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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2019 14:10:32 GMT -5
An entry alien who is -or becomes- dependent on public welfare assistance, is known as a “public charge”. Aliens will be barred from entering the United States if they are deemed likely to become public charges, or welfare dependent. These immigration rules have been in place for over 100 years, and generally were strictly enforced until the last 25 years. The Trump administration is re-enforcing the rules. Subject: President Donald J. Trump is Ensuring Non-Citizens Do Not Abuse Our Nation's Public Benefitpublicpool.kinja.com/subject-president-donald-j-trump-is-ensuring-non-citi-1837168838
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 12, 2019 14:56:19 GMT -5
Someone needs to do their homework & see who receives public assistance!
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2019 14:59:50 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing how this one plays out. I do think that there is a benefit to society in general to have willing workers fill low paying jobs. Immigrants are frequently good candidates for such jobs. Having them receive minimal assistance doesn't bother me.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 12, 2019 15:05:01 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing how this one plays out. I do think that there is a benefit to society in general to have willing workers fill low paying jobs. Immigrants are frequently good candidates for such jobs. Having them receive minimal assistance doesn't bother me. 1. The law will be enforced, or... 2. Congress will change the law. These are the options, kids. This selective enforcement stuff is bullshit. Can you imagine a "sanctuary state" for guns...or income?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -5
Or the "selective enforcement" will take place within this one law and courts will become involved.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 12, 2019 15:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 12, 2019 16:00:02 GMT -5
Anything in there about massive corporations receiving public assistance?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2019 16:55:02 GMT -5
I want immigrants who will strengthen our work force. I don't have an issue with looking at an immigrant's potential to be fully self-supporting in the long run. Short term assistance doesn't both me.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 12, 2019 16:57:44 GMT -5
Look forward to seeing how this one plays out. I do think that there is a benefit to society in general to have willing workers fill low paying jobs. Immigrants are frequently good candidates for such jobs. Having them receive minimal assistance doesn't bother me. 1. The law will be enforced, or... 2. Congress will change the law. These are the options, kids. This selective enforcement stuff is bullshit. Can you imagine a "sanctuary state" for guns...or income? I think selective enforcement is BS too. I want DT up on charges for hiring illegals!
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 12, 2019 18:23:13 GMT -5
When people talk about immigrants not being on assistance, are they counting the ones that come in here and have an anchor baby that they can’t support? Because in a lot of people’s minds, someone who chooses to have a kid they can’t support is a public charge.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 12, 2019 18:50:14 GMT -5
When people talk about illegals not being on assistance, are they counting the ones that come in here and have an anchor baby but they can’t support without assistance? Because in a lot of people’s minds, someone who chooses to have a kid they can’t support is not self supporting. The term “anchor baby” is a racist smear used to marginalize Americans of the “wrong” color.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 12, 2019 18:59:03 GMT -5
When people talk about illegals not being on assistance, are they counting the ones that come in here and have an anchor baby but they can’t support without assistance? Because in a lot of people’s minds, someone who chooses to have a kid they can’t support is not self supporting. The term “anchor baby” is a racist smear used to marginalize Americans of the “wrong” color. So instead of arguing on the facts, You’re going to charge racism. How utterly predictable. Do you honestly think that no white person has ever immigrated here illegally and had a kid so that they could stay?
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Post by dondub on Aug 12, 2019 19:38:33 GMT -5
Yo, Paul. Let me know when the big employers get fined large and even go to jail. Until then I’ll watch Trump abuse the lowest of the low amongst us.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2019 20:32:52 GMT -5
The term “anchor baby” is a racist smear used to marginalize Americans of the “wrong” color. So instead of arguing on the facts, You’re going to charge racism. How utterly predictable. Do you honestly think that no white person has ever immigrated here illegally and had a kid so that they could stay? having a kid "so you can stay" has never even been PROPOSED as far as I know.
having a kid so THEY can stay has been a fact of law for over a century.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 12, 2019 21:18:10 GMT -5
The term “anchor baby” is a racist smear used to marginalize Americans of the “wrong” color. So instead of arguing on the facts, You’re going to charge racism. How utterly predictable. Do you honestly think that no white person has ever immigrated here illegally and had a kid so that they could stay? I objected to the use of a racist smear. Anyone who uses that term has to be aware if exactly what it is
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 13, 2019 1:45:42 GMT -5
So instead of arguing on the facts, You’re going to charge racism. How utterly predictable. Do you honestly think that no white person has ever immigrated here illegally and had a kid so that they could stay? I objected to the use of a racist smear. Anyone who uses that term has to be aware if exactly what it is People who deliberately have children they have no intention of supporting are leeches. People who sneak into the country illegally and then have a kid so they can blackmail be authorities and letting them stay or scam artist. There is nothing honorable about parents using their children as leverage to blackmail the government into get giving them stuff that’s not theirs. For 50 years liberals have been screaming racism whenever anybody called out this behavior. In the case of our welfare system, it was a very effective way to create the ghetto culture, perpetuate the cycle of poverty, and create a permanent underclass of barely employable people who will always vote Democrat. And flooding the country with uneducated people from Third World countries is an effective way to keep the wages on the lower end down and perpetuate the cycle of poverty. But everybody knows that plenty of white people use their children as pawns too. And only a fool would think a huge number of people would have a different opinion on illegal immigration if the people south of the border were white.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 5:51:04 GMT -5
I objected to the use of a racist smear. Anyone who uses that term has to be aware if exactly what it is People who deliberately have children they have no intention of supporting are leeches. People who sneak into the country illegally and then have a kid so they can blackmail be authorities and letting them stay or scam artist. There is nothing honorable about parents using their children as leverage to blackmail the government into get giving them stuff that’s not theirs. For 50 years liberals have been screaming racism whenever anybody called out this behavior. In the case of our welfare system, it was a very effective way to create the ghetto culture, perpetuate the cycle of poverty, and create a permanent underclass of barely employable people who will always vote Democrat. And flooding the country with uneducated people from Third World countries is an effective way to keep the wages on the lower end down and perpetuate the cycle of poverty. But everybody knows that plenty of white people use their children as pawns too. And only a fool would think a huge number of people would have a different opinion on illegal immigration if the people south of the border were white. there are plenty of citizens (of all colors, no less) born here who have children they have no intention of supporting, in order to continue receiving handouts. your continued insistence on using a vile term like that, especially after being called out on it, says a lot more about you than those calling you out on it. bless your heart.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2019 7:04:11 GMT -5
So how much money is this administration having to pay out to farmers to make up for how much money they're losing due to Trump's trade wars? How many food stamps would that pay for? Shouldn't farmers stop being lazy and start earning enough to support themselves, too, rather than relying on the public teat?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 9:19:47 GMT -5
The Washington Post is the Lefts equivalent of Pauls Conservative Tree House!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 9:22:25 GMT -5
When people talk about illegals not being on assistance, are they counting the ones that come in here and have an anchor baby but they can’t support without assistance? Because in a lot of people’s minds, someone who chooses to have a kid they can’t support is not self supporting. The term “anchor baby” is a racist smear used to marginalize Americans of the “wrong” color. Wooooo Hoooooo spreading the hate,,, that is the only chance you have of taking over the White House,,
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Post by dondub on Aug 13, 2019 9:27:51 GMT -5
Is that your expert opinion?
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Post by bean29 on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:02 GMT -5
When people talk about immigrants not being on assistance, are they counting the ones that come in here and have an anchor baby that they can’t support? Because in a lot of people’s minds, someone who chooses to have a kid they can’t support is a public charge. All kids are public charges. Families that have 6 kids are probably using more taxpayer $$ than they pay in as far as the education their kids are receiving. IMHO, the conservative Christians are the worst. They have a boatload of kids, they get tax credits for the Quiverful of kids and then they pay a pittance in property taxes compared to what it costs to educate their kids. Cry me a river.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 11:55:32 GMT -5
I objected to the use of a racist smear. Anyone who uses that term has to be aware if exactly what it is People who deliberately have children they have no intention of supporting are leeches. People who sneak into the country illegally and then have a kid so they can blackmail be authorities and letting them stay or scam artist. There is nothing honorable about parents using their children as leverage to blackmail the government into get giving them stuff that’s not theirs. for the VAST MAJORITY of immigrants, I think you are way off the mark, here, frm.
I find this post so full of hatred that I don't think I can convince you or others that share your view that you are wrong, but please let me know if you are open to that discussion. you will no doubt say that I am deluded by liberal propaganda. so, this conversation is probably going nowhere.
so, here is my message to you: I hope that your future is not poisoned by animus for others. I hope that you can find happiness and peace in your life.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 12:01:29 GMT -5
The Washington Post is the Lefts equivalent of Pauls Conservative Tree House! no, not really. there is a difference between journalism and opinion. and it is very upsetting that people don't recognize that distinction.
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Post by busymom on Aug 13, 2019 12:03:43 GMT -5
If we "keep out" large groups of immigrants, who is going to do the tasks that white folks don't want their own kids doing? <We need a sarcasm emoticon.> There aren't many white folks around here doing highway construction jobs (they're outnumbered by the non-whites). Same with the folks that do landscape work around here. I guess we'll have to learn to drive around all of those nasty potholes, and learn to cut our own lawns in the heat... I welcome anyone who comes to our country & is willing to work, whatever country they come from. (No college degree required.)
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 12:09:30 GMT -5
If we "keep out" large groups of immigrants, who is going to do the tasks that white folks don't want their own kids doing? <We need a sarcasm emoticon.> There aren't many white folks around here doing highway construction jobs (they're outnumbered by the non-whites). Same with the folks that do landscape work around here. I guess we'll have to learn to drive around all of those nasty potholes, and learn to cut our own lawns in the heat... I welcome anyone who comes to our country & is willing to work, whatever country they come from. (No college degree required.) the US has declining birth rates. if we eschew immigration, it is a recipe for economic stagnation.
candidly, I am all for economic stagnation. I think it is necessary for a sustainable future. but most capitalists are NOT for it.
at all.
logically, we need immigrants to fuel growth. but outside of the ivory tower, that idea is never discussed.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 13, 2019 13:10:03 GMT -5
And it seems there is a labor shortage at present...didn't read anything but a headline so don't know what areas.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2019 13:21:34 GMT -5
If we "keep out" large groups of immigrants, who is going to do the tasks that white folks don't want their own kids doing? <We need a sarcasm emoticon.> There aren't many white folks around here doing highway construction jobs (they're outnumbered by the non-whites). Same with the folks that do landscape work around here. I guess we'll have to learn to drive around all of those nasty potholes, and learn to cut our own lawns in the heat... I welcome anyone who comes to our country & is willing to work, whatever country they come from. (No college degree required.) the US has declining birth rates. if we eschew immigration, it is a recipe for economic stagnation.
candidly, I am all for economic stagnation. I think it is necessary for a sustainable future. but most capitalists are NOT for it.
at all.
logically, we need immigrants to fuel growth. but outside of the ivory tower, that idea is never discussed.
I heard a talking head say this AM that it used to be, the GOP was pro-immigration because they needed a good pool of low wage blue collar workers, and the Dems were pro-immigration because they thought recent immigrants were more likely to vote democratic.
Now, under Trump, the GOP has decided they only want immigrants from non-shit hole countries, and they're suddenly all about kicking immigrants out, unless they're wealthy.
Kind of anti-businesses. Who will do the low pay, physically hard jobs? Companies will have to fork over more money to hire Americans willing to do that kind of work. Unless you're like Trump and use a special visa program to import slave labor for your peak season.
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