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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 16:37:25 GMT -5
See this just makes sense to me. If you know that touching pork is against your religion, why would you apply for any job that involves pork? Same for all of these situations. I don't disagree with you. And to be fair, I have only ever encountered any religion related once in my career and it wasn't even one of my employees. Last year at our physical inventory the auditor that came was from their NYC office, several hours away. The auditor told me they had to be out of there in enough time to get home before sunset. There was a major issue and this auditor actually made the other auditor go get a rental car so they could ride home separately. I found it most bizarre that an employee at such a low level (they don't send the experienced people to do audits!) had such requirements. The other auditor told me that he (or she, I'm honestly forgetting which sex!) had to be home because he (or she!) was an orthodox jew...wtf? If I was the audit partner he would be terminated. You have a job to do and you stay until it is done. Now, it worked in my favor because we were left with only one so some issues were glossed over..lol In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 16:39:15 GMT -5
It's sounding more and more like the Middle East. The same people pushing these laws probably crow about "those people" wanting sharia law here. 🙄 And they are probably in the dark about Rabbinical courts (Beth Din) operating in the U.S. too.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 15, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5
So if I'm hired by some evangelical a la Mike Pence, I can't talk to him or another man without another person woman or man related to me around? That would certainly hurt my chances at advancement. There I fixed that. I suspect the evangelicals would also frown on a woman being alone with 2 or more men (especially when none of them IS not her 'chaperone.') Which means you might not be welcome at business meetings or business lunches etc. Are burqas next?
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Post by justme on Aug 15, 2019 16:54:29 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you. And to be fair, I have only ever encountered any religion related once in my career and it wasn't even one of my employees. Last year at our physical inventory the auditor that came was from their NYC office, several hours away. The auditor told me they had to be out of there in enough time to get home before sunset. There was a major issue and this auditor actually made the other auditor go get a rental car so they could ride home separately. I found it most bizarre that an employee at such a low level (they don't send the experienced people to do audits!) had such requirements. The other auditor told me that he (or she, I'm honestly forgetting which sex!) had to be home because he (or she!) was an orthodox jew...wtf? If I was the audit partner he would be terminated. You have a job to do and you stay until it is done. Now, it worked in my favor because we were left with only one so some issues were glossed over..lol In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 15, 2019 17:07:44 GMT -5
In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time. We had nurses' aides who were Muslim, and you could NEVER find them when you needed them. They were always off somewhere, praying.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 17:38:42 GMT -5
In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time. While true they may be on a cruise ship, they still do get around the ship on foot, even to religious services (if the ship offers them).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2019 20:41:07 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you. And to be fair, I have only ever encountered any religion related once in my career and it wasn't even one of my employees. Last year at our physical inventory the auditor that came was from their NYC office, several hours away. The auditor told me they had to be out of there in enough time to get home before sunset. There was a major issue and this auditor actually made the other auditor go get a rental car so they could ride home separately. I found it most bizarre that an employee at such a low level (they don't send the experienced people to do audits!) had such requirements. The other auditor told me that he (or she, I'm honestly forgetting which sex!) had to be home because he (or she!) was an orthodox jew...wtf? If I was the audit partner he would be terminated. You have a job to do and you stay until it is done. Now, it worked in my favor because we were left with only one so some issues were glossed over..lol In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. Except the physical inventory should have been done in plenty of time. There was a significant issue that held us up. We have to plants about 20 minutes apart, which is why two people were sent. If we only had the one plant and he was the only auditor, he would have had to stay or they would have blown their ability to opine on the financial statements. That is beyond crazy to expect that. I sure as hell would be hiring Orthopaedic Jews if they could just bail on a job and get away with it.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 15, 2019 20:52:55 GMT -5
Spellcheck does some amusing things, doesn't it?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2019 20:57:23 GMT -5
Spellcheck does some amusing things, doesn't it? Hahahaha! That and the fact that I’m on my phone and refuse to wear readers...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 21:26:44 GMT -5
In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. Except the physical inventory should have been done in plenty of time. There was a significant issue that held us up. We have to plants about 20 minutes apart, which is why two people were sent. If we only had the one plant and he was the only auditor, he would have had to stay or they would have blown their ability to opine on the financial statements. That is beyond crazy to expect that. I sure as hell would be hiring Orthopaedic Jews if they could just bail on a job and get away with it. I'm not posting on just that one day. Regardless though what did go down that one day, the guy has his religious beliefs and they should be respected, including getting home before sundown. And you sound like a walking lawsuit. Isn't it you who has stated you won't hire pregnant women? Now you won't hire Orthodox Jews too. You're a real piece of work.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2019 21:49:02 GMT -5
Except the physical inventory should have been done in plenty of time. There was a significant issue that held us up. We have to plants about 20 minutes apart, which is why two people were sent. If we only had the one plant and he was the only auditor, he would have had to stay or they would have blown their ability to opine on the financial statements. That is beyond crazy to expect that. I sure as hell would be hiring Orthopaedic Jews if they could just bail on a job and get away with it. I'm not posting on just that one day. Regardless though what did go down that one day, the guy has his religious beliefs and they should be respected, including getting home before sundown. And you sound like a walking lawsuit. Isn't it you who has stated you won't hire pregnant women? Now you won't hire Orthodox Jews too. You're a real piece of work. I will not hire anyone that can’t do their job. If a job requires someone to be on the road after dark in the damn winter on a weekday, then that is what the job requires. He needs to find a job that doesn’t require him to ever be on the road after dark on a Friday. That is not a reasonable accommodation when you have to travel to clients M ETA: so because he wouldn’t stay and do his job, someone else had to stay even later. I would not be happy
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 22:01:23 GMT -5
I'm not posting on just that one day. Regardless though what did go down that one day, the guy has his religious beliefs and they should be respected, including getting home before sundown. And you sound like a walking lawsuit. Isn't it you who has stated you won't hire pregnant women? Now you won't hire Orthodox Jews too. You're a real piece of work. I will not hire anyone that can’t do their job. If a job requires someone to be on the road after dark in the damn winter on a weekday, then that is what the job requires. He needs to find a job that doesn’t require him to ever be on the road after dark on a Friday. That is not a reasonable accommodation when you have to travel to clients M ETA: so because he wouldn’t stay and do his job, someone else had to stay even later. I would not be happy LOL. I assume your employer has lawyers on Retainer.
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Post by steff on Aug 15, 2019 22:07:14 GMT -5
American rights that *I* don't personally like.....well fuck em! yeah that works out really well.
Guess Bush 2.0 was right, it is just a piece of paper that conservatives don't give a rats ass about.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 15, 2019 22:10:37 GMT -5
I'm not posting on just that one day. Regardless though what did go down that one day, the guy has his religious beliefs and they should be respected, including getting home before sundown. And you sound like a walking lawsuit. Isn't it you who has stated you won't hire pregnant women? Now you won't hire Orthodox Jews too. You're a real piece of work. I will not hire anyone that can’t do their job. If a job requires someone to be on the road after dark in the damn winter on a weekday, then that is what the job requires. He needs to find a job that doesn’t require him to ever be on the road after dark on a Friday. That is not a reasonable accommodation when you have to travel to clients M ETA: so because he wouldn’t stay and do his job, someone else had to stay even later. I would not be happy If they do not do the job they are paid for, They are gone! Here in AZ we have a wonderful law, I don't need a reason to fire you. So O.C. says. Sorry, we do not need your services any more, here is your last check, have a good day! Simple as that. Never offer a reason.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 15, 2019 22:13:59 GMT -5
I will not hire anyone that can’t do their job. If a job requires someone to be on the road after dark in the damn winter on a weekday, then that is what the job requires. He needs to find a job that doesn’t require him to ever be on the road after dark on a Friday. That is not a reasonable accommodation when you have to travel to clients M ETA: so because he wouldn’t stay and do his job, someone else had to stay even later. I would not be happy If they do not do the job they are paid for, They are gone! Here in AZ we have a wonderful law, I don't need a reason to fire you. So O.C. says. Sorry, we do not need your services any more, here is your last check, have a good day! Simple as that. Never offer a reason.
Is that how you terminated the employment of the illegal immigrants you hired?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 15, 2019 22:16:33 GMT -5
If they do not do the job they are paid for, They are gone! Here in AZ we have a wonderful law, I don't need a reason to fire you. So O.C. says. Sorry, we do not need your services any more, here is your last check, have a good day! Simple as that. Never offer a reason.
Is that how you terminated the employment of the illegal immigrants you hired? Those I drop of at ICE, keep their paychecks!,
Go out have a really nice dinner in my new expensive car! I do drink to their health though!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 16, 2019 4:46:09 GMT -5
I will not hire anyone that can’t do their job. If a job requires someone to be on the road after dark in the damn winter on a weekday, then that is what the job requires. He needs to find a job that doesn’t require him to ever be on the road after dark on a Friday. That is not a reasonable accommodation when you have to travel to clients M ETA: so because he wouldn’t stay and do his job, someone else had to stay even later. I would not be happy LOL. I assume your employer has lawyers on Retainer. First off, I do not live in an area with hacidic Jews. To my lnowledge I have never met one or worked with on in all my years. So the odds of me being in a position where one applied would be almost impossible. At this company it wouldn’t be an issue. At my prior company it would. We had month end the last Friday of every month where we had to stay until we were done, usually between 8-10. That would be explained in an interview. And I tell everyone I interview that there are no exceptions. I would not hire someone that couldn’t do the job. And that is whether if is a working parent that has childcare issues or someon e that has to be home before dark. That is not a reasonable wxpection to never do month end when I can prove that everyone must do it. I would fake my chances in court on that.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 8:27:55 GMT -5
Yes that amazing fantastic Liberal work world, where there are no actual deadline. everyone can take off anytime they want, government job, Where screw the customer, (Taxpayer) I am going to do what ever I want, Oh you need those plans approve by when,,,,
LOL hey I'm taking my extended vaca then,, When I get back,, it will take some time before I can get up to speed again,, What do you mean delays are costing you lots of money?? Screw you, I am in charge of you life,, if you piss me off I will throw your plans to the back of the bin with your plans,,
I will come up with a reason why you have to start all over,, LOL.. screw with me will you! There you go there is the Liberal version of a job,, oh Dang I forgot on top of that vaca time,, personal growth time, imaginary sick time, ,,,,
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:47:47 GMT -5
Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiringThe Department of Labor proposed a rule Wednesday allowing “religion-exercising organizations” with federal contracts to raise religious exemptions if accused of bias in their hiring practices. The Labor Department said the proposal, which is set to officially be published in the Federal Register on Thursday, is intended to help companies “make employment decisions consistent with their sincerely held religious tenets and beliefs without fear of sanction by the federal government.” The Labor Department's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP), which regulates federal anti-discrimination requirements for businesses and other organizations that work with the government, said the rule applies to both religious companies as well as “closely held” groups acting in accordance with their owners’ religious beliefs and is based on past laws and court rulings detailing protections for certain groups. “Today’s proposed rule helps to ensure the civil rights of religious employers are protected,” acting Labor Secretary Patrick Pizzella said in a statement. “As people of faith with deeply held religious beliefs are making decisions on whether to participate in federal contracting, they deserve clear understanding of their obligations and protections under the law.” The proposal will be open for public comments until Sept. 16. Complete article here: Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiring What the fuck is going on with this country?
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Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiringThe Department of Labor proposed a rule Wednesday allowing “religion-exercising organizations” with federal contracts to raise religious exemptions if accused of bias in their hiring practices. The Labor Department said the proposal, which is set to officially be published in the Federal Register on Thursday, is intended to help companies “make employment decisions consistent with their sincerely held religious tenets and beliefs without fear of sanction by the federal government.” The Labor Department's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP), which regulates federal anti-discrimination requirements for businesses and other organizations that work with the government, said the rule applies to both religious companies as well as “closely held” groups acting in accordance with their owners’ religious beliefs and is based on past laws and court rulings detailing protections for certain groups. “Today’s proposed rule helps to ensure the civil rights of religious employers are protected,” acting Labor Secretary Patrick Pizzella said in a statement. “As people of faith with deeply held religious beliefs are making decisions on whether to participate in federal contracting, they deserve clear understanding of their obligations and protections under the law.” The proposal will be open for public comments until Sept. 16. Complete article here: Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiring What the fuck is going on with this country? Pandering to a minority of American citizens in hope of being reelected.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 10:00:26 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on with this country? Pandering to a minority of American citizens in hope of being reelected. Yea, We learned that from the Democrats.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2019 10:06:13 GMT -5
Pandering to a minority of American citizens in hope of being reelected. Yea, We learned that from the Democrats. Who learned it from Republicans. No comma needed after 'Yea'. A period is needed. Learn something for God's sake.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 16, 2019 10:37:01 GMT -5
Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiringThe Department of Labor proposed a rule Wednesday allowing “religion-exercising organizations” with federal contracts to raise religious exemptions if accused of bias in their hiring practices. The Labor Department said the proposal, which is set to officially be published in the Federal Register on Thursday, is intended to help companies “make employment decisions consistent with their sincerely held religious tenets and beliefs without fear of sanction by the federal government.” The Labor Department's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP), which regulates federal anti-discrimination requirements for businesses and other organizations that work with the government, said the rule applies to both religious companies as well as “closely held” groups acting in accordance with their owners’ religious beliefs and is based on past laws and court rulings detailing protections for certain groups. “Today’s proposed rule helps to ensure the civil rights of religious employers are protected,” acting Labor Secretary Patrick Pizzella said in a statement. “As people of faith with deeply held religious beliefs are making decisions on whether to participate in federal contracting, they deserve clear understanding of their obligations and protections under the law.” The proposal will be open for public comments until Sept. 16. Complete article here: Labor Dept. proposes granting businesses with federal contracts 'religious exemption' in hiring What the fuck is going on with this country? Exactly what people wanted. A return to the good old days when minorities, homosexuals, women and non protestant religions knew their place. It'll be a utopia!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 11:08:48 GMT -5
I absolutely understand where Pence and MT, old boss were coming from. me too, but I consider it utterly cowardly. if a man's reputation is so weak that it can't withstand a scofflaw, he has no business leading.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 16, 2019 11:21:29 GMT -5
In your example terminating the employee, he would probably win in a court of law for wrongful termination and discrimination based upon his religious beliefs. To be found not guilty of wrongful termination, his/her employer would have to prove to the court they offered religious accommodations to the employee which may include getting off early on Fridays before sunset. Orthodox Jews cannot ride in any type of automotive transport after sunset on Fridays. And proven failure to hire someone based upon their religious beliefs will get an employee/employer in court too. The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time. I will admit I am intrigued by this. There are a handful of guys at work that use one of the multiuse rooms to pray - several times a day. Muslim and Orthodox Jew I'm guessing. As far as I can tell - they are only there a handful of minutes. (I've had to 'wait my turn' to use one of the rooms because I needed to make a personal call and I didn't want all my cubemates to have to suffer thru my conversation about my cat's digestive trouble with his vet. ) The Muslim guys carry their prayer rug - rolled up (not unlike my coworkers carrying their yoga mat as they head down to the gym). I was putting the people who need to "pray" or whatever a couple two three times a day in the same category of smokers who need to step outside a handful of times a day. Smoking is less prevalent - but there are still a handful of people who's smoking schedule everyoone knows and works around. Do you see why I'm intrigued by this "paid break" for what I assume is 10 minutes of prayer a couple of times a day? How is this different than the smoke breaks and personal phone call breaks and the guys who head into the bathroom with a newspaper (or their tablet/cell phone) Perhaps I never realized that people didn't get paid to smoke, deal with their kids/spouse/parents or arrange their wedding/buy a house phone calls, and take a 20 minute in the bathroom while at work I just assumed everyone in the office 'worked around' these sometimes planned/routine "they are busy right now" occurrences.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 16, 2019 11:31:03 GMT -5
And then there are the union guys... who can't start work until the guy with the cooler of water bottles shows up. Or for a trade show set up - the occupant of the 'booth' can't plug in the PC or whatever into the outlet in their booth space. An electrician must do it. Ok, I get the safety reasons for these things. How come it's ok to have people earning $$ sitting around WAITING for someone to arrive - different than the whole "paid break' thing... Employers pay for their people to do a whole lot of nothing as it is...it's already worked into the numbers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2019 12:06:32 GMT -5
The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time. I will admit I am intrigued by this. There are a handful of guys at work that use one of the multiuse rooms to pray - several times a day. Muslim and Orthodox Jew I'm guessing. As far as I can tell - they are only there a handful of minutes. (I've had to 'wait my turn' to use one of the rooms because I needed to make a personal call and I didn't want all my cubemates to have to suffer thru my conversation about my cat's digestive trouble with his vet. ) The Muslim guys carry their prayer rug - rolled up (not unlike my coworkers carrying their yoga mat as they head down to the gym). I was putting the people who need to "pray" or whatever a couple two three times a day in the same category of smokers who need to step outside a handful of times a day. Smoking is less prevalent - but there are still a handful of people who's smoking schedule everyoone knows and works around. Do you see why I'm intrigued by this "paid break" for what I assume is 10 minutes of prayer a couple of times a day? How is this different than the smoke breaks and personal phone call breaks and the guys who head into the bathroom with a newspaper (or their tablet/cell phone) Perhaps I never realized that people didn't get paid to smoke, deal with their kids/spouse/parents or arrange their wedding/buy a house phone calls, and take a 20 minute in the bathroom while at work I just assumed everyone in the office 'worked around' these sometimes planned/routine "they are busy right now" occurrences. There is a difference between a religion requiring its followers to pray five times a day (two times usually during a 9-5 work hour schedule) and smokers. There is no religious requirement for smokers to smoke at any time of day (or night). An interesting article: Let us pray: the challenges of accommodating Muslim prayer in the workplace
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 12:08:57 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on with this country? Exactly what people wanted. A return to the good old days when minorities, homosexuals, women and non protestant religions knew their place. It'll be a utopia! Please amend your statement to be "Exactly what SOME people wanted." I would say there is a pretty big majority that prefer a more equal society (or at least don't care one way or another.)
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Post by justme on Aug 16, 2019 12:11:24 GMT -5
The orthodox thing baffles me. Car on sabbath = bad. On a cruise ship during sabbath = ok. I liked a reddit I saw recently of a guy who works at a company with a lot of Muslims that get paid breaks to pray. A non religious started taking the same amount of time to meditate outside and his boss was going to write him up until HR stopped it. Though the company is getting pissy because more non Muslim employees are taking paid mediation time. I will admit I am intrigued by this. There are a handful of guys at work that use one of the multiuse rooms to pray - several times a day. Muslim and Orthodox Jew I'm guessing. As far as I can tell - they are only there a handful of minutes. (I've had to 'wait my turn' to use one of the rooms because I needed to make a personal call and I didn't want all my cubemates to have to suffer thru my conversation about my cat's digestive trouble with his vet. ) The Muslim guys carry their prayer rug - rolled up (not unlike my coworkers carrying their yoga mat as they head down to the gym). I was putting the people who need to "pray" or whatever a couple two three times a day in the same category of smokers who need to step outside a handful of times a day. Smoking is less prevalent - but there are still a handful of people who's smoking schedule everyoone knows and works around. Do you see why I'm intrigued by this "paid break" for what I assume is 10 minutes of prayer a couple of times a day? How is this different than the smoke breaks and personal phone call breaks and the guys who head into the bathroom with a newspaper (or their tablet/cell phone) Perhaps I never realized that people didn't get paid to smoke, deal with their kids/spouse/parents or arrange their wedding/buy a house phone calls, and take a 20 minute in the bathroom while at work I just assumed everyone in the office 'worked around' these sometimes planned/routine "they are busy right now" occurrences. At that specific company the guy said it amounted to 30 minutes on top of their scheduled paid 15 minute breaks NOT instead of. So over a year they got 16 days worth of time paid to pray while he and others were working. It's not like they were not doing all the other personal stuff every other employee sometimes deals with on the job. It's additional, just like smoking breaks were. At my first job (16) I started "smoking" because I was tired of my coworkers getting the same 15 minute break every 4 hours that I got as well as smoke breaks every hour. So I started sitting outside for 5 minutes every hour for my smoke break
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2019 12:20:47 GMT -5
Our employees were not allowed to take smoke breaks. You can smoke on your coffee break and on your lunch hour. If you took an unscheduled smoke break, there was hell to pay.
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