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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2019 14:50:55 GMT -5
Except I will rally against a lot of things but in the end, if the very progressive agenda is passed I will take advantage of everything and anything I can. Call it my own protest. I already paid for my own college and a good chunk of my daughters (that not covered by scholarships or her loans - which she has already paid 90% of them off). If they want to make that free for others (or waive all student loan debt), I will have paid for my own and now taxes will be used to pay for others that do not want to pay for their own. I will be sure to make sure I get what I can out of the system. I'm honestly at the point where I just don't care anymore. if the left wants to turn this into a nation of takers, I'm all in. And I call lots of people "welfare queens", without regard for the color of their skin. If you have kids that you cannot support and you live on welfare, you are a welfare queen. Or are you saying that only black women live on welfare? Because I was raised by a welfare queen...and she was white! So health insurance and education are going to create a nation of takers that will never work again? I'm really not understanding where you are coming from on this. If we get universal healthcare, I won't quit my job because I will still have a mortgage and bills to pay. But I will definitely give more thought to working for myself, and not being tied to a giant corporation any longer. I don't see why that is so bad.
Sure, you will be able to quit working because you have assets that will help you live without a regular job, but most people don't have that. You've obviously worked hard for what you have, and if universal healthcare allows you to finally quit the rat race instead of continuing to keep paying for others, I would think that would make you happy. I'm just confused.
Universal healthcare will give a lot of higher income people the ability to retire early. I certainly don't want to work for another 25 years!
Because what is best for me and what I think is best for our country and are future are two different things. But like I said, I will take full advantage of it and any other government benefits I can get when it comes to fruition. I'm doing a lot of planning right now and changing how I invest. I should be in a good spot in two years to have minimal income but a lot of cash flow (I'm close to where I need to be now, but the health insurance is a big unknown). If I could retire before 50 I will be thrilled!
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 21, 2019 15:41:02 GMT -5
How is access to decent healthcare not what is best for EVERYONE?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2019 15:58:31 GMT -5
So health insurance and education are going to create a nation of takers that will never work again? I'm really not understanding where you are coming from on this. If we get universal healthcare, I won't quit my job because I will still have a mortgage and bills to pay. But I will definitely give more thought to working for myself, and not being tied to a giant corporation any longer. I don't see why that is so bad.
Sure, you will be able to quit working because you have assets that will help you live without a regular job, but most people don't have that. You've obviously worked hard for what you have, and if universal healthcare allows you to finally quit the rat race instead of continuing to keep paying for others, I would think that would make you happy. I'm just confused.
Universal healthcare will give a lot of higher income people the ability to retire early. I certainly don't want to work for another 25 years!
Because what is best for me and what I think is best for our country and are future are two different things. But like I said, I will take full advantage of it and any other government benefits I can get when it comes to fruition. I'm doing a lot of planning right now and changing how I invest. I should be in a good spot in two years to have minimal income but a lot of cash flow (I'm close to where I need to be now, but the health insurance is a big unknown). If I could retire before 50 I will be thrilled! you sure about that?
why would it not be good for our nation to have health security? what is BAD about that?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2019 16:04:43 GMT -5
she also collected medicare, which she also paid into.
my point is this: this term is used almost exclusively to refer to people of color. edit: and, secondarily, Rand railed against the guv-teat for half a century. that makes her UNIQUELY hypocritical taking EVEN A DIME from it.
#racist
Except I will rally against a lot of things but in the end, if the very progressive agenda is passed I will take advantage of everything and anything I can. Call it my own protest. I already paid for my own college and a good chunk of my daughters (that not covered by scholarships or her loans - which she has already paid 90% of them off). If they want to make that free for others (or waive all student loan debt), I will have paid for my own and now taxes will be used to pay for others that do not want to pay for their own. I will be sure to make sure I get what I can out of the system. I'm honestly at the point where I just don't care anymore. if the left wants to turn this into a nation of takers, I'm all in. And I call lots of people "welfare queens", without regard for the color of their skin. If you have kids that you cannot support and you live on welfare, you are a welfare queen. Or are you saying that only black women live on welfare? Because I was raised by a welfare queen...and she was white! so do I.
you know, I am going to drop this point. the only reference I can find to it was the original reference that Reagan made. perhaps I am the racist one. I dunno. if nobody ELSE here thinks that this is a racist dogwhistle (I think it is), then it is me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2019 16:05:59 GMT -5
no, dj talks about the fact that more white people are on welfare than people of color. dj talks about the fact that the blue states contribute more to the system than the red states. dj talks about people who made a career about not sucking on guv-teat sucking from guv-teat. dj talks about certain individuals bilking contractors out of millions through the federal bankruptcy court, but deriding millions who get food assistance because of the fact that their wages have not kept up with COL since 1973.
that is what dj talks about.
you talk about "a few thousand people in flyover states". dj talks about tens of millions of people in all (50) states.
could you at least TRY to be truthful once in a while when talking about me?
I hate when people throw around the "more white people" do whatever....because unless you break it down to % of population, it is a ridiculous thing to say. I see things like "60% of whites do this so they are worse", while ignoring the fact that whites make up close to 80% of the population (or at least they did...that is dropping each year). I dot it because most people have this stereotype of people of color that includes welfare.
that is ALSO grossly unfair, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2019 16:09:22 GMT -5
Except I will rally against a lot of things but in the end, if the very progressive agenda is passed I will take advantage of everything and anything I can. Call it my own protest. I already paid for my own college and a good chunk of my daughters (that not covered by scholarships or her loans - which she has already paid 90% of them off). If they want to make that free for others (or waive all student loan debt), I will have paid for my own and now taxes will be used to pay for others that do not want to pay for their own. I will be sure to make sure I get what I can out of the system. I'm honestly at the point where I just don't care anymore. if the left wants to turn this into a nation of takers, I'm all in. And I call lots of people "welfare queens", without regard for the color of their skin. If you have kids that you cannot support and you live on welfare, you are a welfare queen. Or are you saying that only black women live on welfare? Because I was raised by a welfare queen...and she was white! So health insurance and education are going to create a nation of takers that will never work again? I'm really not understanding where you are coming from on this. If we get universal healthcare, I won't quit my job because I will still have a mortgage and bills to pay. But I will definitely give more thought to working for myself, and not being tied to a giant corporation any longer. I don't see why that is so bad.
Sure, you will be able to quit working because you have assets that will help you live without a regular job, but most people don't have that. You've obviously worked hard for what you have, and if universal healthcare allows you to finally quit the rat race instead of continuing to keep paying for others, I would think that would make you happy. I'm just confused.
Universal healthcare will give a lot of higher income people the ability to retire early. I certainly don't want to work for another 25 years!
yeah, hurley is totally right here.
there is indeed a correlation between public healthcare and productivity, and it is precisely the opposite of what MT is suggesting. the better a nation's healthcare, the MORE productive it's workforce.
you need me to prove it, or can everyone here simply accept it? after all, it makes perfect sense. and it is the reason that companies as small as mine and as big as WalMart want it.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2019 16:41:20 GMT -5
Nobody works in Europe.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2019 18:02:40 GMT -5
What does me saying I will retire have to do with everyone? I have a feeling I’m not the only one in my position but I certainly don’t represent everyone.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2019 18:04:13 GMT -5
I hate when people throw around the "more white people" do whatever....because unless you break it down to % of population, it is a ridiculous thing to say. I see things like "60% of whites do this so they are worse", while ignoring the fact that whites make up close to 80% of the population (or at least they did...that is dropping each year). I dot it because most people have this stereotype of people of color that includes welfare.
that is ALSO grossly unfair, imo.
I grew up in government housing back when there were barely any black people in our area. It was filled with single, white women. I do have a stereotype of welfare queens but race has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2019 18:05:53 GMT -5
So health insurance and education are going to create a nation of takers that will never work again? I'm really not understanding where you are coming from on this. If we get universal healthcare, I won't quit my job because I will still have a mortgage and bills to pay. But I will definitely give more thought to working for myself, and not being tied to a giant corporation any longer. I don't see why that is so bad.
Sure, you will be able to quit working because you have assets that will help you live without a regular job, but most people don't have that. You've obviously worked hard for what you have, and if universal healthcare allows you to finally quit the rat race instead of continuing to keep paying for others, I would think that would make you happy. I'm just confused.
Universal healthcare will give a lot of higher income people the ability to retire early. I certainly don't want to work for another 25 years!
yeah, hurley is totally right here.
there is indeed a correlation between public healthcare and productivity, and it is precisely the opposite of what MT is suggesting. the better a nation's healthcare, the MORE productive it's workforce.
you need me to prove it, or can everyone here simply accept it? after all, it makes perfect sense. and it is the reason that companies as small as mine and as big as WalMart want it.
To be honest, it doesn’t even matter to me anymore. I e designed myself that the country wants a progressive agenda. When that happens, my life gets easier. I’m done arguing over any of it. Now I start my tax planning to get me into a good position to shelter any income I have. I’m good with it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 18:47:35 GMT -5
Now there is an interest concept, Pay for your own education, work hard, work smart, find a decent job, move up thru promotions, or your own business,
manage your money, save your money, live within your means, make investments, that will grow your money. Have faith in your self. Don't whine and cry over the poor life you have, make it better, make it great, You are the only one that is going to do it for you, so you better do a good job, Don't complain I don't have any thing, give me something! Wanting every one else to pay for it give it to you? you will be waiting a long time. Stop complaining about the rich, the only thing between you and rich is hard work, smart work, and managing your money! The problem is you!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2019 19:22:04 GMT -5
Now there is an interest concept, Pay for your own education, work hard, work smart, find a decent job, move up thru promotions, or your own business,
manage your money, save your money, live within your means, make investments, that will grow your money.
that's a great idea if you are rich and can afford all of those things.
but you make it sound easier than it is for most people.
particularly for the bottom 25%
and please, don't tell me that you did it. I don't care.
my dad and mom did it too, with FREE college education.
the situation is not comparable.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 19:32:04 GMT -5
Now there is an interest concept, Pay for your own education, work hard, work smart, find a decent job, move up thru promotions, or your own business,
manage your money, save your money, live within your means, make investments, that will grow your money.
that's a great idea if you are rich and can afford all of those things.
but you make it sound easier than it is for most people.
particularly for the bottom 25%
and please, don't tell me that you did it. I don't care.
my dad and mom did it too, with FREE college education.
the situation is not comparable.
No one here is or was poorer than I was in my youth. I am getting along fine.
Our own Miss Tequila. started out at the bottom,, seems to be doing quite well for her self! We all know the secret, some are unwilling to admit to it and apply it!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 22, 2019 19:38:49 GMT -5
Whodafuck do you think you're kidding with this shit? You were gonna vote Democrat no matter what. You and dj (who actually says he's a Republican ) have been playing this game for years- and it never has worked on me. You're Democrats-- hardcore, dyed in the wool, far left partisans.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2019 19:45:55 GMT -5
that's a great idea if you are rich and can afford all of those things.
but you make it sound easier than it is for most people.
particularly for the bottom 25%
and please, don't tell me that you did it. I don't care.
my dad and mom did it too, with FREE college education.
the situation is not comparable.
No one here is or was poorer than I was in my youth. I am getting along fine.
Our own Miss Tequila. started out at the bottom,, seems to be doing quite well for her self! We all know the secret, some are unwilling to admit to it and apply it!
ibid
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Post by dondub on Aug 22, 2019 20:30:15 GMT -5
Whodafuck do you think you're kidding with this shit? You were gonna vote Democrat no matter what. You and dj (who actually says he's a Republican ) have been playing this game for years- and it never has worked on me. You're Democrats-- hardcore, dyed in the wool, far left partisans. . Says a far right fringe extremist pretending to be a conservative and not a fascist.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2019 20:47:23 GMT -5
Whodafuck do you think you're kidding with this shit? You were gonna vote Democrat no matter what. You and dj ( who actually says he's a Republican ) have been playing this game for years- and it never has worked on me. You're Democrats-- hardcore, dyed in the wool, far left partisans. . Says a far right fringe extremist pretending to be a conservative and not a fascist. I was a Republican in 2016, and I can prove it (I keep all my voting stubs). I have told you that before, but you keep LYING about me rather than taking me up on it.
I am no longer a Republican. I am "unaffiliated". I changed affiliation in late November of 2016. most people here know that, because they pay attention.
I didn't leave the party, the party left me. there is no room for an Eisenhower Republican in the party.
I have not been a Democrat for nearly two decades, and have not voted nationally for a Democrat since 1996.
not that any of this is your Goddamned business. it isn't. but those are the facts. please stop LYING about them, or pretending you know anything about me that is not common knowledge on the board. I have no reason whatsoever to lie about myself here. I have the shield of anonymity. I love that fact. I am 100% truthful here about myself. always. it gives me great pleasure to be completely blunt here. I am very private person "in person" as some of you who have met me can testify.
note to the board: I don't honestly care what party you belong to. your opinions matter to me, and your opinions alone. but your lies are never welcome. ever. stop making yourself look bad in a futile attempt to make ME look bad.
thanks.
edit: if you prefer, I can use red four point for you. but I hope you can read the bold all caps.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 22, 2019 21:21:47 GMT -5
Wonder who the other person he was ranting about is...?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2019 21:35:31 GMT -5
Wonder who the other person he was ranting about is...? beats me.
to be clear, I was never PROUD to be a Republican. I don't think that political parties are something one can be proud of. but the GOP was the only Major party that fielded anti-interventionist candidates. and sure, I can vote Peace and Freedom...but I would rather vote for a more viable candidate, if I can.
at the end of the day, however, I am going to vote my conscience.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2019 15:48:19 GMT -5
Whodafuck do you think you're kidding with this shit? You were gonna vote Democrat no matter what. You and dj (who actually says he's a Republican ) have been playing this game for years- and it never has worked on me. You're Democrats-- hardcore, dyed in the wool, far left partisans. . Says a far right fringe extremist pretending to be a conservative and not a fascist. I'm only a fascist when it comes to driving. I think obtaining a license to drive should be a rigorous and expensive process and the roads should be reserved for productive people with somewhere to be during business hours. I think there should be a true fast lane on limited access highways- and people that don't belong in it should have their cars impounded and license suspended for 30 days for the first offense and revoked permanently for a subsequent offense. I think having an accident is ALWAYS more someone's fault than other's fault and that being involved in an accident AT ALL should be the same 30 day / revoked deal. I'm largely a no-blood / no foul kind of guy, but when there is blood- someone's got to pay. Dearly.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2019 15:50:08 GMT -5
Wonder who the other person he was ranting about is...? beats me.
to be clear, I was never PROUD to be a Republican. I don't think that political parties are something one can be proud of. but the GOP was the only Major party that fielded anti-interventionist candidates. and sure, I can vote Peace and Freedom...but I would rather vote for a more viable candidate, if I can.
at the end of the day, however, I am going to vote my conscience.
Trump is the ONLY anti-interventionist candidate to ever obtain the office that I'm aware of. I was against Trump in the primary if you don't know that-- and the ONLY reason I "voted for" him (as opposed to simply voting AGAINST HRC) is his interventionist policies.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 27, 2019 15:57:53 GMT -5
. Says a far right fringe extremist pretending to be a conservative and not a fascist. I'm only a fascist when it comes to driving. I think obtaining a license to drive should be a rigorous and expensive process and the roads should be reserved for productive people with somewhere to be during business hours. I think there should be a true fast lane on limited access highways- and people that don't belong in it should have their cars impounded and license suspended for 30 days for the first offense and revoked permanently for a subsequent offense. I think having an accident is ALWAYS more someone's fault than other's fault and that being involved in an accident AT ALL should be the same 30 day / revoked deal. I'm largely a no-blood / no foul kind of guy, but when there is blood- someone's got to pay. Dearly.
I have a sneaking suspicion 99% of us would not be considered 'productive people' under your definition.
So you want our tax dollars to fund highways we aren't allowed to drive on because we aren't important enough.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2019 16:25:50 GMT -5
that's a great idea if you are rich and can afford all of those things.
but you make it sound easier than it is for most people.
particularly for the bottom 25%
and please, don't tell me that you did it. I don't care.
my dad and mom did it too, with FREE college education.
the situation is not comparable.
No one here is or was poorer than I was in my youth. I am getting along fine.
Our own Miss Tequila. started out at the bottom,, seems to be doing quite well for her self! We all know the secret, some are unwilling to admit to it and apply it!
The truth is that the situation isn't the same because federal tax-payer backed indentured-servitude student loans have allowed administrators to pick the pockets of students putting them in non-dischargeable debt for life which has resulted in dramatically inflating the price of education. If you had to work for it- if we treated college like it is: something that very few people actually qualify for, and then when you got there, you actually had to work-- or get dropped or kicked out-- it would cost less and you could afford to work and pay for college.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2019 16:26:41 GMT -5
I'm only a fascist when it comes to driving. I think obtaining a license to drive should be a rigorous and expensive process and the roads should be reserved for productive people with somewhere to be during business hours. I think there should be a true fast lane on limited access highways- and people that don't belong in it should have their cars impounded and license suspended for 30 days for the first offense and revoked permanently for a subsequent offense. I think having an accident is ALWAYS more someone's fault than other's fault and that being involved in an accident AT ALL should be the same 30 day / revoked deal. I'm largely a no-blood / no foul kind of guy, but when there is blood- someone's got to pay. Dearly.
I have a sneaking suspicion 99% of us would not be considered 'productive people' under your definition.
So you want our tax dollars to fund highways we aren't allowed to drive on because we aren't important enough.
No, I want MY tax dollars to fund roads that aren't clogged with buses, bike lanes and bimbos that don't pay taxes in the first place.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2019 17:56:32 GMT -5
... buses, bike lanes and bimbos ... Nice alliteration but poor public policy.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 27, 2019 18:29:04 GMT -5
that's a great idea if you are rich and can afford all of those things.
but you make it sound easier than it is for most people.
particularly for the bottom 25%
and please, don't tell me that you did it. I don't care.
my dad and mom did it too, with FREE college education.
the situation is not comparable.
No one here is or was poorer than I was in my youth. I am getting along fine.
Our own Miss Tequila. started out at the bottom,, seems to be doing quite well for her self! We all know the secret, some are unwilling to admit to it and apply it!
Now I may have Miss Tequila (who I do admire very much even though we often disagree) mixed up with another poster, but if I remember correctly she did not start out life at the bottom. She and her mother only moved to government housing after her parents divorced. And her mother never was able , or willing, to do what was needed to get her and daughter (MT) out of that situation. From there MT became very determined to never let this happen to herself or her children.
She has worked very hard at that goal and succeeded. However, I have often wondered whether part of her determination was not caused by the fact that her life had taken such a dramatic turn at a young age. In other words, she knew that there was more out there to be had, because she had lived it.
Again I may have her mixed up with another poster, but I have always read her positions on things through this filter. Make no mistake though: it is one of the reasons I admire her. That, and the fact that I believe her to be a flaming feminist, as I define that word (which has nothing to do with hating men and everything to do with equality)
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Post by dondub on Aug 27, 2019 18:35:55 GMT -5
Except for what may be the KEY feminist issue which is reproductive rights. I believe the words murder and killing are featured.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 27, 2019 22:49:47 GMT -5
. Says a far right fringe extremist pretending to be a conservative and not a fascist. I'm only a fascist when it comes to driving. I think obtaining a license to drive should be a rigorous and expensive process and the roads should be reserved for productive people with somewhere to be during business hours. I think there should be a true fast lane on limited access highways- and people that don't belong in it should have their cars impounded and license suspended for 30 days for the first offense and revoked permanently for a subsequent offense. I think having an accident is ALWAYS more someone's fault than other's fault and that being involved in an accident AT ALL should be the same 30 day / revoked deal. I'm largely a no-blood / no foul kind of guy, but when there is blood- someone's got to pay. Dearly. Do you have any idea how crazy you sound? Ah, no matter....it's to be expected of someone who has Trump as his avatar. Crazy drawn to crazy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2019 16:47:25 GMT -5
interesting article from CNN today. I would post it, but.....since it is from CNN, 40% of our posters will decry it as "fake news".
I liked this tidbit, esp:
While his spokesmen insist he was only kidding, the eyebrow-raising assurances come as Trump has urgently told aides he's serious about finishing the wall -- stressing that it could be key to his reelection.
Customs and Border Protection has replaced existing barriers that were deteriorating along the southern border, but as of August, no new miles have been constructed. Trump has held regular meetings with aides demanding to know why more hasn't been done -- during which he remarked about the need for pardons -- as he's claimed publicly it's already being built. the veneer of this administration is peeling off. there is no way he is going to get the wall built, and he is s(*tscared about it.
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