -5
I say there is opportunity every where you look, It is being argued that there is only opportunity for the rich. no. that is not what is being argued.
what is being argued is that some people live in opportunity rich biomes, and some do not.
you really don't believe that, do you?
you REALLY think that everyone is born with precisely the same opportunity.
how precious.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 27, 2019 10:34:21 GMT -5
I say there is opportunity every where you look, It is being argued that there is only opportunity for the rich. no. that is not what is being argued.
what is being argued is that some people live in opportunity rich biomes, and some do not.
you really don't believe that, do you?
you REALLY think that everyone is born with precisely the same opportunity.
how precious.
you REALLY think that everyone is born with precisely the same opportunity.
No, But then what keeps you from going after it after you are born.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 27, 2019 10:42:09 GMT -5
let's see here, If you are born rich,, you have all the opportunity in the World. If you are born poor , you have extremely limited opportunity. is right? So then why are you wanting all the poor people from all those extremely poor Country's to come here thru asylum,
to take those few opportunities away from the poor that are already here?? Oh that's right ,, the rich are going to pay for it!!! With so few opportunities,, looks like a whole bunch of people on welfare!!!
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