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Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. The moron that beat the democrat wizards of smart on a level playing field. That moron ?
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There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. The moron that beat the democratic wizards of smart on a level playing field. That moron ? I call those two words to attention with no further comment.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 19, 2019 9:31:21 GMT -5
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians.
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There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians. They aren’t enlightened, morally and intellectually superior self-imagined Democrat/Socialist/Communist, hat and vagina costume wearing pajama boy elitists of indeterminate gender.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2019 9:55:36 GMT -5
There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians. most people think better of themselves than others. there is nothing liberal about it.
the real key is what that inspires in them. does it inspire them to want more for others, or for themselves?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 19, 2019 10:39:15 GMT -5
There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians. I AM better than most voters, for two simple reasons: 1. I inform myself. 2. I think beyond myself. There is nothing liberal about it in the context you use the term "liberal", other than perhaps liberals being more likely to look at big pictures rather than personal issues. And for the record, I am a liberal thinker but a political moderate. If you don't understand the distinction you really have little use commenting.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2019 10:41:28 GMT -5
... the Republican president. ... Wouldn't it be a good thing if Donald J. Trump became the American President.
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... And for the record, I am a liberal thinker but a political moderate. If you don't understand the distinction you really have little use commenting. I am a conservative thinker but a political radical.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 19, 2019 10:45:08 GMT -5
... And for the record, I am a liberal thinker but a political moderate. If you don't understand the distinction you really have little use commenting. I am a conservative thinker but a political radical. No worries. The Anti-Trump crowd is a very big tent. Room for everybody!
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Post by dondub on Aug 19, 2019 10:45:51 GMT -5
... the Republican president. ... Wouldn't it be a good thing if Donald J. Trump became the American President. 2020? No. Now? Not possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 10:52:50 GMT -5
... the Republican president. ... Wouldn't it be a good thing if Donald J. Trump became the American President. He already is. You should familiarize yourself with our governing system.
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The moron that beat the democratic wizards of smart on a level playing field. That moron ? I call those two words to attention with no further comment. You only bolded one word ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2019 10:57:02 GMT -5
I call those two words to attention with no further comment. You only bolded one word ? look again.
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Wouldn't it be a good thing if Donald J. Trump became the American President. He already is. You should familiarize yourself with our governing system. Please note I quoted your referring to him as "... the Republican president."
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There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron. Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians. It's my reason for using the term 'wizards of smart'. Blinded by ego is also a big part of it. Democrats just can't see past the next handout. We're helping people don'tcha know. Put up any map of the voting demographics. The liberal plantation is there for all to see.
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You only bolded one word ? look again. Ok, thought you were only answering my post. We all want different things in regards to the election.
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He already is. You should familiarize yourself with our governing system. Please note I quoted your referring to him as "... the Republican president." It came with a 'rest of the post'. Was it in error, or is he a Republican President ? Here it is, my whole post; For far too long, the left has been used to southern gentlemen conservatives as politicians. Who they would mouth off to with zero respect, and get little response. Now, we have a mouthy New Yorker, with the Democratic party playbook in his back pocket, running his mouth like they do, as the Republican president. Good for him. Puts the term "Republican president" in my intended context.
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I really wonder why the Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks...There not so many of them...his banning of transgender in the military as example..many highly talented, been in service many years serving honorable and filling important positions.....against his own senior generals and Admirals desires regarding keeping these folks on the job......his excuse of higher government costs possible medically....estimated tops possible $8 million per year, if that pales on his frequent vacations to his own resorts just as one of many extra government expenses and now his claim of transgender folks no civil rights basically.... What is with this person? Any help on explanation would be appreciated....If the explainer even wants to throw in a few yooo hooo's, fine with me. --------------------------------------------------------- "Donald Trump's administration has told the Supreme Court that transgender workers are not protected by federal civil rights law and can be fired because of their gender. The US government is arguing workers should only be protected from discrimination based on their “biological sex”, court filings have revealed." --------------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-says-transgender-workers-142227298.htmlMeanwhile, a few miles up north..... “Pride is about saying ‘no’ to homophobia, saying ‘no’ to transphobia and saying ‘no’ to hatred in any form,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters before the parade began. Trudeau continued what has become a yearly tradition of walking in the city’s Pride Parade, marching alongside dignitaries such as Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante and Quebec Premier François Legault. montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/montreals-36th-pride-parade-commemorates-history-of-lgbtq-activismGood question, dezii. Why the hatred towards gays from the American right?
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Please note I quoted your referring to him as "... the Republican president." It came with a 'rest of the post'. Was it in error, or is he a Republican President ? Here it is; For far too long, the left has been used to southern gentlemen conservatives as politicians. Who they would mouth off to with zero respect, and get little response. Now, we have a mouthy New Yorker, with the Democratic party playbook in his back pocket, running his mouth like they do, as the Republican president. Good for him. Puts the term "Republican president" in my intended context. Okay, Let us look at "Democratic" Presidents. Which would "mouth off"? Obama? Clinton? Carter? Johnson? <-he had a bit of a mouth on him, so back in the 1960's there was one I guess.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2019 11:23:02 GMT -5
... Was it in error, or is he a Republican President ? ... I certainly don't think you made an error.
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It came with a 'rest of the post'. Was it in error, or is he a Republican President ? Here it is; For far too long, the left has been used to southern gentlemen conservatives as politicians. Who they would mouth off to with zero respect, and get little response. Now, we have a mouthy New Yorker, with the Democratic party playbook in his back pocket, running his mouth like they do, as the Republican president. Good for him. Puts the term "Republican president" in my intended context. Okay, Let us look at "Democratic" Presidents. Which would "mouth off"?
Obama? Clinton? Carter? Johnson? <-he had a bit of a mouth on him, so back in the 1960's there was one I guess. "The left" as I stated, does not mean just presidents. In the United States after Reconstruction, the phrase "the Left" was used to describe those who supported trade unions, the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. More recently in the United States, left-wing and right-wing have often been used as synonyms for Democratic and Republican,...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics The Bolded was hilarious. I have a niece who has a masters in education, and after years in a classroom, she thought she could talk to everyone like her students. I guess she was thinking she could direct the conversation of adults like a schoolroom. Too funny.
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Your liberal bias of "I am better than most voters especially Republican ones" is showing. Not any different than conservatives talking about all the people on welfare voting straight democrat to save their welfare checks without any idea of what is going on with politicians. It's my reason for using the term 'wizards of smart'. Blinded by ego is also a big part of it. Democrats just can't see past the next handout. We're helping people don'tcha know. Put up any map of the voting demographics. The liberal plantation is there for all to see. Really?
Look at which states get the most food stamps and other federal handouts.
It's the deep red states being propped up by the taxes paid by the 'liberal' coasts.
I live in an extremely red, conservative and evangelical part of the US, where there is a lot of trash talking about 'those' people who live off food stamps, section 8, etc - and yet my little rural, 98% white county has the highest per capita use rate of food stamps, school lunch programs and head start programs.
Liberals may be more interested in looking out for their fellow Americans than conservatives, but conservatives don't hold back when it comes to using state and federal hand outs - they just do it while insisting it's 'owed' to them, and they aren't 'welfare queens.'
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It's my reason for using the term 'wizards of smart'. Blinded by ego is also a big part of it. Democrats just can't see past the next handout. We're helping people don'tcha know. Put up any map of the voting demographics. The liberal plantation is there for all to see. Really?
Look at which states get the most food stamps and other federal handouts.
It's the deep red states being propped up by the taxes paid by the 'liberal' coasts.
I live in an extremely red, conservative and evangelical part of the US, where there is a lot of trash talking about 'those' people who live off food stamps, section 8, etc - and yet my little rural, 98% white county has the highest per capita use rate of food stamps, school lunch programs and head start programs.
Liberals may be more interested in looking out for their fellow Americans than conservatives, but conservatives don't hold back when it comes to using state and federal hand outs - they just do it while insisting it's 'owed' to them, and they aren't 'welfare queens.'
Has to do with the federal tax write offs, come federal income tax time. High property tax blue states can write off close to ten times the amount of property tax/state tax, to reduce their federal taxable income, along with other high tax items. They red states don't consider themselves welfare queens, because they are only getting there own tax dollars back which aren't able to write off on a same value property. The highest per capita, is a functional reality, when compared to a low income area. There are exceptions of course, but we have had this discussion years ago. I think it was in regards to high fuel prices in the cities. A corner gas station in a little rural town will pay 1/20 the property tax of a northern big city station, of similar size. This is cost passed on the fuel purchaser. Of course the meme of 'big oil' ripping people off, plays quite well in the affected high tax area's. Big oil always hovers around a $.04 profit per gallon. RBOB on the national ticker was hovering around $1.65 yesterday. I paid $2.14 at the Casey's this morning. We always hover about $.50 over RBOB with all tax cost applied. Edit; My quoted post wasn't intended for you, just disregard them when you see them. I know you're more intelligent than that.
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So Republicans in red states who are on welfare (GOP terms) are just "getting back their own money". But anyone taking welfare in a Blue state are leeches on the system.
talk about spin.
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So Republicans in red states who are on welfare (GOP terms) are just "getting back their own money". But anyone taking welfare in a Blue state are leeches on the system.
talk about spin.
I think it was Nebraska, that welfare queen hovel of a state, that gets 7 bucks of federal taxes back for every buck they send in.
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Okay, Let us look at "Democratic" Presidents. Which would "mouth off"?
Obama? Clinton? Carter? Johnson? <-he had a bit of a mouth on him, so back in the 1960's there was one I guess. "The left" as I stated, does not mean just presidents. In the United States after Reconstruction, the phrase "the Left" was used to describe those who supported trade unions, the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. More recently in the United States, left-wing and right-wing have often been used as synonyms for Democratic and Republican,...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics ... I have no issue with analysts on talk shows mouthing off. I have no issue with Party officials mouthing off. I have no issue with members of the House of Representatives mouthing off. US Senators I hold to higher standards. I have even higher expectations of a President.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 19, 2019 12:59:36 GMT -5
... I have a niece who has a masters in education, ... ... You should familiarize yourself with our governing system. And what is your education/job experience that explains this little turd comment?
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Post by steff on Aug 19, 2019 13:00:50 GMT -5
So Republicans in red states who are on welfare (GOP terms) are just "getting back their own money". But anyone taking welfare in a Blue state are leeches on the system.
talk about spin.
I think it was Nebraska, that welfare queen hovel of a state, that gets 7 bucks of federal taxes back for every buck they send in.
Going by the standards presented here, I would say that farmers are the new welfare queens. They aren't working & are just waiting for their next handout from the gov't. They are also taking loans from banks that they have no way of paying back at the time they take the loans.
For the record, *I* do NOT believe this to be true.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 19, 2019 13:14:29 GMT -5
I think it was Nebraska, that welfare queen hovel of a state, that gets 7 bucks of federal taxes back for every buck they send in.
Going by the standards presented here, I would say that farmers are the new welfare queens. They aren't working & are just waiting for their next handout from the gov't. They are also taking loans from banks that they have no way of paying back at the time they take the loans.
For the record, *I* do NOT believe this to be true.
I keep hearing on here and TV how happy farmers are that Trump is taking such a hard line on trade. That's not what I read in the local papers. I read regularly about how Nebraska and Iowa are quite pissed off. They don't want hand outside which will likely end at some point. They want to be able to do their business like they have been. Clearly local sources are ran by liberal conspiracy theorists traveling both states to.find the handful of farmers who don't approve of Trump. Still not enough to turn Nebraska blue. They'd vote for Hilter with Satan as VP so long as the have an R behind their name. It could flip Iowa though if enough urban voters also get off their butts this time.
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Post by steff on Aug 19, 2019 13:20:09 GMT -5
Going by the standards presented here, I would say that farmers are the new welfare queens. They aren't working & are just waiting for their next handout from the gov't. They are also taking loans from banks that they have no way of paying back at the time they take the loans.
For the record, *I* do NOT believe this to be true.
I keep hearing on here and TV how happy farmers are that Trump is taking such a hard line on trade. That's not what I read in the local papers. I read regularly about how Nebraska and Iowa are quite pissed off. They don't want hand outside which will likely end at some point. They want to be able to do their business like they have been. Clearly local sources are ran by liberal conspiracy theorists traveling both states to.find the handful of farmers who don't approve of Trump. Still not enough to turn Nebraska blue. They'd vote for Hilter with Satan as VP so long as the have an R behind their name. It could flip Iowa though if enough urban voters also get off their butts this time. I keep reading in local papers about how the Georgia farmers are still waiting on their money from hurricane Michael that went thru. It seems that this administration wouldn't release the funds. Supposedly earlier this year Congress finally passed a bill to get them their relief funds, but they still haven't gotten checks.
And this is being reported in conservative papers in a red state. Again, by the standards being set here, they are just waiting for their gov't handout & aren't helping themselves by pulling up their bootstraps & getting to it. (another disclaimer, *I* do NOT believe this to be true)
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